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Fallout: New Vegas will use Steam for DRM

By Matthew
Jun 9, 2010
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  1. Everyone saying that a company has a right to keep its product from being pirated is missing one very important fact: DRM does practically nothing to keep a game from being pirated. There is no DRM that has not been cracked. All that it does is penalize the legitimate customer, and as a result it frequently drives away customers who would have otherwise paid for the product.

    At best, DRM keeps the pirates from uploading the game for a day or two (even this is very rare; 95+% of games are cracked within hours of becoming available). This may, admittedly, result in increased sales in some rare cases, as some people who would pirate otherwise can afford to pay for the game and are too impatient to wait an extra day for it, but the vast majority of pirates don't fall into those categories; they are either too poor or too cheap to pay for the game. Moreover, in most cases these day-one sales will be offset by people who don't buy the game (either pirating it or simply not playing it) out of objection to DRM. Fallout 3 sold quite well on PC, and it had very minimal DRM, just a disc check. Do you really think that the number sales would have increased if it had used, say, Starforce or SecuROM for DRM? I doubt it; the bad associations that immediately come to mind for most people who are familiar with them ensure that many would opt not to buy it.

    And for those who believe that people are just whining because they don't want to have to pay for the game - which, to reiterate, doesn't make sense because every game since the advent of DRM has been cracked, STEAM games included - I'm almost certainly going to receive Fallout: New Vegas for Christmas. I actually would have bought it a while ago, except that I just finished putting together a new gaming computer and have very few other things to ask from my loved ones for Christmas, and they insist upon getting me something. And when I get it, the first thing I'll do is tuck it away somewhere and start torrenting. Because, believe it or not, there are legitimate customers out there who are simply fed up with DRM and other recent practices among gaming companies, who pay for games whose boxes we'll never open. We torrent games primarily for one of two reasons:

    1) It allows us to play the game without dealing with the hassle, invasiveness, or unreliability of DRM. In the case of STEAM, concerns range from being able to play on computers with no Internet access; to the possibility of the server being hacked or going down - temporarily or permanently; to disagreeing with aspects of the subscriber agreement; to concerns about customer service (see the first October 20 poster above for an example); to preferring to have physical copies; to limitations related to other aspects of STEAM such as not being able to roll back to earlier patches in order to use mods incompatible with more recent patches or features that were later removed. (Obviously, not all of these are applicable in the case of FO:NV.)

    2) Since companies have an unfortunate tendency not to release demos anymore - I suspect that this is because they've come to realize that demos are likely to result more sales lost than gained, seeing as generally only people who are already interested in the game will use them - we play downloaded copies for a short period in order to make an informed decision about whether to purchase a game. Reviews, no matter how trusted the source, can only tell you so much; only by experiencing the game for yourself can you make a good determination about whether or not it has enjoyable gameplay, will run smoothly and relatively glitch-free on your hardware setup, etc.
     
  2. those that dont have internet connection can always cross fingers and hope the goty edition will be patched up and "play from the box"
    hearing that a new elder scrolls is being made, lets hope that game isnt infected with DRM.
    c'mon Bethesda, read and hear what the customer is saying as "the customer is always right".
     
  3. my fingers are well and truly crossed!!!
     
  4. wanted this game, not now.
    hope santa knows to knock it off my list.
    this move was made by **** bandits, you aint touching my virgin bottom!
     
  5. any news on wether they will release this as a play from the box yet ???
    i mean, now that its classed as an older game, you would have thought they would consider it now so c'mon, some of us still want to play !!!
     
  6. I just bought new vegas, waited for it to go on sale. to my utter disappointment, after removing the plastic like a *****, i found that this uses steam. it would be fine to have some sort of online activation, whatever. steam is better than starforce or ubisoft's other neatness. but it still holds your games hostage. i installed over 2 hours ago, waiting for the game to force-update before i can play. that's what pisses me off the most, forced to download a 350 mb update after buying the disc. i bought the disc because i pay by amt of throughput. {)1c|<5
     
  7. I just got the game for christmas and tried to install on a Vista. Did not realize it was going through Steam to install, and immediately ran into a permissions issue with Steam updating a file. Resolved that and continued to install. Game installed fine, but then I went to play it and got the message that Steam servers were all too busy. All I want in a game is to be able to install and play it offline. If I had realized up front what was involved, I would have immediately returned the game. I will advise everyone I know to avoid this game for the extra hassle it brings with it...
     
  8. I bought two separate PC games as Christmas gifts for my sons. They installed the games on two different computers and were required to activate the games through STEAM. Unfortunately they used the same steam account and subsequently one can not play his game on a different computer while the other is using his game on a completely different PC.

    Complaint 1: Steam will not allow us to change this and put the games on separate accounts.

    Complaint 2: Steam does not allow you to re-sell the game to recover your cost if you do not like the game or decide you no longer want it. It is inexorably linked to the original account which is
    not transferrable. These restrictions not only seem abusive, but inherently unfair. The second complaint also undermines the prospect of re-sale and may constitute restraint of trade. This effectively renders the product valueless for re-sale.

    I tried to resolve this issue with their customer service department. Here is their reply, made to me by e-mail:

    “Hello, A staff member has replied to your question: Hello Tom, The buying, selling or trading of Steam accounts, games or CD keys is a violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. Steam games cannot be transferred between users. We will not be able to assist you.

    The Steam Subscriber Agreement can be found at: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=subscriber_agreement Anytime you wish you can view your question online......."

    I did not buy these items from steam. What does selling them have to do with steam. How is steam involved with that? Somebody eplain how this is fair.
     
  9. well i find it interestng , of all my games oblivion, fallout3 etc, the first steam game i purchase flops. I have spent 64 minutes of play in 2 weeks of trying to get it playing withiut something wrong. I tend to like audio in my game. back to piracy to "try" my games first. tahnks Bethesda for tha anal probe.
     
  10. lets hope mass effect 3 and the new elder scrolls arnt foooked over like this game was, lets hope WE aint fooooked over again.
     
  11. Amen to that!
     
     
  12. I agree. It has been 3 hours since I began my install and I still am not able to play yet. Waiting on steam really sucks!
     
  13. i don't like it because i 'm not cool with it i do not have Internet at home so i can not even play it i like that you protect your games from pirates but why do i have to have home internet why can't you do it like my gta 4 where i could go online at the libary to activate it so now i can't play it for atleast 2 more months i feel cheated i have loved fallout since the first one that i still play i bought 2 copys of fallout 3 the collecters whin it came out and the game of the years with all expansions. i'm one of your best customers but i'm not happy this time. besides the people who steal games and crack them can get around steam i have already seen copys online with no activation needed but i don't like to encourage pirates so i will wait but please find another way next time and bring back geckos
     
  14. One thing that no-one seems to have touched on regarding Steam is resale. You can't pass on your games to anyone after you've completed them, played them to death or just decided you don't want to keep them. You can't flog them on Ebay, swap them with your mates or even give them to your local charity shop!

    I admit that I've bought a lot of games via Steam (I currently have 70 in my library!) mostly in the ridiculous sales they have. I've got some hot newish games for a fiver, and some classics in bundles for similar amounts, plus some great indie games for pennies. I hate the fact that I can't even remove them from my library once I'm done with them, but I made the choice to buy them as DRM-resticted/infected digital downloads. I have to accept and live with the knowledge that they are there gathering virtual pixel dust for the rest of my life.

    However, I absolutely hate when I've bought a retail boxed game from a shop and discovered that it's locked to Steam. Apart from the initial wait while it activates and downloads the latest updates (sometimes the whole bloody game!) you then have a disk in a box which is useless once you've installed the game, and you can't recoup a single penny on it once you've finished with it. You have to carry it around with you FOREVER!!!! And that's just not good feng shui ;)
     
  15. Sorry, but it is not an issue of registering a game or not.....unlike others I've found you HAVE TO HAVE an internet connection or you don't play. It's upsetting that I paid $60 for a game I can't play on the road. It will be the last time I purchase a STEAM game will have to look to alternatives.
     
  16. Well, silly me, but not the only one.
    Fall out new Vegas, system requirements. do not mention the internet at all. When, if your like
    me, living on a small pacific island, All you have to go on, is the online advertisement of the game and its requirements. At the local internet cafe. Because you do not have an internet connection of your own.
    You order the game in good faith. It arrives by post shinny and new. You put in the disc and it reveals the fact that to play you need the net to activate it. what the....?...
    Oh wait... there is the VERY small print on the back. Well what do you do? there is no way I can connect my lovely computer to the internet, even if I could its just to good for the dirty cyber space any how.
    Go pirates I feel, crack that and disperse it, I just paid for something I need permission from a third party I had never heard of to use it.
    Sure I could have done more research but its just a game isn’t it. What is this steam any how.?
    Some of us just aren’t in the rest of the world and very rarely use the net. In fact more than 60% of the human population don’t have the internet and don’t need it. Why do I need it for a game?
    Useless control freaks selling stuff to ignorant islanders like me.
    Sad days.
     
  17. I like how everyone here is ignoring the benefits of steam:

    -install on any computer any time once you have the license
    -cloud support
    -controller support (I use an xbox360 controller through my computer)
    -achievements
    -multiplayer

    If any of you 'pirates' are making 30k or more a year, you're an ethical travesty.
     
  18. Steam is a bunch of crap. They just took my $9.99 for Old World Blues and I never received the dlc. I have sent them 3 emails requesting assistance and haven't received anything but an automated response. Looked all over the web for a toll free customer service number and seems to be none in existence. Thank the stars I paid with Paypal and I can at least get my money back through them via the waiting game. In the meantime, Steam has FROZEN my account and is holding my original game hostage, that I OWN FREE AND CLEAR, the original Fallout New Vegas. So thanks, Bethesda for partnering with a bunch of crooks who screwed someone on a fixed income out of almost $50.00.
     
  19. I'm sorry you NEED an internet connection to play this game.

    steam CLAIMS you don't but you CAN'T

    supposedly once you activate the game you can play it in offline mode. The game will say "100% ready " in your steam library meaning you can play

    but that really isn't true since, even in "offlline" mode you MUST connect to a steam server to play

    if you install the game (6.7 GB of files on your hard drive), keep the dvd in your optical drive then you STILL need to connect to the steam servers to play.


    so if you want to play Fallout New Vegas whenever you feel like it you had BETTER have an intentet connection and the steam servers MUST be online AND there MUST be an open slot for you to log in

    so if you look at the server list and see the server population as 34/34 (that means there are 34 players in 34 slots) all the way down the list too bad for you; you can't play the retail version that you installed and verified. you must wait till a server slot opens up for you.

    so you paid for a retail version yet treated like you subscribed to the game?

    Folks who crack games are pirates so what does that make the company that sells a retail version you can't play when you want to? Makes them just as bad in my book.


    Bye Bye Bethesda I will NEVER purchase a game from you ever.
     
  20. I already have this game on 360 but since I'm deployed I did want to lug my console half way across the globe. After a few months at my deployed location I bought NV at my Base Exchange. I get back to my dorm after being out in the 127 degree heat all day long. I take a shower, and then I start to install New Vegas. Guess what? Steam isn't available in this region, juust like Hulu and Netflix isn't. I just wasted my God damned money. Bethesda and Steam have just stole money from me. DRM is antipatriotic. Steam is antimilitary.
     
  21. Zilpha

    Zilpha TS Enthusiast Posts: 349

    Well you might want to call them and explain the situation. It's not their fault you didn't check the availability.



    This is false. I played Oblivion, Fallout 3, and New Vegas last week, all offline. If you are having a problem them unplug from the internet. If it senses a connection, it will try to validate. If it doesn't, it will ask you if you want offline mode.

    You people are acting like Bethesda broke into your houses and stole your computers. DRM didn't just happen because companies wanted to be mean; it happened because companies were sick of people with attitudes like this stealing their work.
     
  22. We pay the same price at WalMart as we do through Steam. Bethesda makes alot more partnered with Steam per copy. Are the DLCs even available on disk? They used to be called Expansions. Every time I start FO:NV Bethesda has another chance to sell me a ten dollar add-on - no burning cds, no printing, no packaging, no shipping, no warehousing. With Steam handling Customer Service issues for them by locking people out of all their games, won't some people meekly go along to get along? I'd bet Bethesda can sell half of the number of copies of the basic game through Steam as they would through a traditional retailer, and still make more money. When the Steam server would not allow FO:NV to start for several hours on the Virginia earthquake day (it began a few hours before the earth shook), I was mad, but most people would not even know this happened. Since then, Steam has worked fine for me and I'm over it. When a purchasing agent puts copies of this game on a military base where it is impossible to install and play, no doubt Bethesda takes a hit, but again, it is a small group affected. Bethesda is making alot more with Steam. This would be easier if these games were not so good. BTW, how do you aim a weapon with a console controller? Tell me I can't use my tracball - now that's a deal breaker!
     
  23. It only serves to remind me of yet another of the many reasons as to why I don't bother with games these days...

    DRM only hits the paying user - pirates will always find ways around steam activation or any other copy protection mechanism. The whole idea of DRM is to deter casual copying - i.e. some kid installing the same game on two PCs and playing against his friend. To me it's ludicrous that the kid should be expected to buy two copies... it's a stupid as having two DVD players in your house and buying the same movie twice in order to watch it on both of them... it's not acceptable there, yet it is acceptable for gamers... this is because gamers are mostly kids/young adults and they tend to get screwed over time and time again, whinge and complain about it and then come back for more of the same. Sad.
     
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