Fallout: New Vegas will use Steam for DRM

Look folks. STEAM is there only for advertising more games and getting your money that way. Not for stopping piracy. This game was cracked in five hours. ANYONE can just go and download it for free if they want. STEAM is there to make more money. For this reason I ain't buying but giving them the finger ! I ain't playing either. Just not worth it after this trick. Lost respect towards them.

i dont see whats wrong with steam. i dont need an internet connection on to play every time, right?

While I agree, Steam is not a full proof DRM solution. I would rather that companies jump on board with Steam, than some of the other craptastic ideas they have had recently. Yes Steam can be a pain to install with sometimes. But overall, I can learn to live with this.

As for you not buying the game because they use Steam. This sounds to me more as a cop out then any real truth. Just admit that you do not want to pay for the game because you are cheap. Steam is not so bad that it is a deal breaker, and since there are ways around it, what is the big deal for you?

I think this "Steam" thing is a load of rubbish!!! Not only do you pay alot for the game, it does not install, then Steam wants to download 7GB of data even though all the data is on the disk. What a load of absolute SH!T!!!!!!!!! I am so pissed off and disappointed. I really enjoyed Fallout 3. Pity someone had this STUPID idea. Perhaps we should use V.A.T.S and shoot them in the head!!!!

"I can only conclude that some of you are about 12 years of age. Its an insult to have to verify who you are and that you own it? ...really? well guess what kiddies. when you grow up, you have to verify who you are and ownership for just about everything but a church dinner.
I suppose then you would not want the bank to "insult the customer" and "treat them like a criminal" by asking Joe blow for verification that they are the owner of the checking account when they walk in and try to withdraw on your account then?...or running around with your credit cards?"

Wow, you're not even remotely interested in taking what I said into context, are you? This is not a checking account. Your comparison is *****ic at best. It isn't even remotely applicable because verifying your checking account information is about protecting the customer. DRM is about abusing the customer under the guise of protecting the company. No, I'm not 12-years old. Your irrelevant comparison leads me to believe that you may be, though. In fact, I am in favor of freedom from *unnecessary* restrictions. That's why I won't be buying this, but I might buy a few games from Gog.com instead. Older games, but you have freedom.

I just tried Steam to see if it wasn't so bad, and at first I started to change my mind, but I have to say, the guy who said "Steam is like the rapist who uses condoms and lube and pats you on the head afterwards. You still just got assraped." pretty much got it right.

assraped"? really? okay ...13 years of age. The fact is bozo, they have a right to protect their work from being ripped off. and as a 12 year old, you come up with "assraped" while being pissed off at the people who are tired of having their product stolen, rather than the people who pirate software and bring the industry to its current form of DRM. If you want to be pissed off, it should be at the people who are stealing the software. BTW, it is about protecting the customer as well. From higher software prices,busy servers, poor customer service, lower profits and less development budget. Theft cost's the PURCHASING consumer. Just like a checking account. What you were bitching about was having to verify ownership and identity, so once more, you have to do that constantly in life...which you will know when you grow up.

screw steam i was wondering if i buy the game whether i could download a crack to to activate it or if theres any other way to bypass steam to activate cause my problem is i use a pay as you go usb so obviously its expensive if i need to to download 7 gbs of data its like approx 40 extra dollars.
aqny ideas??

wont buy this game because of the online activation, there should be more options to varify.
my rig will NOT be put online, thats what the shitty laptop is for.
if i buy a hard copy, single player game i expect to be able to play it "from the box".
never bought a pirate game, might consider it now.

i agree with guest above

online activation for a local game??? WANK!!!
My money is going elsewhere
chew turds Bethesda

Everyone saying that a company has a right to keep its product from being pirated is missing one very important fact: DRM does practically nothing to keep a game from being pirated. There is no DRM that has not been cracked. All that it does is penalize the legitimate customer, and as a result it frequently drives away customers who would have otherwise paid for the product.

At best, DRM keeps the pirates from uploading the game for a day or two (even this is very rare; 95+% of games are cracked within hours of becoming available). This may, admittedly, result in increased sales in some rare cases, as some people who would pirate otherwise can afford to pay for the game and are too impatient to wait an extra day for it, but the vast majority of pirates don't fall into those categories; they are either too poor or too cheap to pay for the game. Moreover, in most cases these day-one sales will be offset by people who don't buy the game (either pirating it or simply not playing it) out of objection to DRM. Fallout 3 sold quite well on PC, and it had very minimal DRM, just a disc check. Do you really think that the number sales would have increased if it had used, say, Starforce or SecuROM for DRM? I doubt it; the bad associations that immediately come to mind for most people who are familiar with them ensure that many would opt not to buy it.

And for those who believe that people are just whining because they don't want to have to pay for the game - which, to reiterate, doesn't make sense because every game since the advent of DRM has been cracked, STEAM games included - I'm almost certainly going to receive Fallout: New Vegas for Christmas. I actually would have bought it a while ago, except that I just finished putting together a new gaming computer and have very few other things to ask from my loved ones for Christmas, and they insist upon getting me something. And when I get it, the first thing I'll do is tuck it away somewhere and start torrenting. Because, believe it or not, there are legitimate customers out there who are simply fed up with DRM and other recent practices among gaming companies, who pay for games whose boxes we'll never open. We torrent games primarily for one of two reasons:

1) It allows us to play the game without dealing with the hassle, invasiveness, or unreliability of DRM. In the case of STEAM, concerns range from being able to play on computers with no Internet access; to the possibility of the server being hacked or going down - temporarily or permanently; to disagreeing with aspects of the subscriber agreement; to concerns about customer service (see the first October 20 poster above for an example); to preferring to have physical copies; to limitations related to other aspects of STEAM such as not being able to roll back to earlier patches in order to use mods incompatible with more recent patches or features that were later removed. (Obviously, not all of these are applicable in the case of FO:NV.)

2) Since companies have an unfortunate tendency not to release demos anymore - I suspect that this is because they've come to realize that demos are likely to result more sales lost than gained, seeing as generally only people who are already interested in the game will use them - we play downloaded copies for a short period in order to make an informed decision about whether to purchase a game. Reviews, no matter how trusted the source, can only tell you so much; only by experiencing the game for yourself can you make a good determination about whether or not it has enjoyable gameplay, will run smoothly and relatively glitch-free on your hardware setup, etc.

those that dont have internet connection can always cross fingers and hope the goty edition will be patched up and "play from the box"
hearing that a new elder scrolls is being made, lets hope that game isnt infected with DRM.
c'mon Bethesda, read and hear what the customer is saying as "the customer is always right".

my fingers are well and truly crossed!!!

wanted this game, not now.
hope santa knows to knock it off my list.
this move was made by **** bandits, you aint touching my virgin bottom!

any news on wether they will release this as a play from the box yet ???
i mean, now that its classed as an older game, you would have thought they would consider it now so c'mon, some of us still want to play !!!

I just bought new vegas, waited for it to go on sale. to my utter disappointment, after removing the plastic like a *****, i found that this uses steam. it would be fine to have some sort of online activation, whatever. steam is better than starforce or ubisoft's other neatness. but it still holds your games hostage. i installed over 2 hours ago, waiting for the game to force-update before i can play. that's what pisses me off the most, forced to download a 350 mb update after buying the disc. i bought the disc because i pay by amt of throughput. {)1c|<5

I just got the game for christmas and tried to install on a Vista. Did not realize it was going through Steam to install, and immediately ran into a permissions issue with Steam updating a file. Resolved that and continued to install. Game installed fine, but then I went to play it and got the message that Steam servers were all too busy. All I want in a game is to be able to install and play it offline. If I had realized up front what was involved, I would have immediately returned the game. I will advise everyone I know to avoid this game for the extra hassle it brings with it...

I bought two separate PC games as Christmas gifts for my sons. They installed the games on two different computers and were required to activate the games through STEAM. Unfortunately they used the same steam account and subsequently one can not play his game on a different computer while the other is using his game on a completely different PC.

Complaint 1: Steam will not allow us to change this and put the games on separate accounts.

Complaint 2: Steam does not allow you to re-sell the game to recover your cost if you do not like the game or decide you no longer want it. It is inexorably linked to the original account which is
not transferrable. These restrictions not only seem abusive, but inherently unfair. The second complaint also undermines the prospect of re-sale and may constitute restraint of trade. This effectively renders the product valueless for re-sale.

I tried to resolve this issue with their customer service department. Here is their reply, made to me by e-mail:

“Hello, A staff member has replied to your question: Hello Tom, The buying, selling or trading of Steam accounts, games or CD keys is a violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. Steam games cannot be transferred between users. We will not be able to assist you.

The Steam Subscriber Agreement can be found at: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=subscriber_agreement Anytime you wish you can view your question online......."

I did not buy these items from steam. What does selling them have to do with steam. How is steam involved with that? Somebody eplain how this is fair.

well i find it interestng , of all my games oblivion, fallout3 etc, the first steam game i purchase flops. I have spent 64 minutes of play in 2 weeks of trying to get it playing withiut something wrong. I tend to like audio in my game. back to piracy to "try" my games first. tahnks Bethesda for tha anal probe.

lets hope mass effect 3 and the new elder scrolls arnt foooked over like this game was, lets hope WE aint fooooked over again.