Firefox temp internet files, cookies, & history folders.

Lithiumdeuterid.

Kid's don't always download porn. I know because I'm a teenager. I don't download porn, and the thought of it disgusts me. Religion was invented by God, not by some nuts. And you don't believe in God, you are one of the 2% in America who thinks that way.

Of course. But how does this make the Bible contradict itself? Have we all performaed a mortal sin on not being aware that the symbols we user are stylised pictures of God's creation?

Tasteful indeed.. http://www.rotten.com/library/culture/pornography/ (I'm terribly sorry for this, not supposed to post such links)

Please go ask your English teacher. I would tell you to find it out yourself, but you consistently fail at that.

Conveniently ignoring half of my sentence?

The point is, these are PC tech forums. Virtually all your posts here are hostile and demeaning towards other members, not to mention they have nothing to do with computers. You are free to have your attitude - just like we are entitled to have a negative attutude towards impolite self-centered troll wannabes.

I agree.. Too bad it took you weeks of bad attempts to finally manage a coherent and sensible statement.

All I'm saying about the bible is that it's full of contradictions. If you take it literally, then bible condemns itself as a "graven image". What kind of set of laws declares itself unjust? It only goes to show that the bible was made by fallible humans who didn't notice all the contradictions they were writing. And by extension, some parts of the bible are outdated because humans have changed over time.

You are correct in that not all rhetorical questions need question marks. However, this is not a polite imperative (such as "Would you look at that."), so I think it still needs a question mark.

I don't find the images on that page you linked to offensive at all. It's just art (excluding the pixellated stick figures) from ancient civilizations that happened to be more open and comfortable with sex than we are. If you're going to condemn sex, you may as well condemn all life on earth.

How could I possibly have ignored half of your sentence? The entire sentence was "This attitude will get you banned soon." It's a very short sentence. I'm pretty sure I understood what it meant. It means I will get banned for having "this attitude", which I assume is an argumentative one. Of course I'm argumentative. Argument is the only way to find out which ideas are good and which aren't. Are you advocating that everyone stop arguing?

So I ask: Will my attitudes actually get me banned, or were you just threatening me to get me to shut up?

"Too bad it took you weeks of bad attempts to finally manage a coherent and sensible statement." Now who's being demeaning? And really, you can't expect instantaneous agreement. My posts are coherent, and so are yours. The fact that we happen to disagree does not preclude the possibility of at least understanding the other guy's point of view. If you aren't comfortable with arguments longer than 3 posts, you shouldn't argue at all.

Hammer Time !

Porn is good. It keeps us from attacking women in the street

No, you were saying the latter and that what I was disputing.

So "pWn3d!" is an argumentative expression? And I, im my ultimate sillyness thought it was something little arrogant boys say when they think they have accomplished something (usually not) or have succeeded (in their opinion) in proving their "superiority" (AKA l33tness).. My sincere apologies. I am always looking for ways to improve my English and I thank you for this insight.

Yes, I see now.. It is all polite, well thought out, coherent and definitely not offensive to anyone.

So it's the old "Abuse! Abuse!" trick to gain immunity?
First: I sincerely hope you understand that I just could not impose any sanctions against you unless you did something that was a serious violation of the forum rules. The reasons are obvious, look up things like "morals" and "ethics" and "integrity".
Second: I couldn't do anything because I am not the moderator MS&U part of TS forums.
Third: I couldn't ban you because, frankly, I don't even have sufficient privileges to ban people.

You're saying the bible is not a graven image, despite being composed of symbols evolved from pictures? I think the bible-writers were just confused humans trying to make sense of the world while securing their place in the social hierarchy.

It's true that "pwn3d" was an immature thing to say. But it was only one word out of hundreds. The rest of the post wasn't like that.

I don't see anything impolite about that phrase. I used some asterisks in place of a supposedly "bad" word, and the rest of it was just an explanation of what would happen if the parent was in a parallel situation.

Which brings me to another point: You can't get rid of bad words without getting rid of bad thoughts. If you eliminated the words, new words would spring up with the same meaning. Getting rid of bad thoughts is impossible, so why try to get rid of bad words? I think all words are useful, even the "bad" ones. One more example of how repressed we are.

I'm only trying to gain immunity insofar as being allowed to make my point, even if you find it offensive. Anyway, I don't see what's so offensive. Is it because I've acted in a genuinely mean-spirited way? Or is it because I've challenge your "morals, ethics, and integrity"?

I found a new extension for FireFox called Quick Note...it's really quite handy.

Something like the Notes feature that has been built into Opera since 2003?

I like Opera as well. It was on my test bench machine for years...but i have FireFox on the other 3 machines.

Observer

I have read every post in this thread and apologize in advance that my comments are not more directed to technical issues... seeing as this site is techspot.com. This is an interesting discussion and I would like to continue the discourse if it could be further permitted.

This all began with a father who wanted to keep tabs on his son's internet use. We don't know how old he (the son) is, nor do we have any history on this particular family situation. Therefore, everything we discuss is applicable only as a generalized and unspecific approach to the graphic content of the internet, specifically pornography. In other words, let's leave the Bible out of it please.

I've seen beheadings at ogrish.com. I have clicked on more porn sites before the age of 18 than after. My perceptions on violence and women are not unhealthy or innappropriate in the least; they were necessary exposures to what is in no short supply in the rest of the sick and f**ked up world. Parents (and really everyone with a computer,) should understand that the internet is not going away any time soon. It is a new drug, the new gross fixation of our country and the world. It is full of as much potential and as much poision as the society from which is was birthed. Yea, you may want to monitor your son's whack-off habits. But if you know your children -- like a decent, intelligent, respectible parent should -- then the internet is not going to come between you. Take it from someone who had some controling parents. A kid will end up making the decisions that he finds to be the best ones, whether you monitor your temp files for titty shots or staple an RFID to his earlobe. Whatever "evil" a parent places outside the accepted circle of behavoir, usually becomes more and more sought after by the kid anyway. What YOU as the PARENT should be concerned about is what kind of role model YOU are for your KID, not how much porn he watches. Being a good human being, and in turn a good parent, far outweighs how tightly you tie your punitive noose around your kids neck.

To bring this back to focus, concerning the internet and site monitoring, should the original poster -- the father who got bored and left -- decide to throw all the good advice out the window and keep regular tabs on how many chicken-chokes his son manages per minute, try to be discrete. Chances are that the average sexually curious teenager is not incorporating a fixation with violence with his online sexual curiosity. Assuming a parent has not seriously f**ked up at this point, a well-rounded, sane person will not find any satisfaction or interest in these things to begin with. Meddling in the sexual development of an adolescent or pubescent boy by confronting him about his porn habits (which already bears a substantial amount of guilt for a young teen) should be kept to the necessary minimum, that is unless you'd like to see him on one of those kiddy-porn rape sites one day.

Good luck, Pops, wherever you are...

I'm glad to see not everyone is hopelessly Puritanical about sex (and personal privacy, for that matter).

Parents are responsible for their kids. They are in charge of every aspect of their kids lives. They are the ones responsible for their kids thoughts and acts. Therfore, they should talk to their children about everything.


Newmy51, I hope you don't have children. And I pray that if you do, you will realize your folly, and change your views on porn. If you don't, your children will grow up to be rotten people, who may die from aids, or hiv. I hope that won't happen. And please keep your language clean.

Lithiumdeuterid, do you really think violence is worse than porn? And do you think violence is evil? I'm guessing you are a pacifist, and hate the military.

AIDs vs HIV and then some

Mr. Christian HIV leads to AIDS you die of AIDS not HIV it is not and either or thing.

I am 21 years old finishing my BSc in geophysics I have been dating the same girl for 2 years and intend to marry her shortly after we finish our degrees. I have looked at and ocasionally still look at porn it does not make me a rotten or unfaithful person. My parents howerver are like you in their beliefs and my Dad with a Masters in comp sci and BSc in Mathematics was probably better at logging stuff then you will ever will be. Having said that I spoofed my packets edited the regestry and cleared my trail so well he never clued in. The internet is just too hard to stop. I hope someday you have kids so they learn to sneak around you and build distrust, when my kids will be given trust and shown propper role modles. Sex before marriage is not bad it is a choice that should be taken seriously and if done, done safely. Giving your children the tools they need to make this choice is the job of the parents. Blocking them from the world only makes them unable to make this choice wisely. When they get free and they will, they will be more likely to get their 16 year cousin pregnant then anything else.

As for this stat you throw around 2% of Americans are atheist that is bull. Where the hell did you get those numbers in 2001 14.1% were Agnostic, Atheist or "no religion". No religion being agnostics who were not smart enought to know they wer agnostic. In Canada where only 44% of us believed that a personal god exists we have sex on average 2 years later in life then you guys do. So how treat your kids is more important then making them believe that if they have consenting smart sex they will burn forever.

Well I am back to studing for my final so I can make some money to support my future kids porn habits.

I thought this was TECHSPOT

If you want to talk bollocks - go to Yahoo Groups!

sex is good, porn is good, violence is good, death is good.

whats the meaning of life? To DIE

NOW PLEASE SHUT UP

1083175. Well I can prove you wrong. I am 17. I have been raised under the conditions I described, and I have no desire to look at porn, or be involved in any sexual activity. I won't have sex until I am married. And I don't sneak around my dad's back either. I intend to raise my kids in the same way, and hopefully have the same results. Apparently you have no idea what kids do. You should talk to some. And not having sex before marriage is the most awesome thing possible. My uncle was 46 when he got married (for the first and only time) and he was still a virgin. Sex before marriage is dangerous, and ruins your first adventure in marriage.

Change of tact

I see you do have a point not everyone looks at porn you certainly deny it and many others do as well. I would say that this has more to do with the way you were raised rather then the logger on your machine. Kids will get porn if they really want to some way or another. If you want to mold your kids diferently then example is a more powerful tool then stalking them on internet. For the same reson more and more kids are having sex at an earlier age Mom says no but has gone through three marraiges and has her boyfriend over every night. Presenting sex as a choice with both sides and with your example to guide them is what a parent is meant to do. My family will have loving parents teaching them what is right and wrong and a free internet after they get old enough to make up their own minds on issiues.

I recognize your sense in that, my parents trust me to use the internet for only good purposes, and I fulfill that trust. My parents have never divorced, and although I'm adopted, they trained my by example. I have no problems with the way you would train you kids, just with what you think is right. If you think porn is ok, I can't change your mind for you, I can only hope you will show your kids both sides of the issue, and let them choose. Good luck.

spartanslayer:

Yes, I really do think violence is worse than pornography. Most people (and every major religion) agrees with me on that. Violence, by definition, is dangerous. Porn is not dangerous. Violence begets violence. Porn only begets sex. If you can think of anything more damaging to a kid than violence, well, think again.

I suppose you think porn is 'sinful', right? Isn't violence a worse sin? "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the commandments. There's also the "Thou shalt not commit adultery" commandment, but porn is most definitely not adultery. The vast majority of porn stars aren't married, plus, you aren't actually having sex with them. The church may frown upon pornography, it's true. But I challenge you to show me where the bible actually says it's a bad thing.

You have no desire to have sex at all? What the hell have they DONE to you!? Destroying someone's sexual desire (it's been proven that even young children have sexual thoughts) is one of the most evil things you can do to them. Suppression of sexual desire is grossly unnatural and an abasement of everything that makes us human. I think your parents have really screwed you over, and I pity you.


1083175:

There is a character called a comma. Learn to use it. It's right next to the period key, and makes your sentences a whole lot more readable. Despite that, I agree with your points.


meatologist:

Conversations and arguments wander. It's part of the nature of communication. It would be very impractical to create new threads (or jump to entirely new message boards) every time the topic changed. If you don't want to read it, don't read it. Nobody's forcing you to. I don't know why you're even posting anything at all.

Lithiumdeuterid.
I didn't say I had no desire to have sex. Believe me I do. But I'm content to wait until I'm married. Also, the bible says not to murder. Violence isn't nescesarily murder. War is not murder. Self Defense is not murder. Are you saying the whole army is a bunch of murderers? You said porn begats sex. So are all of your kids going to have sex when they are 14? You need to think about that.

Please please, will one of the mods close this thread?

It`s been going on far too long, and is completely off topic.

Regards Howard