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Editorial: Adobe's Flash Updater is Bloated and Shady

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  1. Julio Franco TechSpot Editor Posts: 6,037   +117

  2. Divvet Newcomer, in training Posts: 27   +10

    Yet another flash bashing post, just install Google Chrome and get over it already. When your using Internet Explorer what do you expect? Also please stop spouting the HTML5 to replace Flash crap already. Flash ins't going to disappear anytime soon, so quit complaining.
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  3. Great article!
    thanx for the PDF-XChange CViewer
  4. This does seem like a bit of a "Waaaaaaaaaahmbulance" story. And in what way is the updater "shady"? Does it only conduct it's business down dark secluded alleyways in the middle of the night? I get you may not like the way it works, but there's nothing mysterious about it. And if you don't want the bloatware, uncheck the boxes which install it. Isn't really hard. Obviously would be nice if they weren't selected by default but it's not the end of the world.
  5. misor TechSpot Booster Posts: 339   +42

    If flash updater is so much pain in the ***, then why bother with using automatic updates?

    I have installed the free update notifier from filehippo.

    and the title is "adobe flash" but contains rants against adobe flash player, adobe reader, the toolbar bundled with adobe flash player download, the bloated size of winzip 17 versus the competition, even the point of praising sim2000 running fine.
    maybe for uniformity sake, the article should have inluded the bloatware that was/is vista/7/8.

    if the story was told by somebody not from the techspot staff, I could swallow it but since it was, then here's my two thumbs down.

    editorial is meant to be a mouthpiece at something specific, a personal bias against something.

    +1
  6. From a technician's standpoint, working with non-tech savvy end users, I can agree. It would make my life a whole lot easier if they fixed the issues you speak of.
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  7. avioza Newcomer, in training Posts: 41   +9

    We have been experiencing the issue of end users installing crome and unwanted software on our network. We will have to disable the updater at this point or block the web traffic it generates.

    It appears we will have to handle any flash upgrades with in house software distribution.
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  8. Divvet Newcomer, in training Posts: 27   +10

    Simple solution, remove flash, install Chrome. Tada, no more updater, no more unwanted software + a very secure browser.
  9. avioza Newcomer, in training Posts: 41   +9

    We have several in-house apps have been built on IE, one the culmination of 3+ years of 20+ programmers work interfacing with a couple different IBM mainframes and Imaging applications. Chrome is not really an option.
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  10. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    @Divvet I don't use IE, I use Opera. The point was that whatever default browser you use is what will get updated in the point releases, not your other browser.
    And even Adobe seem intent on allowing HTML5 to take over if you saw the link at the end of my editorial, so maybe this is why they don't seem to put any effort into making the Flash updater work properly.

    Guest1: You're welcome :)

    Guest2: In my defense the title wasn't my doing :)
    The question is why an updater brings up a download page in the first place, there is no logical reason for it. It just means the updater is not even used at all.

    @misor I want to use the updater because it would make my life easier, this coming from someone both managing computers in large networks but also helping out friends and family.
    The point with doing comparisons to other software was that you have a choice in those cases.
    You can install the bloated version if you so like, or select one of the others.
    But with Flash you don't have a choice, it's either use Adobe's version or bust...
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  11. Divvet
    I dont want o be give all my data to Google. That what Chrome browser does. Read Google's privacy policy and how they can use your data. when you dealing with internet and nothing is secure.
    Since there is not much alternate to flash (at least for now)Adobe should be more careful about less technical users and bloatware. somebody should remind them what happened Real player.
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  12. gamoniac Newcomer, in training Posts: 79   +11

    Good article. I noticed the download page, too. It is time for Adobe to step up.

    @Divvet,
    You can't be serious to advise switching corporate browser choice just because of a plug-in. BTW, Chrome does not make it to more than a handful of big companies who have invested a lot in their web-based applications, simply because Chrome have new releases every three months. Those corporate apps need to be thoroughly tested and it is time-consuming. Each browser version update is a big undertaking. You can blame it on the developers/programmers/proprietory code, but that is what's taking place in big (and slow-moving) corporations.

    For the record, I used to use Chrome exclusively but Opera is way cooler to use even on my Android tablet. Not going back to the lousy Chrome. Not sure what the big fuss is with Chrome; it sucks.
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  13. I had same problem and my solution was to use Secunia CSI. I disabled all softwares' auto-update and allow Secunia CSI to take care of it.

    At home, I use Secunia PSI in all computers.
  14. spencer TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 103

    I agree with this article, I prefer html5 over flash any day. And the author makes some very good points say what you want but flash has been a weakness for a very long time.
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  15. Thanks for the article, didn't know adobe installed two different versions (?) on the same install (different processes as well?, and I assume different registry entries) they seem determined to loose what market they have left between this kind of thing, what you describe in the article, of course the security risk, and the difficulty of administration.
    Tired of hearing about google and chrome as well b/c tired of being the product (iron anyone?) and having little alternative to flash. Bring on html5 asap. For pdfs, I like sumatra, as it comes with a portable version at 2.4mb - so does iron, but I've never gotten the portable version, windows only, to work.
  16. tomkaten Newcomer, in training Posts: 22

    Adobe is crap and has been for years. I never install their stupid Flash from their site.

    Filehippo.com rules for that, they even allowed for clean, offline installations of YM when Yahoo's online downloader would bundle it with lots of crapware.

    So... Always download Flash from http://www.filehippo.com , x32 or x64, both the activeX and the plugin versions, install, select "never search for updates" when asked and you should be fine.

    And btw, a Pentium 486 doesn't exist, different generations. :)
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  17. Kneep Newcomer, in training Posts: 20

    I just use ninite to update the adobe crap :)
  18. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    We do offer the "corporate" installers for Flash here on Techspot, do note that the current installers contain both the x86 & x64 version of Flash nowdays, so it's only 2 EXE files to install and not 4 like before :)
    So all you need to do is install the ActiveX version for IE and plugin version for Firefox / Opera
    Oops, honest mistake there :)
    Yes, they are split between IE & Opera/Firefox however it is not a process per se, it is a plugin for the browser.
    For example Chrome Sandboxes it, and Firefox does too via their "plugin-container.exe" process.
    Opera tried this too but they actually reverted the change because it caused more browser crashes...
  19. EEatGDL TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 136   +10

    Totally agree with the article, nothing to add. And no, I won't install more bloatware that looks for updates of programs I have installed.
  20. lipe123 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 270   +24

    Best way to deal with this: http://ninite.com/

    Check Flash and flash (ie) and download the little exe. Each time things need updating just double click and its done.