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Choosing what to choose

By Wing-01
Jul 14, 2008
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  1. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Right Gentlemn!
    Here we go the system Spec up to scratch…


    Turbo-Cool 1200. 1200 Watt ATX (Still not sure on ESA)
    http://www.pcpower.com/power-supply/turbo-cool-1200.html

    ATI Radeon HD 4870 x2

    Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 3.2GHZ 12MB 1600MHZ FSB Yorkfield 775
    http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2xe/specifications.htm

    Corsair Dominator DDR3 Memory
    http://www.corsair.com/products/dominator.aspx

    Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Proffesional
    http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=17791

    ASUS PSE3 Premium Wifi: AP @N X48 Chipset Sockett 775
    http://uk.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=640&l4=0&model=2069&modelmenu=1

    Thermaltake Armor+ VH600LBWS Black with Embedded Liquid Cooling (Still nos sure on ESA)
    - Three 5.25 Drive Bay design:
    liquid cooling system built inside
    - Quick Disconnect Connector:
    Automatic non-spill valves, robust material one hand operation
    - Performance Motorsports radiator:
    (A) Dimension of radiator : H 153 x W 120 x T 28 mm
    (B) Adjustable 120mm blue LED silent fan (1600~2400RPM)
    - P500 liquid pump :
    Powerful DC 12V liquid pump (500L/hr)
    - All copper water block:
    For Intel P4 775/478 and AMD AM2/K8
    - Flow TX:
    Flow meter for liquid cooling system
    - Reservoir:
    Contains 320 c.c. of liquid capacity
    - Water tube:
    Transparent UV tube (3/8") , industrial-grade rubber tube
    (3/8", pre-assembled)
    http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/armorPlus/vh600lbws.asp


    Fan Cooling System.

    - Front: 25mm Blue LED fan
    - Rear: 25mm Turbo Fan
    - Side: 20mm Blue LED Fan
    - Bottom: TWO 140mm Fan
    - VGA: 25mm Fan

    My only problem is I don’t know if the Thermaltake Liquid Cooling (BigWater 780e http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Liguid/DIY/cl-w0169/spec.html) is compatible with my Intel CPU!

    Also I want my entire system super cool. So I want as many components as possible to be Liquid Cooled.
    My question would be can I do that?
    What is good and bad about it?
    Will I need more than one cooler?
    And
    Do I need an extra pump or will the BigWater 780e that comes with the case be ok?

    What I mean is, is it possible to Water Cool the CPU, Motherboard, Two/Three ATI Graphic Cards and Hard Drives?
    Is that a good or bad idea what is the pros and cons of doing that?


    Sorry guys for the late reply today.
    Just been rechecking what I have chosen again, to make sure.
    Again and again thank you very much for the help, I know I keep saying it but you have been great help, especially when I am so annoying. Thank you.
  2. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

    water cool your hdds? LOL.


    So i was talking to someone from ati and the single direct core to core connection on the 4870 is being used in the x2 and will boost CF by "alot more than 20%" and it was also said that it would only be 300-400 $$!! It is however, overheating AND the fan is already loud. i doubt it's going to retail at 300-400 $$, i think it will come at $499 then drop down to $400.

    Maybe...Also i heard something about bloomsfield coming out.............???



    What speed of DDR3 memory? Corsair dominator is expensive and isnt worth it AT ALL.
    I think you should buy this one:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227310



    Also you just posted the links to the manufacture's sites????????


    O.o 25mm and 20 mm fans are tiny......................I think you might want to use a fan controller like this....i mentined it before somewere:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998038

    There are 4 independent temperature displays, 4 independent control knobs, and 4 + 2 extra temperature probes.
  3. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    I am looking at the
    Corsair Dominator 4GB Kit at 9-9-9-24
    I checked reviews and they seem to be the best manufacturer
    I also checked the
    OCZ DDR3 PC3-16000 9-9-928
    Again the reviews are good.

    But why OCZ and not Corsair? Why is Corsair not worth it?

    You see that’s were I need you people that’s where my knowledge is limited on this matters.

    I Chose Corsair because the majority uses them, this made me to believe is a safer choice, but again like I said above knowledge limited I am!

    I am looking at the independent Control but still doing some research on it. Sorry I should have said that before.
  4. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

    Becuase it costs twice as much and its not much better either. Corsairs is good but their "Dominator" seires is overpriced. Most people buy the XMS2 seires.
  5. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Ok I shall research more!
    What I do like about the Dominator is the AirFlow you can install to keep your memory cooler, I like that design better than the PCZ XTC Cooler just for the reason of its design.
    The Screws are on the sides’ wile the AirFlow is on the top which maximises space.

    Also I am looking at cooling the graphic Cards and memory with liquid and Fans plus other devises, any thoughts on that?
  6. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125



    LOL i read some reviews and i heard the fan was week...but a fan is a fan, it will still help. Besides, you can buy it separetly for $20.
  7. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Hi guys,
    Just a little quick update here!
    Sorry if I haven’t replied for a wile. I am over checking the System Specifications again doing a few last choices etc…

    One important thing you must know is I have decided ‘not’ to use Liquid Cooling. You ask your selves why? Well because I just came back from a friend’s house. He had his Liquid Cooling running fine, his been having this thing running for over two years now, beautiful thing I have to say. UNTIL! Their was a little accident, a leakage. I have to say what happened next was not nice and it will probably scar me for life. (By the way his Computer was a Voodoo, just to tell you for future reference, just encase)

    What I am looking at is an After Cooler, especially the ‘ioss RD7’ also I am looking at a BIOS SAVIOR as well. I just began my research on those and was wondering if you knew anything about it and again if you could point me to the right direction.

    I will probably finalize everything very soon and you will probably see the 2nd to last System Spec!

    Hope to hear from you soon! (I always do thank you)
  8. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    The RD7 looks okay, but the BIOS Savior is a waste IMO, especially since most companies offer to ship the BIOS chip to you for a nominal fee.
  9. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Ah ok. so BIOS goodbye!
    so you like the RD7 any other type of After Cooler you would recomend?
  10. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

    I just found out what an after cooler is...lol. Thats kinda funny to use a cooler AFTER shutdown as the highest temps would be before shutdown and unless the shutdown was a crash due to temperatures, im not sure how usefull it would be. Oh well i don't really know what im talking about here.
  11. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Actually, temps will shoot up after shutdown, since if the CPU is running at 60C before shutdown, it may shoot up to 80C afterwards, since before the heat was being dissipated by the heatsink, but after shutdown, the HSF is not running, so the CPU stays much hotter for a longer time. Just because you cut the power to the CPU doesn't mean that the heat from the chip stops dissipating instantly.
     
  12. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

    No but the fan should still keep spinning for a very slight amount of time after shutdown, plus the heatsink itself should absorb alot of the heat shouldn't it? Enough anyway that it should be fine...shouldn't it?? Don't you have an arctic freezer 7? is that working well?
  13. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Unless the heatsink had heatpipes, it wouldn't really help. And as far as I've seen, the fans immediately spin down after the PC turns off. But the usefulness of such a device would also depend on how hot your CPU is running in the first place. My QX9650 runs at around 54C or so under full load, which isn't much anyways and at idle, it sits at under 30. Regardless, this is a debatable topic, but having that device wouldn't hurt IMO, especially after looking at how cheap it is (relative to the OP's budget).
  14. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    As far as I can see IOSS a reletavly very small company is the only one who produce this product.
    Wierd I can't find anything else like that anywhere!
    have you guys found anything like that, which is the same device and that i can compare it with.
    If not thats ok I can tell you I am getting it seems like a good little cheap gadget this does.

    Oh one thing I forgot.
    I am looking at CPU & VGA Cooling systems at the momment after that I am done.
    Just hoping if you can direct me to the right direction! (Remmember I am not using Liquid Cooling not after what happened)

    Wingy
  15. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

    LOL

    couldn't you just attach a battery between the fan input and cooler or something??? Bah i suppose i would rather pay a couple bucks for an "after cooler". What cpu cooler are you going to use again?



    @rage: Whats your cpu clocked at, 3.0ghz?
  16. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Well not sure yet. I am comparing many different brands and designs at the moment. will probably put something up in the forums tomorrow around 18:00GMT.
    Their are so many to choose from its ridiculous LOL!
    will probably post the VGA Cooling tomorrow. I will save them most important Cooling to last (CPU).

    But again any which you might recommend please do
  17. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Yep. Didn't bother trying to OC it, since it's already so ridiculously fast at that frequency.

    @Wing-01, I recommend the Thermalright 120-Ultra Extreme CPU cooler.
  18. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

  19. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Ok guys just to update you, I haven’t done much today for the build. Work killed me today!
    Anyway I did research in all of them. When I say research I mean very Basic research but you know where I am at.

    Below is the original list of CPU Cooling Systems Manufacturers I looked at.
    As you will see I have a narrowed version of different manufacturers I will chose from.
    From that list I will chose the dady LOL

    Akasa
    Arctic Cooling
    Asetek
    Asus
    Coolermaster
    Dynatron
    Gigabyte
    Intel
    Noctua
    NorthQ
    Scythe
    Silverstone Tech
    Supermicro
    Thermalright
    Xigmatek
    Zalman
    Zerothem


    Chosen List:
    Artic Cooling
    Noctua
    Scythe
    XIGMATEK
    Zalman
    Thermalright
    ASUS
  20. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Arctic Cooling, Noctua, Scythe, Zalman, XIGMATEK, Thermaltake, ZeroTHERM and Thermalright would be the top picks IMO. The current CPU cooler king IMO is the ZeroTHERM Nirvana NV120.
    If you're thinking of GPU cooling, better not mess with it since most manufacturers do not offer warranty if you change the stock heatsink.
  21. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    So hang on are you saying I shoudnt buy a GPU Cooling system. or are you saying to really pick the right one ?
  22. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

    really?
    O.o
    Is there anyway to replace the 120mm fan, it looks loud...?



    No you should buy a manufacture's coolling solution as to not void the warrenty.
    Like saphire's toxic 3870 gddr4. Or that one brand with "chill " in its name. I forgot what it was called. Anyway the 4870x2 hasnt even come out yet soo....though im sure there will be some pretty insane cooling solutions as thye are supposedly running vey hot.
  23. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Yeah for the VGA Cooling I will wait.
    Found that out what you just told me very fast when I was researchig it.
    Thats why I went into GPU Cooling Research.

    But If I cannot buy a different cooling solution for the GPU are you saying I need to buy the GPU Cooling Solution from the same company who makes the GPU?
  24. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,367   +125

    Well if you cant buy one, well i guess you have no choice than to buy from the retailers...Well, assuming that you buy the 4870x2 at either $450 or $500 USD, you won't want to have that wasted by voiding your warrenty and having it die somehow...so its better to use the manufacture's cooling solution. Many manufacture's offer good cooling solutions. Although i seriously think that the 4870x2 is going to have MAJOR heat issues...
  25. Wing-01

    Wing-01 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 46

    Ok so just to recheck see if I understand.
    I will buy Intel Processor so I will buy Intel cooling solution for that Processor.
    the same goes with graphic cards and so on right?

    Their might be some danger but if it needs to be cooled it will be cooled

    Better to be frosty LOL

    ------------
    Looking at the Cooling from Intel. They already come with their Heat sinks and fans the only think I do not like is that I cannot run the fan after shut down which is the main thing I want to do but I will stick with the one Intel Provides for their Processors.

    For the VGA well more research and will wait until the Graphic’s Card comes out see what solutions I can find for that.
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