Does Ryzen Perform Better with AMD GPUs?

[anselhelm]

Did you read the article? Did you look at the results? Yes, there is an issue on Ryzen with Nvidia's DX12 performance, we also found that Ryzen worked better in quite a few games using Nvidia on DX11 though.

Hi Steve. Yes, I read the article fully, but you missed the entire point of what the internet is talking about with Ryzen's performance. The issue isn't Nvidia DX11 performance (which is generally greater than AMD's), but rather Nvidia's poor DX12 driver in terms of its inability to scale well with more CPU cores compared with AMD's superior DX12 driver.

I appreciate you taking the time to write this article, but I stick by my points. You put a lot of hard work into this, but I think you could edit and improve the article (or follow it up) by looking at videos like this one first:

The video I've linked to shows the Nvidia DX12 issue with Rise Of The Tomb Raider.

 

[Steve]

Hi Steve. Yes, I read the article fully, but you missed the entire point of what the internet is talking about with Ryzen's performance. The issue isn't Nvidia DX11 performance (which is generally greater than AMD's), but rather Nvidia's poor DX12 driver in terms of its inability to scale well with more CPU cores compared with AMD's superior DX12 driver.

I appreciate you taking the time to write this article, but I stick by my points. You put a lot of hard work into this, but I think you could edit and improve the article (or follow it up) by looking at videos like this one first:

The video I've linked to shows the Nvidia DX12 issue with Rise Of The Tomb Raider.

I'm well aware of the AdoredTV video, it's good but it also only looks at one game and the issue from one angle. Most games are still DX11, by far the majority of the games used by myself to test Ryzen's gaming performance were DX11. In that case it seems Ryzen actually looks better with an Nvidia GPU.

I haven't missed the entire point of what the internet is talking about with Ryzen's performance, I have addressed it in its entirety while leaving out any speculation.

 

[anselhelm]

I'm well aware of the AdoredTV video, it's good but it also only looks at one game and the issue from one angle. Most games are still DX11, by far the majority of the games used by myself to test Ryzen's gaming performance were DX11. In that case it seems Ryzen actually looks better with an Nvidia GPU.

I haven't missed the entire point of what the internet is talking about with Ryzen's performance, I have addressed it in its entirety while leaving out any speculation.

Agree to disagree

In any case, I appreciate the effort you put into this article and wish you well regardless.

 

[noname]

Of course it doesn't perform better. Is That Even Possible? :>>

Another high quality Techspot article...

 

[Steve]

Of course it doesn't perform better. Is That Even Possible? :>>

Another high quality Techspot article...

I'm not even sure how to respond to this comment. The derp is strong with this one.

 

[noname]

Of course it doesn't perform better
Another high quality Techspot article

derp and sarcasm (...) removed

 

[cliffordcooley]

And meaning is absent just like a name/moniker.

 

[ScubaRhys]

DX12 actually showing improvements? Say it ain't so...

I love DX12. Especially when it supports crossfire. I seem to play a lot of CPU bound games and despite owning an i7 4790k I sometimes get issues. When a game is CPU bound I find that it becomes an inconsistent stuttering mess compared to when a game is GPU bound, GPU limitations seem to be a lot smoother. I find DX12 switches this limitation over to the GPU(s).

Must say though, it seems to be a case of DX11 with crossfire or DX12 and no crossfire most of the time. Hopefully that will change as DX12 becomes mainstream.

 

[Adi6293]

Should it last longer? That might not be the case. Games are clearly moving to multithreaded architecture but how quickly? Ryzen has a lower IPC than Kaby Lake which will be exposed more on the future as graphics cards get stronger. Currently Ryzen looks like it matches Kaby Lake with the current graphics cards at 1440p or 4K because the graphics card is the limiting factor. As graphics cards improve we will see the limiting factor switch back to the CPU and we will start to see Intels stronger IPC showing up again and delivering stronger frame rates like we currently do when testing at 1080p.

Well thanks to Xbox One and PS4 all games engines are made to work multi threaded, PS4 Pro and Project Scorpio are still using the same weak 8 Core cpu so developers have to code games multi threaded friendly

 

[msroadkill612]

So for the normal everyday dude looking to build a new PC for web browsing, Kodi streaming, and some light gaming (not looking for "liquid cooled alien technology" but just to be able to play any game for the next couple years at a playable frame rate) what would you do? I've noticed that in a hour-to-hour comparison I spend twice the amount of time streaming movies & tv shows than anything else. I don't even use a monitor anymore, I keep my PC hooked up to a 55' 4k tv. But my computer is very very old now and I've put off upgrading for many years now. There's just so many charts, graphs, reviews & opinions that I get lost trying to research a new system. Where's the best bang for your dollar at this point? Would you even buy now? Does it make sense to wait and see what the next month or 2 brings to the table (which can easily turn into a never ending wait & see scenario)? Stick with the familiar but expensive Intel/Nvidia brands or take a chance on Ryzen/AMD? If you were to spend up to $1000 bucks what is the best way to go. Replacing a core2quad @ 3.6 GHz & a GTX 480. I think it's about 10-12 yrs old. Wow just realizing now how long it's been.. but it served me well. Thanks for any opinions.

Ideally wait for ~4 months for vega.

if thats too long, go ryzen and mark time with your old graphics card.

4 core ryzen 5s may actually have an edge, if the 4 cores get as much cache as 8 cores ryzens.

get 2 sticks of the fastest memory - critical for ryzen performance. get 32 GB ideally - vega can have a huge virtual vram page using system mem.

asus seem the go for moboS.

u can be damn sure vega and ryzen will indeed be a better combo than nvidia on any similar cpu.

I disagree w/ others here - the most immovable barrier to gpu progress has been memory speed - amdS hbm2 is a quantum leap.

Because vega and ryzen are a new generation of processor, not just incremental improvements - u have a basis of a system which improves for years to come, automatically via software.

 

[pan1c]

Well both CPU's will play any game at max settings so unless you have 100+Hz monitor I would buy Ryzen 1700 and OC it to 4.0Ghz, it should last longer

I have a 144hz monitor, and I play all my games on low as I only play competitive. Min. FPS is most important to me.

But im still doubting, in some reviews the ryzen has more stable min fps... but in most it doesnt. Well think I'll just go for Intel, better be save than sorry.

 

[yukka]

Well since everyone is telling Steve how to do his job, I'll wade in too!!

How bad an idea would it be to clock/underclock each processor so they get the same result from Cinebench or whichever CPU performance benchmark is the best, then do the test. Or something. Bam. Solution.

 

[cliffordcooley]

How bad an idea would it be to clock/underclock each processor so they get the same result

I for one don't care about over/under-clock results. I have a feeling the mass majority feels the same way. This is a generalized review about the entire lineup of Ryzen CPUs that shouldn't include such specifics.

 

[ScubaRhys]

I for one don't care about over/under-clock results. I have a feeling the mass majority feels the same way. This is a generalized review about the entire lineup of Ryzen CPUs that shouldn't include such specifics.

If you're just gaming and that gaming is at 144hz then yeah definitely go Intel. Get yourself watercooled too and put a nuts OC on it. Every little bit helps above 100fps!

 

[YouMustBeKiddn]

No Kiddn?

Once again!
A COMPLETE FAILURE to fact check and find out what the "Actual Challenge IS"!!!
And this failure is not TECHSPOT's problem Alone. So far, Every Tech site has repeated the same "BLUNTED" Version of the SUSPICION and never actually tested the THEORY as it was actually Submitted.
In the original argument, some people were suspecting that the fault in performance was due to Nvidia's API detecting an AMD platform and hobbling its performance. But I rather believe the reason is akin to the fact that AMD has GCN architecture and Nvidia doesn't have the ability to read GCN protocols and ignores that information because it can't use it, thus not allowing Nvidia GPU's to fully use all of Ryzen's capabilities.

So, Firstly, Allow me to Explain the Rules for this Fight!
The entire premise of testing Ryzen vs Intel i7 VS. RADEON vs Nvidia at 720P is a Moot point. If it's BottleNecks you are trying to avoid, then why not test the 1080Ti vs Dual Crossfired RX480's??? This Very CLARIFICATION has been REPEATED and RECHALLENGED many times, and Still We are Not Allowed to see this precise test take place. One might start to believe that Nvidia is scarred to allow this test to take place.

The 1080Ti is unarguably twice the GPU that a Single RX480 is. AND the RX480 is less than Half the Price of the 1080Ti. So why not redo this test using Crossfired Sapphire Nitro RX480's(WHY??? Because we need to test 2X8 pin power on equal terms since the 1080Ti has "a pair").... so we can see exactly how close it can come to Nvidia's high standard benchmarks at 1080p & 1440k... 4k would be nice, but how many folks actually game at 4k at this point? But it would be fun to see nonetheless to find out how their scaling works side by side...

My suspicion is that the Dual RX480 might Match or Beat the 1080Ti in some games and vice versa.
Testing them in Both DX11 & 12, Vulcan, Chronos & Mantle etc, along with all the latest Bios, Game and Mobo Updates and at the Exact Same Memory and Clock Speeds... (3.4 mhz normal & 4 ghz O\C'ed)

AND NOT IN GAMING BENCHMARKS, BUTTTT!!!!!! IN REAL TIME ACTUAL GAME PLAY!!

And then we can see where the chips Lay!
It is amazing to me how many Tech Testers keep missing this point.

The original idea came from Lisa Su herself the day the RX480 was release.
She stated that you can by a Ryzen 1700X and one RX480 for a very low price and have a Satisfactory Gaming experience. AND if you want to have NEAR 1080Ti performance, you can buy another RX480 for less than the cost of the 1080Ti and not just save money, but actually beat the 1080Ti in SOME Titles...
So what do you say Techspot??? Are you willing to take on this challenge? Has Nvidia forbidden it?
I would like at least one of these tech sites to respond to this AND MAKE THIS TEST HAPPEN!!!

 

[cliffordcooley]

The 1080Ti is unarguably twice the GPU that a Single RX480 is. AND the RX480 is less than Half the Price of the 1080Ti. So why not redo this test using Crossfired Sapphire Nitro RX480's(WHY??? Because we need to test 2X8 pin power on equal terms since the 1080Ti has "a pair")....

My suspicion is that the Dual RX480 might Match or Beat the 1080Ti in some games and vice versa.

You are so cute comparing a non-SLI with a Crossfire setup.

 

[Spect]

I would say a Ryzen 5 CPU (quad-core) is what you will want.

Thanks Steve, over the weekend I placed my order. I ordered the Ryzen 5 1600 with a nice fast 16gb ram kit. Im so excited. I ordered a bottom tier amd Rx card just to use for 2-3 months while I wait for VEGA. All wrapped up in a Fractal Design case. It's been so long since I've looked at computer hardware. I didn't have a clue where to start looking. Funny thing is, when I asked for a little direction. You replied and suggested Ryzen 5. So I went to YouTube to see what people where saying about it. And I stumbled onto [what I think] is your YouTube channel and your videos where on there to help me further. My GF and I were looking together and she was like "isn't that the same guy?" We both had a good laugh at the coincidence. Anyway thanks for your time & advice.

 

[Steve]

Thanks Steve, over the weekend I placed my order. I ordered the Ryzen 5 1600 with a nice fast 16gb ram kit. Im so excited. I ordered a bottom tier amd Rx card just to use for 2-3 months while I wait for VEGA. All wrapped up in a Fractal Design case. It's been so long since I've looked at computer hardware. I didn't have a clue where to start looking. Funny thing is, when I asked for a little direction. You replied and suggested Ryzen 5. So I went to YouTube to see what people where saying about it. And I stumbled onto [what I think] is your YouTube channel and your videos where on there to help me further. My GF and I were looking together and she was like "isn't that the same guy?" We both had a good laugh at the coincidence. Anyway thanks for your time & advice.

haha I'm everywhere Sounds like you are putting together a seriously good gaming system mate. Keen to hear how it all goes, once you get a Vega card! Now, you're waiting for Vega like the rest of us

 

[Strawman]

She stated that you can by a Ryzen 1700X and one RX480 for a very low price and have a Satisfactory Gaming experience. AND if you want to have NEAR 1080Ti performance, you can buy another RX480 for less than the cost of the 1080Ti and not just save money, but actually beat the 1080Ti in SOME Titles...
So what do you say Techspot??? Are you willing to take on this challenge? Has Nvidia forbidden it?
I would like at least one of these tech sites to respond to this AND MAKE THIS TEST HAPPEN!!!

I'm an AMD fanboy myself but, holy **** dude, your post gave me cancer. It was ALWAYS the case that 2 GPU's of any kind are usually better than a single more expensive GPU. Acting like that's a big pro for the RX480 is just dumb. Also, the cost are not just the costs of the GPU's. In order to go CF you need a more expensive mobo and a more expensive PSU too. In reality, the cost difference is meaningless. Especially now with the pricecuts there is absolutely no reason to go 2xRX480 when for almost the same money you can buy a 1080. You would be nuts to do that.

And btw, the 1080 actually performs better than 2RX 480's. . And that's without taking into consideration how many games don't support or don't work great on CF / SLI's. Also an Nvidia fanboy could make the opposite point. 2x1080's are better than 4x480's and AMD is not allowing the reviewers to do the comparison blablabla. Stop seeing conspiracies where there are none.