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FBI ran active child porn site for two weeks to identify pedophiles

By Jesse
May 29, 2013
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  1. VitalyT

    VitalyT TS Evangelist Posts: 1,973   +587


    If we compare drug trafficking to hunt for pedophiles, then the dealers should be those who create content for pedophiles (websites and videos), while pedophiles themselves would be next to drug users, as both things denote sickness. However, while nobody gives a f### about junkies, everyone is up to go man-hunt on pedophiles. Do you not find this hypocritical?
     
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  2. lipe123

    lipe123 TS Guru Posts: 467   +85

    pedos hurt others
    dealers hurt others

    Junkies mess themselves up, big difference. Your "end user" argument does not work. It's not about what they are its about the intent to harm others.
    And dealers and traffickers are being targeted just as much as pedos are.

    I also made no comparison between the crimes I made a comparison of how law enforcement needs to break the law sometimes to get the criminals.

    Seriously don't understand why anyone is complaining about this, I guess "freedom" means you should be able to molest kids and post pics of it online as long as you don't get caught! and the only way to get caught is if you turn yourself in because God forbid someone violates your "privacy" to bring to light horrendous crimes.

    F****K privacy, if you are not breaking the law what do you have to hide?!
     
  3. VitalyT

    VitalyT TS Evangelist Posts: 1,973   +587

    This is where we have a big problem... The government must never break the law, or the law will be worth nothing. I'm not an American, but I respect the American history that teaches about the freedom in its true meaning, and not twisted as one sees fit. The FBI actions described in this article are about violation of law, probably covered under ambiguity of the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law, if they bothered at all.

    Also, sayings like "some freedoms must be sacrificed for the greater good" is a precursor to tyranny.
     
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  4. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Posts: 692   +48

    I'm glad they got them, but how they went about it im not sure. I'm sure a lot of the photos were shared and are all over the internet which isn't good either especially if that was your kid.
     
  5. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,184   +177

    And what if someone in the FBI was one of those sicko's?
     
  6. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,184   +177

    That's all well and good... IF the lawmakers are trust worthy. The problem is abuse of power. When has the FBI or Police or x organisation not taken their powers and gone too far? Or stored private information on insecure systems? Or something else stupid?

    I'll tell you what. You give me your credit card info, your DOB, name, address, phone number, dog and cat names, first born child and trust me to keep that all safe for you. What? That's stupid? You don't even know me. EXACTLY my point!

    With privacy, you have the right to protect your own private data. If you do something wrong, *then* you can forfeit rights to privacy.
     
  7. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,968   +738

    Nope. That doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Paedophiles create content for paedophiles.
    From the article:
    You think that the 5,600 paedophiles are passive in this context? That some people other than 5,600 in this group are responsible for creating this content? Are you under the assumption that these people posting questions including

    ...are doing so for purely academic reasons ?

    The analogy you're making is actually closer to drug dealers who also use their product.

    Nope. Junkies are indulging in a drawn out suicide attempt. The crime of being a user in of itself only affects the user- it's the ancillary crime associated with it (theft, violence, fraud) that is usually punished - the welfare cost is more down to the social construct of the country/state.
    Paedophilia obviously perpetrates crime directly against others...unless you're of the opinion that paedophiliac content is produced entirely by photoshopping or willing participants in countries with extremely lax consent laws.
     
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  8. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,406   +1,593

    The law is already worth nothing.

    Protecting personal rights of those who do not share the same sentiments. You cannot protect an enemy and expect not to be bitten. But yet by law, thats what we have been doing for decades.
     
  9. Emexrulsier

    Emexrulsier TS Enthusiast Posts: 241   +7

    It should have simply been taken down and not used as a method of entrapment. I would have lol'd if some over government took the fbi to court for hosting indecent material :D
     
  10. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,184   +177

    TBH surely there was a tonne of IPs logged and usable info already on the server that they could use to monitor or take people down with? They should have been passively monitoring before they took over anyway to get sufficient evidence.
     
  11. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 3,423   +822

    Then he get's the treatment as well.
     
     
  12. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,406   +1,593

    There is no need in worrying about something that never happens. Thats why we have such things as "Internal Cover Ups". If it is never reported, it never happens. It's for the greater good of mankind this way.

    Doesn't that sound allot like the movies we watch? I can't help but wonder how much is actually true.
     
  13. Dude.. this has been done so many times in "real" life.

    False Prostitutes
    False Drug Dealers
    False Thief (Infiltrated).

    So it can be done in real life but not online? If you are not going to make a bomb, buy drugs or share pedophile pictures, dont worry.
     
  14. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    No, but at less than 2 pictures per poster, it doesn't sound like their hearts were really in it.


    Yeah, yeah I know! I eagerly await your angry cards and letters.......:oops:
     
  15. danhodge

    danhodge TS Rookie Posts: 80   +13

    Pointless argument going on here to be honest. Whether you like it or not, the police/FBI/whatever other organizations are governed by different laws to us.
    Well, not exactly, but they have so many exceptions and 'loopholes' that it may as well be.

    If they didn't have this power, their ability to protect and enforce the law would be severely hindered. If they weren't allowed to carry a gun (using the UK as an example), they wouldn't be able to stop armed gunmen. If they were limited by the speed limit, they would have to let everyone get away.

    And if they weren't allowed to use smart, dirty tactics like this, there would be more pieces of dirt in the streets than there already are :)
     
  16. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,968   +738

    You can probably blame mainstream television programming (and the kids-as-pedigree-dog shows) for muscling the DIY'ers out of business.
     
  17. Nope Junkies hurt themselves. Pedos hurt others
     
  18. Ummm 5,600...
     
  19. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    Yeah well, let's take a moment to thank the US Congress, God, and the FCC for digital 16:9 aspect television.

    Trouble is, now we need Cinemascope @ 2:35:1:00 , to get ":Honey Boo-Boo" and her cow of a mother in the same shot.

    If pedophilia causes you to be infatuated with genetic and cultural cesspools like those two, thank God I don't suffer from it.

    In any event, they seen to render me a bit impotent. Perhaps if that's the case with enough other males in my demographic, maybe the makers of "Viagara", and "The Other S***", will buy ad space on the "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo Show".

    All of this musing about obese, mouthy, 7 year olds, prompts me to quote this ancient adage which I just penned about a half hour ago; "an ounce of Honey Boo-Boo, is worth a pound of chemical castration".

    Edit: The other s*** is "Cialis". That just came to me, in a manner of speaking.;)
     
  20. p51d007

    p51d007 TS Booster Posts: 350   +54

    Best thing they could do, but obviously won't, would be to list the names & email addresses of those on that site to the media, Facebook, Twitter, and let nature
    take its course!
     
  21. spydercanopus

    spydercanopus TS Guru Posts: 802   +87

    The feds have been running child sex slave rings for decades. Those at the pinnacle of power are at the right hand of Satan.

    It sounds wild, I know... but listen:

    http://youtu.be/zPFyMyhExxY
     
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    Given your "eloquent" run up to it, you've managed to post a link I'm actually afraid to click on....:eek:

    Oh never mind, I'll watch it from here.
     
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  23. Vifee

    Vifee TS Rookie

    I am almost certain I know the website in question. It was a *chan type imageboard, same deal as 4chan, and hosted on the tor network. IP addresses and the like would be meaningless proxies of proxies, and the entire system is designed from the ground up to make its users untraceable. I'm not even sure what they'll be able to do with the exit node, I suppose they could have put a virus on the website that would phone home, but tor browsers run noscript as a matter of course.
     
  24. unloco101

    unloco101 TS Rookie

    This is a very short article guys, how could you skim it or just read the headline, and post with such confidence. I am surprised by the comments stating that the FBI created a child porn to catch criminals. The FBI seized a child porn site and the information gathered from the monitoring and seizure was not enough to find the members. They then allowed the site to continue to run to witness and capture information on the users. There is no entrapment or immoral acts going on here. I highly doubt the FBI would set themselves up for court dismissal in such a way.
    No one placed a honey-pot. The site was already there, the members were already active, the FBI just let it operate for a short period to gather evidence on the user-base, which IMO should be publicly executed.
     
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  25. unloco101

    unloco101 TS Rookie

    The drug dealer/junkie analogy and how it does not hold ground. IF you can hypothetically legalize both acts for the sake of argument, you can see the differences.

    o- If America legalized all drugs, it could become a profitable business where no one gets hurt except the end-user of the drugs (aside from DWI and similar cases). Alcohol and cigarettes are already legal and proof of this argument.

    o- If America legalized child pornography, children would still be abused and the end-user would not be hurt. The end-user in this case also promotes the abuse of MORE children by using the content which is glorification of child sexual abuse. Any monetary exchange in this hypothetical situation would then be PAYING for someone to conduct these acts.

    Not sure how or WHY you are comparing the two groups as similar.
     


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