Choosing what to choose

Wxcellent thank you Will take soem time until I put something up hear again doing more research etc...

Right I am looking at the fallowing Chassis:

Cool Master.
COSMOS-S
COSMOS 1000
(Cooling wise not good in my opinion. Looks in the other hand wow, but not looking for looks, looking for a good Case. Also all is TOOL FREE because of that I am afraid of vibrations) I can honestly say NO to the cases they have. Don’t like them that’s my personal choice, I am sure they are very good but not my cup of tea lets say LOL.

Antec.
ANTEC 1200
(Great I love it Looks and performs well. And not TOOL FREE which I think is good for vibrations. Also no Firewire cable at the front but I don’t think that will bother me ill put an extension from the back)

Thermaltake.
ARMOR+ (Liquid Cooling System)
(Now this case is crazy I like it and very tempting. But very scary TOOL FREE design, again I am afraid of vibrations)

I also checked out other chassis but nothing came as good as these ones really, you guys posted their names and full stop they are good brand cases.

Now there is a war between the ANTEC 1200 Vs Themaltake ARMOR+. I am moving towards the Antec as it is not Tool Free, this I like.
Now the ARMOR+ has an easy well designed interior compare to the 1200 but both are very, very good so I am finding it hard to choose between the two. Meaning I am also moving towards ARMOR+.
Now the Antec, I like the looks but like I said above I am not looking for looks I am looking for something good.
Again like I said before both are good in my books I can see why ARMOR+ is the better case but the Vibrations is what I am worried about so my heart is in half!
Oh I am going to use both Cooling systems!

So I was wondering about your personal choice and why that particular choice.

Can you explain how exactly a tool-free design causes vibrations? Even if it does, you can purchase silicone grommets for your screws and fan mounts so that no vibrations are transmitted to the casing by the fan\screw or vice versa.
IMO, vibrations aren't really a big concern unless you're a founding member of the SPCR team.

Right I did not know the silicone grommets I read in many reviews etc that they Vibrate after a wile thats all

I have tool free Thermaltake cases and none of those have experienced "vibrations."

That is excellent news, thank you for that. It is weird many reviews said both things but I know I can trust you guys Ill go with you. Ill still going to buy does silicone grommets anyway better to have them than not to have them I say.

After you told me this my choice is going to be easy!
But before I choose I am going to recheck all of the system again piece by piece. Will tell you final specs to put it by you and to get your final word on it.

Again you have my special thanks for your help here I can honestly say I couldn’t of done it without you. I hope I wasn’t to much of a noob!

Thank you

Ok I have been looking at Power Supplies. I have looked at many different kind of power supplies, for example Thoughpower 1500W (W0218), Coolmax CUQ-1350B, NZXT etc…
But again because of your wisdom I have ended up in PC POWER & COOLING. Again you were right.

Again like always, more questions and I am between two!
Turbo-Cool 1200
Turbo-Cool 1200 ESA
Seventeam 1200W Modular
Again I have done Research on both of them, what I like about the 1200 only is it can pick to 1.4KW but it doesn’t have ESA
The 1200 ESA I like because it has ESA but only picks to about 1.3KW.

The reason I am looking at such High end Powerful Power Supplies is because of my System Spec, I haven’t done the maths yet of how much the System is going to use, but I am sure is going to be a monster.(8 LED Fans, Water Cooling, etc…) that’s why I even looked at the 1500W above.

Do you think I will need such powerful supply? I think I do. But I don’t want to over do it, also is it not safer to have a more powerful Power Supply even if it’s not using its full potential?

My Next question would be is the ESA system for the power supply essential? I think is good to look how all is running really but from the reviews it looks like just an ad on.
Also what is 20A circuit or a 20A cord? From what I have read that’s what I need to get its full potential.

Again I trust your comments and wisdom.

Yes, you'd need such a powerful PSU, since the twin 4870 X2s and the QX9770, along with the large number of fans and the high-capacity HDD(s) as well as the watercooling system will draw a lot of power. I'd go with the Turbo-Cool PSU. The ESA unit will allow you to monitor the voltage on all the rails and the current on them, as well as the PSU's temperature, in real time. That's the only feature between it and the non-ESA unit. It's upto you what to get.

Well lets think, the 4870 will take ≈ 250W so the graphics card's themselfs will take almost 1000w alone. 1200 should still be enough though...

That 1200W unit can probably supply about 1400W maximum, so it should be more than enough for that PC.

Right Gentlemn!
Here we go the system Spec up to scratch…

Turbo-Cool 1200. 1200 Watt ATX (Still not sure on ESA)
http://www.pcpower.com/power-supply/turbo-cool-1200.html

ATI Radeon HD 4870 x2

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 3.2GHZ 12MB 1600MHZ FSB Yorkfield 775
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2xe/specifications.htm

Corsair Dominator DDR3 Memory
http://www.corsair.com/products/dominator.aspx

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Proffesional
http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=17791

ASUS PSE3 Premium Wifi: AP @N X48 Chipset Sockett 775
http://uk.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=640&l4=0&model=2069&modelmenu=1

Thermaltake Armor+ VH600LBWS Black with Embedded Liquid Cooling (Still nos sure on ESA)
- Three 5.25 Drive Bay design:
liquid cooling system built inside
- Quick Disconnect Connector:
Automatic non-spill valves, robust material one hand operation
- Performance Motorsports radiator:
(A) Dimension of radiator : H 153 x W 120 x T 28 mm
(B) Adjustable 120mm blue LED silent fan (1600~2400RPM)
- P500 liquid pump :
Powerful DC 12V liquid pump (500L/hr)
- All copper water block:
For Intel P4 775/478 and AMD AM2/K8
- Flow TX:
Flow meter for liquid cooling system
- Reservoir:
Contains 320 c.c. of liquid capacity
- Water tube:
Transparent UV tube (3/8") , industrial-grade rubber tube
(3/8", pre-assembled)
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/armorPlus/vh600lbws.asp


Fan Cooling System.
- Front: 25mm Blue LED fan
- Rear: 25mm Turbo Fan
- Side: 20mm Blue LED Fan
- Bottom: TWO 140mm Fan
- VGA: 25mm Fan

My only problem is I don’t know if the Thermaltake Liquid Cooling (BigWater 780e http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Liguid/DIY/cl-w0169/spec.html) is compatible with my Intel CPU!

Also I want my entire system super cool. So I want as many components as possible to be Liquid Cooled.
My question would be can I do that?
What is good and bad about it?
Will I need more than one cooler?
And
Do I need an extra pump or will the BigWater 780e that comes with the case be ok?

What I mean is, is it possible to Water Cool the CPU, Motherboard, Two/Three ATI Graphic Cards and Hard Drives?
Is that a good or bad idea what is the pros and cons of doing that?


Sorry guys for the late reply today.
Just been rechecking what I have chosen again, to make sure.
Again and again thank you very much for the help, I know I keep saying it but you have been great help, especially when I am so annoying. Thank you.

water cool your hdds? LOL.


So i was talking to someone from ati and the single direct core to core connection on the 4870 is being used in the x2 and will boost CF by "alot more than 20%" and it was also said that it would only be 300-400 $$!! It is however, overheating AND the fan is already loud. i doubt it's going to retail at 300-400 $$, i think it will come at $499 then drop down to $400.

Maybe...Also i heard something about bloomsfield coming out.............???



What speed of DDR3 memory? Corsair dominator is expensive and isnt worth it AT ALL.
I think you should buy this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227310



Also you just posted the links to the manufacture's sites????????


O.o 25mm and 20 mm fans are tiny......................I think you might want to use a fan controller like this....i mentined it before somewere:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998038

There are 4 independent temperature displays, 4 independent control knobs, and 4 + 2 extra temperature probes.

I am looking at the
Corsair Dominator 4GB Kit at 9-9-9-24
I checked reviews and they seem to be the best manufacturer
I also checked the
OCZ DDR3 PC3-16000 9-9-928
Again the reviews are good.

But why OCZ and not Corsair? Why is Corsair not worth it?

You see that’s were I need you people that’s where my knowledge is limited on this matters.

I Chose Corsair because the majority uses them, this made me to believe is a safer choice, but again like I said above knowledge limited I am!

I am looking at the independent Control but still doing some research on it. Sorry I should have said that before.

Becuase it costs twice as much and its not much better either. Corsairs is good but their "Dominator" seires is overpriced. Most people buy the XMS2 seires.

Ok I shall research more!
What I do like about the Dominator is the AirFlow you can install to keep your memory cooler, I like that design better than the PCZ XTC Cooler just for the reason of its design.
The Screws are on the sides’ wile the AirFlow is on the top which maximises space.

Also I am looking at cooling the graphic Cards and memory with liquid and Fans plus other devises, any thoughts on that?

LOL i read some reviews and i heard the fan was week...but a fan is a fan, it will still help. Besides, you can buy it separetly for $20.

Hi guys,
Just a little quick update here!
Sorry if I haven’t replied for a wile. I am over checking the System Specifications again doing a few last choices etc…

One important thing you must know is I have decided ‘not’ to use Liquid Cooling. You ask your selves why? Well because I just came back from a friend’s house. He had his Liquid Cooling running fine, his been having this thing running for over two years now, beautiful thing I have to say. UNTIL! Their was a little accident, a leakage. I have to say what happened next was not nice and it will probably scar me for life. (By the way his Computer was a Voodoo, just to tell you for future reference, just encase)

What I am looking at is an After Cooler, especially the ‘ioss RD7’ also I am looking at a BIOS SAVIOR as well. I just began my research on those and was wondering if you knew anything about it and again if you could point me to the right direction.

I will probably finalize everything very soon and you will probably see the 2nd to last System Spec!

Hope to hear from you soon! (I always do thank you)

The RD7 looks okay, but the BIOS Savior is a waste IMO, especially since most companies offer to ship the BIOS chip to you for a nominal fee.

Ah ok. so BIOS goodbye!
so you like the RD7 any other type of After Cooler you would recomend?

I just found out what an after cooler is...lol. Thats kinda funny to use a cooler AFTER shutdown as the highest temps would be before shutdown and unless the shutdown was a crash due to temperatures, im not sure how usefull it would be. Oh well i don't really know what im talking about here.