Choosing what to choose

By Wing-01
Jul 14, 2008
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  1. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    The P5E Deluxe doesn't support DDR3
    The P5E3 Premium/WiFi-AP @n Does Support DDR3 (But my research hasnt found anything good compare to the others)
    Striker II Extreme Has an NVIDIA Chipset. I am using ATI with a X48 Chipset
  2. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Since you have such a high budget, why go ATI when you can get the fastest card available now, the GTX 280? That is, unless you're waiting for the HD 4870 X2, which will likely outperform the GTX 280.
  3. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    I am waiting for the ATI HD 4870 X2.

    Sorry I didnt make that clear I apologize!
  4. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    That fan seems to be of very dubious quality from the reviews. And there's no way it can push 90CFM of air at 18dBA. Maybe Helium, but definitely not air. It is also way too expensive for a case fan and SilenX has a testing methodology where they test the noise level of the fan in an anechoic chamber at a distance of 1m from each of the three axes and then average the three values, whereas most manufacturers take the loudness at one point 1m perpendicular to the fan axis, which makes more sense since you'd find a fan to be louder when your ear is right next to it, rather than in front of it. The average thus results in an impossibly low dBA rating. I'd expect this fan to be around 34dBA or so instead of the advertised 18dBA.

    @Wing-01, no need to apologize mate. It's a great decision and will get you the best performing card out there.
  5. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Ok here is the spec updated!

    1200 Watt Multi-GPU ATX 12V 2.2

    Double ATI Radeon HD 4870

    Intel Yorkfield Core 2 Extreme QX9970 3.2GHZ

    Corsair 4 GB XMS3 DHX DDR3

    Creatice Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional

    P5E3 Premium/WiFi-AP @n

    Just so you guys know what I am having at the momment Again please comment!
  6. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    That 1200W PSU won't do you much good unless it's a good brand. PC Power & Cooling, FSP, Enermax and Antec are good choices in that range.
  7. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Right I havent even touched Power yet just know that the 1200 PSU would be good for the system.
    Will Do Research on the above thank you!
    Will come up with more questions like always LOL
  8. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Looking at the power supplies I stumbled on this case ANTEC Nine Hundred. I know I went away from what I was researching for but this kind of caught my eye. What do you guys think of it.
    We were talking about cooling the system I cant see getting better than that really but I am not the expert I know you guys can point me to the right direction :)
  9. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 12,113   +23

  10. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    I relised that I shoul stop looking at power supplies why you may ask.
    we becasue...
    1 - I still dont know how much everything will use and I havent seen any cooling systems as of yet
    2 - So many different companies to look at this will take me a very long time
    3 - depending on all the things I shall then choose a power supply

    I do believe with all that the computer is running I will need a 1200W or more. but I will see

    So before I look at Cases or anything else ill be looking at Cooling. liquid cooling etc...
    then at Power Supplies and finally Cases.

    Just trying to take the safer root I just got caried away! LOL I am sure you can imagen!
  11. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Go for PC Power & Cooling supplies for the best on the market. Their Turbo-Cool 1200W will be more than enough for that system IMO.
    As for a case, I prefer the Cooler Master Stacker series for its superior cooling, although the looks are admittedly not as good as it's slightly lesser brother (in terms of cooling IMO), the Thermaltake Armor, which comes with three 120mm, one 90mm and one gigantic 250mm fan on the side, compared to the nine 120mm fan slots in the Stacker.
     
  12. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    I can see what you mean but why that particulat Power supply from all the others?
    their are so many! why choose this one?
  13. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 12,113   +23

    because as Rage stated: They are the best on the market.
  14. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] I'm a TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 4,317   +116

    Yeah i know the 90cfm and 18 decibles is bs but i doubt its that far from the actual performance.

    Anyway...

    The antec 900 is a great case but i think you might want a full tower, like the antec 1200.
    Why waste ≈$500 USD on a QX9770 (the lga755 or whatever version) when you could buy a QX9650 with the same performance (assuming you are going to Oc to 4.0ghz anyway)??

    You know, i remeber a review done on triple-gtx 280's and it seams that psu was NOT enough to stably power the system. Won't a sinlge 4870X2 take a good amout more power thatn the gtx280?
  15. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Check this link out. They got a 26dBA reading compared to SilenX's specification of 11dBA. That's a huge difference. The beef that SPCR has with SilenX is also explained quite well, including an attempt by one of SilenX's reps to shill his product on the SPCR forums, which doesn't help the reputation of the company.
  16. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Wxcellent thank you Will take soem time until I put something up hear again doing more research etc...
  17. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Right I am looking at the fallowing Chassis:

    Cool Master.
    COSMOS-S
    COSMOS 1000

    (Cooling wise not good in my opinion. Looks in the other hand wow, but not looking for looks, looking for a good Case. Also all is TOOL FREE because of that I am afraid of vibrations) I can honestly say NO to the cases they have. Don’t like them that’s my personal choice, I am sure they are very good but not my cup of tea lets say LOL.

    Antec.
    ANTEC 1200
    (Great I love it Looks and performs well. And not TOOL FREE which I think is good for vibrations. Also no Firewire cable at the front but I don’t think that will bother me ill put an extension from the back)

    Thermaltake.
    ARMOR+ (Liquid Cooling System)
    (Now this case is crazy I like it and very tempting. But very scary TOOL FREE design, again I am afraid of vibrations)

    I also checked out other chassis but nothing came as good as these ones really, you guys posted their names and full stop they are good brand cases.

    Now there is a war between the ANTEC 1200 Vs Themaltake ARMOR+. I am moving towards the Antec as it is not Tool Free, this I like.
    Now the ARMOR+ has an easy well designed interior compare to the 1200 but both are very, very good so I am finding it hard to choose between the two. Meaning I am also moving towards ARMOR+.
    Now the Antec, I like the looks but like I said above I am not looking for looks I am looking for something good.
    Again like I said before both are good in my books I can see why ARMOR+ is the better case but the Vibrations is what I am worried about so my heart is in half!
    Oh I am going to use both Cooling systems!


    So I was wondering about your personal choice and why that particular choice.
  18. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Can you explain how exactly a tool-free design causes vibrations? Even if it does, you can purchase silicone grommets for your screws and fan mounts so that no vibrations are transmitted to the casing by the fan\screw or vice versa.
    IMO, vibrations aren't really a big concern unless you're a founding member of the SPCR team. ;)
     
  19. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Right I did not know the silicone grommets I read in many reviews etc that they Vibrate after a wile thats all
  20. Route44

    Route44 TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 12,113   +23

    I have tool free Thermaltake cases and none of those have experienced "vibrations."
  21. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    That is excellent news, thank you for that. It is weird many reviews said both things but I know I can trust you guys Ill go with you. Ill still going to buy does silicone grommets anyway better to have them than not to have them I say.

    After you told me this my choice is going to be easy!
    But before I choose I am going to recheck all of the system again piece by piece. Will tell you final specs to put it by you and to get your final word on it.

    Again you have my special thanks for your help here I can honestly say I couldn’t of done it without you. I hope I wasn’t to much of a noob!

    Thank you
  22. Wing-01

    Wing-01 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Ok I have been looking at Power Supplies. I have looked at many different kind of power supplies, for example Thoughpower 1500W (W0218), Coolmax CUQ-1350B, NZXT etc…
    But again because of your wisdom I have ended up in PC POWER & COOLING. Again you were right.

    Again like always, more questions and I am between two!
    Turbo-Cool 1200
    Turbo-Cool 1200 ESA
    Seventeam 1200W Modular

    Again I have done Research on both of them, what I like about the 1200 only is it can pick to 1.4KW but it doesn’t have ESA
    The 1200 ESA I like because it has ESA but only picks to about 1.3KW.

    The reason I am looking at such High end Powerful Power Supplies is because of my System Spec, I haven’t done the maths yet of how much the System is going to use, but I am sure is going to be a monster.(8 LED Fans, Water Cooling, etc…) that’s why I even looked at the 1500W above.

    Do you think I will need such powerful supply? I think I do. But I don’t want to over do it, also is it not safer to have a more powerful Power Supply even if it’s not using its full potential?

    My Next question would be is the ESA system for the power supply essential? I think is good to look how all is running really but from the reviews it looks like just an ad on.
    Also what is 20A circuit or a 20A cord? From what I have read that’s what I need to get its full potential.

    Again I trust your comments and wisdom.
  23. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Yes, you'd need such a powerful PSU, since the twin 4870 X2s and the QX9770, along with the large number of fans and the high-capacity HDD(s) as well as the watercooling system will draw a lot of power. I'd go with the Turbo-Cool PSU. The ESA unit will allow you to monitor the voltage on all the rails and the current on them, as well as the PSU's temperature, in real time. That's the only feature between it and the non-ESA unit. It's upto you what to get.
  24. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] I'm a TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 4,317   +116

    Well lets think, the 4870 will take ≈ 250W so the graphics card's themselfs will take almost 1000w alone. 1200 should still be enough though...
  25. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    That 1200W unit can probably supply about 1400W maximum, so it should be more than enough for that PC.
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