Few questions regarding gaming PC build

[slh28]

However regarding the motherboards, I will probably not go with a K CPU but according to my friend I might still want to go with the Z87 one since it has a PCI 3.0x16 , which will work better with my GPU if its a PCI 3.0x16 GPU and be able to cram out a few extra %s out of the card.

That's false information, the Gigabyte H87M-HD3 is also PCI-E 3.0 x16. If you're running a single GPU there will be no difference.

 

[Obzoleet]

That's false information, the Gigabyte H87M-HD3 is also PCI-E 3.0 x16. If you're running a single GPU there will be no difference.

Ok, Thanks!

Ill just go for the H87 HD3 then instead and safe a few bucks
Now I just really need AMD to release their bundles

 

[Obzoleet]

Okay so I recently had a look at AMDs next gen cards and I think I got my final build >

AMD R9 290X
Intel Core i5 4570
Gigabyte H87M-HD3
8GB Corsair 1600mhz Vengeance
Samsung 120GB 840
500GB S-ATAIII
CM Storm Stryker case
600W Corsair CX

I have no idea where the price on the R9 290X will land but I want it!

So if nothing changes until the card is released this is the build I will go with.


My budget for this build is roughly around 1100£

When I started this thread it was a 750£ budget hehe.

All the parts except the R9 290X will cost 650£ allowing me to put around 450£ on the card.

If the card happen to be cheaper I will most likely invest the money in either a cooler for the graphic card, or more SSD space.

Do you know if there is any AMD cooler that will fit the next generation AMD cards?

If until then you find something that can be worth having a look at please let me know since I really want to make sure I am making a good build here.

I am very excited about this build

 

[hellokitty[hk]]

You shouldn't need to buy a separate cooler for the card.
Sounds pretty decent.
I'm guessing you're not in the US since you're using euros but if you were to buy all of this stuff in the US, but I'd guess you can easily get it for over $100 USD cheaper than what you have listed. I'm not sure if those prices are normal or high.

 

[Obzoleet]

You shouldn't need to buy a separate cooler for the card.
Sounds pretty decent.

Alright, I just heard that the normal CPU cooler that comes with AMD cards isn't that great at all, and that a cooler can reduce the heat of the card which in turn makes sure it doesn't have to work as hard which in turn reduces the noise of the card?

Regarding the prices, I was first thinking of purchasing the parts from amazon and install it myself since I couldn't find a single UK site that was cheaper, it all just seemed like they charged several hundreds just to assemble the computer.

Then I found dinopc.co.uk , they were even cheaper then amazon in pricing + they would assemble it so I decided to order it from them instead, and then just order the card separately.

It might just be a price difference in US and UK, after all you are big country U S and A , it should be cheap

Do you think I should buy more fans for the case perhaps? any finetuning that I can do to improve overall?

 

[hellokitty[hk]]

Firstly the cards are not even out yet so no one knows if the AMD reference card coolers are any good or not. But it's a fair chance that they're not very good.
However you won't be able to buy a card from AMD as a consumer, you're going to get it from a third party.
They'll usually package it in a their own cooler design.

Anyway just post again when the cards along with some reviews are out.
BTW you have a bit of a wait.

 

[Obzoleet]

Firstly the cards are not even out yet so no one knows if the AMD reference card coolers are any good or not. But it's a fair chance that they're not very good.
However you won't be able to buy a card from AMD as a consumer, you're going to get it from a third party.
They'll usually package it in a their own cooler design.

Anyway just post again when the cards along with some reviews are out.
BTW you have a bit of a wait.

Yeah its probably over a month at least. until then I guess ill just save money and watch for better offers

Am kinda hoping to buy a BF4 bundle with this, but according to the info release atm ( which is not much ) you have to preorder it to get the BF4 bundle.

Apparently you can pre order it already the 3rd October...but id probably wait until the card is released or near released before I decide where to purchase it.

So maybe at late October / early November if I am lucky

 

[slh28]

Had a look on DinoPC and was pleasantly surprised, they were only £30 more than if you bought the components on Amazon yourself.

I'd change the SSD to the 256GB Plextor M5S which seems to be very good value at only £50 more than the 120GB Samsung 840.

 

[Obzoleet]

Had a look on DinoPC and was pleasantly surprised, they were only £30 more than if you bought the components on Amazon yourself.

I'd change the SSD to the 256GB Plextor M5S which seems to be very good value at only £50 more than the 120GB Samsung 840.

Oh, when I calculated it was a few pounds cheaper then amazon actually, maybe I calculated something wrong Or are you using the UK amazon or US and A one? maybe there are price differences

That does sound like a good deal, I will see, I have 450£ to put on the GPU, if I get any money over from it I will put it into the bigger SSD,

I kinda chose the Samsung 840 since I heard much good about, but if I get enough money I will go with your advice, thanks!

 

[Obzoleet]

Is the motherboard I have chosen weak ?

Gigabyte H87M-HD3

A friend has pointed out that its an ok motherboard that will make my components work, but work slow.

Is there any other Motherboard in the same pricerange that will make my computer work faster? :O

 

[hellokitty[hk]]

A friend has pointed out that its an ok motherboard that will make my components work, but work slow.

That's just not true it's going to have about a 0% effect on performance.

 

[slh28]

The difference in performance in motherboards is only noticeable if you're overclocking, running multiple GPUs, have tonnes of add on cards, etc. If you look at motherboard reviews you'll usually see a 0-1% difference (I.e. testing error) in the results.

It seems your friend gives you a lot of information which isn't backed up by anything...

 

[Obzoleet]

The difference in performance in motherboards is only noticeable if you're overclocking, running multiple GPUs, have tonnes of add on cards, etc. If you look at motherboard reviews you'll usually see a 0-1% difference (I.e. testing error) in the results.

It seems your friend gives you a lot of information which isn't backed up by anything...

Okay that's good to know, So my current one is solid enough for this build?

Thanks for takin time with this, I would be clueless if it weren't for you guys

 

[hellokitty[hk]]

Slh28 is completely right, the higher end motherboards are more expensive because of the chipset, extra VRMs, more bios options, wifi add ins, PCIe bandwidth add ins, SATA port add ins, and other types of things that enhance.
In no way are the lower end barebones boards gimped, they work fine as well you'll just miss out on some (needless) features.

In fact Haswell has a sort of integrated VRMs so actually the motherboard doesn't even have a big impact on overclockability anymore.

 

[Obzoleet]

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Slh28 is completely right, the higher end motherboards are more expensive because of the chipset, extra VRMs, more bios options, wifi add ins, PCIe bandwidth add ins, SATA port add ins, and other types of things that enhance.
In no way are the lower end barebones boards gimped, they work fine as well you'll just miss out on some (needless) features.

In fact Haswell has a sort of integrated VRMs so actually the motherboard doesn't even have a big impact on overclockability anymore.

Alright, I was abit worried there!

Im not even going to look in to change any more parts really, I will basically just wait for the AMD R9 290X to release so I know if I should go for it or any other card.... Right now I kinda just want to preorder it the 3rd October and be done with it...but the more rational side of me wants to wait to see if there is anything that provides me more bang for buck then that card....

Would the R9 290X be a good choice? Ive been told to get the 7970GE instead....

 

[hellokitty[hk]]

Nobody knows you'll have to be patient.

 

[GhostRyder]

If your fine with waiting, grab the 290X, theres going to be a huge power bump so you can expect better performance compared to a 7970GE, plus if nothing else and you decide to grab 7970GE, the price will have come down again and you can swipe maybe a pair or trio for dirt cheap.

As for your motherboard, its just fine, just save the bucks if you don't want to overclock. However if you want to do CFX eventually, you may want to make sure you have 2 PCIE-3.0 slots at at least 8 8 in CFX mode since the new GPU no longer contains a CFX bridge on it.

Though I notice the board you selected does not support CFX or SLI because its only got 1 PCIE-3.0, I would suggest just waiting, seeing if you can get it, and grabbing a 290X GPU since you have mentioned wanting one over a 7970GE.

 

[Obzoleet]

If your fine with waiting, grab the 290X, theres going to be a huge power bump so you can expect better performance compared to a 7970GE, plus if nothing else and you decide to grab 7970GE, the price will have come down again and you can swipe maybe a pair or trio for dirt cheap.

As for your motherboard, its just fine, just save the bucks if you don't want to overclock. However if you want to do CFX eventually, you may want to make sure you have 2 PCIE-3.0 slots at at least 8 8 in CFX mode since the new GPU no longer contains a CFX bridge on it.

Though I notice the board you selected does not support CFX or SLI because its only got 1 PCIE-3.0, I would suggest just waiting, seeing if you can get it, and grabbing a 290X GPU since you have mentioned wanting one over a 7970GE.

My mind is set on not overclocking, and only having 1 powerful GPU really.

I don't really mind waiting...atleast not a little...

I would however want to pre order the BF4 edition the 3rd of October...im just abit torn since I don't know if it will be worth it

 

[Obzoleet]

I have decided...I will buy the R9 290X...and if its a bad choice I will refuse to admit my error...I will defend my choice to death ...

 

[Obzoleet]

Update -

I am getting second thoughts and some doubts...instead of pre ordering the R9 290X I am considering waiting until Nvidia cuts their prices in November and then buying the R9 290X when they (hopefully) cut the price on it.

Do you think they will lower the price after Nvidia lower their prices?

 

[cliffordcooley]

Do you think they will lower the price after Nvidia lower their prices?

I wouldn't bank on it. Not unless there is a huge price gap which I highly doubt nVidia would make. Playing the waiting game can be a bit repetitious, and there is always regret wishing you had waited shortly after.

 

[Obzoleet]

I wouldn't bank on it. Not unless there is a huge price gap which I highly doubt nVidia would make. Playing the waiting game can be a bit repetitious, and there is always regret wishing you had waited shortly after.

If feels like I have played the waiting game for too long and if I continue I am scared that I will forever be caught in the waiting game since there is always something that just might be worth waiting for.... -.-

I guess the pre order price will have to decide...if its over ....750$ then I wont go for it until later

Oh and also,

Is it in any way dangerous to place a smaller GPS device in my case?

As you might figure out this would be for anti theft purposes (I live in a shady area) and just want to make sure ^^

 

[Ranger12]

If feels like I have played the waiting game for too long and if I continue I am scared that I will forever be caught in the waiting game since there is always something that just might be worth waiting for.... -.-

Wait a sec.... are we talking about dating here or computers...

 

[Obzoleet]

Wait a sec.... are we talking about dating here or computers...

Probably both, I am not sure ! :O

 

[GhostRyder]

Personally, im keeping my 6990 pair for a bit longer now since I got a 9590 on the board now (Got it for cheap considering its price on newegg of 700) and I don't feel like grabbing the new ivy bridge-E chips. The reason for this is simply the fact that the 290X uses the PCI-E 3.0 to handle CFX now instead of the bridge, so im worried how well its going to work on a 2.0 system.

As for you, I think your making the smart move of waiting on prices, because depending on how low either GPU sell for and the benchmarks that will be run in the real world once the card is released, we cant make a complete judgment at this time. Personally, based on the specs and all, the 290X is probably going to be the best Single GPU money can buy, but its all going to depend again on the price.

However, based on pricing of the BF4 Edition of the card running in at $730 US, you can assume that the range for a basic reference card will be in the range of 600-699 (My bets at the 650 mark personally).