Conspiracy to delay the Electric Car?

Probably a few hours, like 6 (at best) or maybe same as a laptop.. It just depends on how efficient the engine is to output the power to the wheels and regenerate (to some point) the power lost. Of course, if there is electric vehicles then it'll probably mean seeing power outlets at your local parking lots to recharge the cars while you go shopping say, so hours dont realy mean jack. Like i said, once we have a suitable energy efficient "battery" we could start seeing these types of cars move out of the city and into remote/country areas where theres less power outlets and such, so battery life is longer..

Think of it like the Gameboy. The original started with 4 AA batteries, and lasts 2 hrs or so continuous and is heavy. Then as technology improved, the current incarnation of the Gameboy (Advance/DS) moved to rechargable Li-Ion batteries, which lasts few days at best or at least like 10x more than the original. Without the weight.

Oh dont worry, once thoes richboys have their chance to play around with them and it starts to get mass produced they'll be the same price as those toys coming from china... remember the DVD burners?

Kevin, you don*t go down without a fight. I*ll give you that.

The computer you are using did cost hundreds of thousands only a few years ago. How can you afford it?

The actual man hours labour cost of an electric car is but a fraction of a gas or oil burning engine vehicle with all the added systems it needs to run.

The high cost of EVs is only due to no economy of scale.

An EV is not much more than an electric fan motor with battery and charger.

Someone on another site said cold Canadian winters would put the batteries to sleep.

Guess he forgot that when the auto-charge comes on from 2 to 7 am the batteries are warm and at full strength.

Some big box stores currently offer free plug-in for EVs, senior carts, golf carts and electric scooters.

Kevin... you didn*t check the www.plugInAmerica.com site yet, eh? = TG

omg...the point is that electric cars cannot get the horsepower and the haul of a gasoline engine. Why do you think scientists of the most technologically advanced countries around the world CHOOSE not to further develop the electric car? Answer: Because there are other, cheaper, and more efficient options.

EVs have power galore..

Kevin16, It*s embarrassing that you refuse to read the link a little.

You will find documented evidence, [photos et al], that an EV easily beat two leading Euro racing cars. Was it Lambourghini and BMW?.. now I have to go look again..

Electric cars must be goverened because their speed is is almost unlimited. = TG

Are you refering to the "grunt" you feel when you press down on the accelerator? Of course electric vehicles wont have that "grunt" simply because there is 0 combustable parts and less moving parts to start with, so no vibrations means its virtualy silent. Off course, you can install a vibration/sound device to simulate this if you do feel like you miss the feeling of it, or the silent engine type not attracting much attention of the opposite gender.

Of course, if you are refering to earth moving equipments, trucks, heavy machinery and such, where the power is actualy needed, then i see no problem with your statement like so, but as technology improves, so will the power output to power drain ratio be improved too, and as oil supplies (even if we manage to create synthetic replacement oil of sorts) runs out, or the combustable engine becomes obsolete then things will change.

Although do note that forklifts (which can carry heavy weights, and are dangerously fast in the wrong hands) run from an electric motor, and the one at work just gets its nightly recharge and it goes on all day (6am to 9pm) without fail. So do other forms of machinery

Dude, go watch some TV. Shows like Beyond Tomorow usualy have frequent articles about electric cars (although the season has ended for this year in australia). Or google a bit. There are still people who are working on electric engines still, and even more people working on hybrids engines, some that include electric/fuel models such as the Toyota Prius. The electric engine is not dead at all, rather that its at a "baby" stage, where its to develope and mature before moving into commercial mass production and the general public's interests.

Please, if you feel the need to prove me or any statement we write down as wrong, do not hesitate to post links or references to articles that support your claim or elaborate more on what you are trying to convey to us and most of us will back down if it proves true.

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This link takes you to the full story and 21 + photos on the Tesla Roadster. About $90.000 to buy today.

Their claim is 1 penny per mile running costs.

The math above is interesting and would be more accurate if it included costs of services and supplies that a oil burning vechicle requires beyond Gas fuel purchases like: Oil and oil changes, radiator service, coolants and anti-freeze. Muffler service, mufflers, catalytic converters and tail pipe systems. Transmission service, fluids, and power train services. Fuel injector and ignition and plugs ....Etc etc.

California governor Arnold drove off with a Tesla Roadster. With none of the usual auto services required, the Tesla will save him a fortune in valuable time saved. These cars are a no-brainer for the wealthy. When production numbers climb, prices will drop to where you and I will not be able to resist an EV. = TG

I have read the links and I don't deny that the electric car won the race. However, the electric vehicle is like a capacitor that stores electrical energy and rapidly releases all of it at a given time, whereas a gasoline car is like a battery that gradually uses up its energy. Do you know how cameras get that bright, fraction of a second, flash?

Do you know that in the current hybrid vehicle alone, the batteries need to be replaced every 5 or so years and that those batteries are like $5,000? Imagine a vehicle running solely on batteries...

Those figures are not an impossible spread for conditions today.

Personal time is valuable. EV service is likely to be brakes and little else. Oil burner auto service demands attention to dozens of systems, filters, fluids and seasonal winterization. Time is money.

If the deluxe $90,000 240HP Tesla Roadster costs 1 to 1.5 cents per mile to run, how much will the $30,000 120HP 2 door economy model cost to run?

We are at the tipping point. Here come the EVs. Hold on tight. = TG

Well, all I can say is...Good luck with that!

SNGX and everyone who took part in this Electric Vehicle advenute.. my sincere thanks. This is the best discovery fun run in a long time.

In the beginning I had the idea that nothing was available as I had not seen any advertising or documentary coverage on EVs at all.

My first discovery was the *90 tp 93 GM EV1 and the fact they were only leased and all were recalled [except for one or two whose owners moved and kept their EV1s].

Then, all in a rush, I learned of several other brands of EVs through to the Toyota RAV4 EV and finally the powerful Tesla Roadster.

http://TonyGuitar.blogspot.com

No way do I wish any harm to the people of Iran, but if Israel decides to ignore the decoy Hezbollah leader Nasrallah in Lebanon and decides to hit the real head of Hezbollah, Ahmadinejad in Tehran, Iran, then you can expect the cost of gas to go to $5 - $10.

The demand pressure for Electric Cars will be suddenly focused then.

Refineries cost from 6 to 15 $Billion to build. Big Oil is not about to risk their own cash reserves when Electric is here and Hydrogen is on the horizon. When refineries are so easy to sabotage and more storms like Katrina are likely.

Hello EV.. Nice to meetcha... just in time too. = TG

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NO!!!!

I HATE YOU!!!

Very nice!!!

I want one

The Tesla looks so cool! I want one NOW!

How about everybody interrested in EV technology, pool together all the cash they can and buy one. Then we just trade is between each other a few months at a time

As far as battery power, to change subjects a little, what do you think about atomic batteries such as the Tritium types using radioactive isotopes? These have been around for a long time and are used to power sensors and things in hard to reach places. They last over ten years without needed replaced.

I can imagine if such a technology were pushed to larger scales, there could be a battery in these EVs which would require NO charge for YEARS! Imagine that!
But then again, the terms "atomic" and "radioactive" bring a few questions to mind as to how dangerous they would be in a moving vehicle. Given a crash or catching fire etc...

Nevertheless. Technology has ALWAYS become cheaper, smaller, and faster with time. Nobody thought that todays fancy computer watches would be more powerfully then computers of old. The 25 pound "portable laptop" of old is now a million times better, and weighs 3 pounds.

Given the history of invention, it shouldn't be to hard to predict that in 10 years perhaps, all-electric vehicles, of many shapes and sizes, will be availabe to the average family for a reasonable 10k to 30k, and be able to hold a charge for a good week at a time. And hopefully, these cars, and trucks, won't look like plastic play toys like some of todays do.

I foresee a time where geeks in their garage could quite likely build their own EVs out of mail-order parts. Wouldn't that be cool! Build your own vehicle. Kinda like we can mail order parts to build go-carts etc...

Things can only go up, if the conspiritors of the oil companies don't put a stop to it. Matter of fact, if they would only embrace it NOW, and dump their billions into it, they could corner the market right away, and double their cash flow by controlling BOTH sides. lol

I have always thought of the oil companies holding back the electic car, for reasons that are clear. Infact, i only thought about the possibility of oil companies holding back the electric car after watching the Stone Cutter, Simpons episode

Buy your EV and foil Iran & Hezbollah

Irwin Daisy said...

Is there an answer? A moratorium on Muslim immigration into the west would be a welcome start. Preventing Iran and any other Islamic nation from achieving nuclear arms or WMD's is another. Perhaps this type of marginalization is the only answer until they are slowly forced to give up their murderous cult and join the rest of humanity.
Posted by: Irwin Daisy at July 24, 2006 12:11 PM
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Defeat Iran and Hezbollah. Cut way back on using their oil.

Quick Electric Vehicle Primer

When you buy your new Toyota RAV4 EV, you can pay for it out of the $300 to $400 you do not pay for monthly gas purchases.

Do not be tempted to buy a hybrid. Hybrids are needlessly complex and thus you remain in the grip of Big Auto.

An electric vehicle consists of battery, motor, charger and brakes. Service costs should be virtually zero.

There are lots of EVs to choose from.

http://TonyGuitar.blogspot.com

= TG

Environment wins… Iran loses.
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