Gaming MB's vs CPU's

By Charles9510
Feb 5, 2009
  1. i want to upgrade my current system with new MB, CPU, Graphics card. now ive been researching and reading posts and have narrowed it down to 2 MB's. Asus formula and Asus maximus extreme gamers. A Radeon 4850 or 4870 or GTX 9800 graphic card.

    The CPU i havent a clue, no experience with them, although i have read some good things about Intel core 2.

    So my questions are: what is best out of these selections for gaming? Are they compatiable?

    What would a decent cpu be for these MB's.

    keep in mind im on a strict budget of $1000.00

    It may sound crazy to some of u but i mainly want to be able to play WOW and some other online games without lag and slow frame rates.
  2. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +9

    Core 2 Duo is your best choice... speed is up to you
    ASUS listed are good boards, but come with less instruction than some other models by other makers...
    Spend most of your money on a good graphics card. CPU can be less than perfect. Motherboard is critical... but not as critical as the graphics card.
  3. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

    What is your current system?

    You may not even need to upgrade your CPU or motherboard.
    Most likely, you will have to upgrade your graphics card, and a supporting powersupply.

    The 4850 and 4870 are both great choices, the (I assume you mean) 9800gtx is also a good card, but perhaps not quite as good as 4870.
  4. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    My current system is a Neo 2 Platium MB, Intel Dual core 2.4 ghz, Graphics card is a PNYGeForce 7600 ddr2 512MB AGP card. new BFG GS-650 500w PSU 20amp per rail. 2GB Ram
  5. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

  6. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    MB is MSI 865PE Neo2-P designed for intel Pentium 4 Northwood/Prescott (socket 478) processos. MS-6728 ATX MainBoard

    the othe ting i was refering to was geforce 9800gtx graphic card. Oh yea i almost forgot my onboard usb ports burnt out a while back. I mean u could actually smell it, so its got to go!

    I want a decent gaming system. Smoothe running, No lagging, fast frame rates, great graphics! something thats up to date
  7. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

    Do you know if you have 2 six pin power connectors for your powersupply, or what brand it is?

    If the motherboard is burnt out, i suppose you should replace it. So you have a pentium processor?

    I would recommend the ASUS P5Q SE PLUS LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

    and an Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

    or an Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8500 - Retail

    You should be able to use a 4850, or 4870, i think.
  8. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Yea the PSU is a BFG Tech GS-650 and it has 2 6 pin connectors

    Heres what i got and i hope its all compatible and has super gaming abiity.

    IIntel 3 GHz Core 2 Duo E8400 Processor Type / Form Factor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Compatible Processor Socket: LGA775 Socket

    Cant make up my mind which MB i should get. I was wondering if you had any input?

    Rampage Formula Republic of Gamers Series ATX Motherboard. Form Factor: ATX Chipset Type: Intel X48 Express / Intel ICH9R Processor Socket: LGA775 Socket. Supported RAM Technology DDR2 SDRAM Supported RAM Integrity Check Non-ECC, ECC RAM Installed ( Max ) 0 MB / 8 GB (max)
    Supported RAM Speed PC2-6400, PC2-5300, PC2-9600, PC2-8500 RAM Features Unbuffered, two DDR channels

    Maximus Extreme Republic of Gamers ATX LGA775 Intel Processor Motherboard. Supported RAM Technology DDR3 SDRAM Supported RAM Integrity Check Non-ECC RAM Installed ( Max ) 0 MB / 8 GB (max) Supported RAM Speed PC3-8500, PC3-10666, PC3-12800, PC3-14400 RAM Features
    Unbuffered, two DDR channels

    Radeon HD 4870 512 MB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card. Interface Type: PCI Express 2.0 x16 Video Memory Installed: 512 MB
  9. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

    Yes i did actually: The E8400 is also a great processor, as are the dual cores i posted above for slightly different price ranges. I personally prefer saphire cards, but VisionTek is fine, i think saphire is actually cheeper at newegg though.

    The Asus rampage motherboards have little performance increases except when your overclocking to the limits of your hardware, stick with a cheeper mainstream board.

    And thats right you will may need new RAM, do you know what RAM you currently have, like 240 pin DDR2?
  10. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    After much thought and research and on a strict budget, i finally decided on the following system. First id like to thank all of you that gave me your input.


    1 Radeon HD 4870 512 MB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card

    1 3 GHz Core 2 Duo E8400 Processor

    1 P5Q LGA775 ATX Intel Processor Motherboard
  11. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +9

    Smart purchase. Good equipment. Reliable. Prices are right. If not already purchased, the E8400 is heavily discounted on some websites.
  12. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

    Actually you should use a 4 (2 x 2) set of RAM.
  13. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Computer Gods, HELP!

    I purchased an ASUS P5Q MB, 4870 video card, 4gb memory, new sata drive, new sata cd rom.

    I put it all together and it recognizes the drives in the bios as it should. Runs great!

    I just cant load the operating system cause it dosent recognize the HD.

    How can this be i asked myself? I dont know.

    ASUS says, u cant load win98sec.ed. cause MB chipset. Also said cant install IDE/ATA drive cause of MB. (not true) and ASUS says try installing Lennox UBUNTU. Well DUH! I cant do that yet can i.

    I thought to myself, WTH!

    So im at a total loss at this point. I have never had any of these problems before. I have exhausted all my efforts to solve the problem. I need serious help!

    One more thing, It will recognize the CD rom, but when it asks to boot from the HD or CD rom, then it says there is no HD installed.
  14. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 6,873   +330

    What operating system are you trying to install? If XP, you need to install SATA/RAID controller drivers at the F6 prompt at the beginning of Windows setup. You'll need a floppy drive for this, however.
  15. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    was trying to install win98 sec. ed. cause i only have xp pro upgrade
  16. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +9

    Read the fine print on the WXP Pro Upgrade disk... many of them will only upgrade to certain installations... some will not upgrade Windows 98. Others will not upgrade Windows ME...
  17. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 6,873   +330

    If the upgrade applies, you don't have to actually install Windows 98 before using the XP upgrade disk to install XP. Just start installing XP using the upgrade CD. During the process you'll be asked to insert the qualifying 98 disk to verify the eligibility to upgrade. Once that's done, you can continue with the XP install.

    IMHO, you'll still need the SATA/RAID controller drivers at the F6 prompt.
  18. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    tell me more

    about SATA/RAID F-6 thing.

    I would really like to be able to install my 500gb sata drive instead of this ide/ata hd.

    I couldnt get the comp to recognize the sata drive when i went to load xp, even tho the bios said it was there.

    Im not familuare with SATA/RAID but have heard it was a lot better.

    any and all suggestions are greatfully appreciated!
  19. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +9

    SATA is significantly faster. But the drives require a SATA install, and a motherboard designed to use them.
    Whether SATA is more or less reliable is yet to be determined.
  20. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,427   +27

    SATA is a much faster interface, but the performance of hard disk drives is limited by their spindle speed, not so much by the interface.
  21. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +9

    SATA remains faster. The most interesting performance feature of SATA is the maximum bandwidth possible. The evolution of ATA drives has seen the data transfer rate reach its maximum at 133 MB/second, where the current SATA standard provides data transfers of up to 300 MB/second, or 150 MB/Second in the older SATA units. The overall performance increase of the slowest SATA over ATA, regardless of spindle should be 5% to 8%, but changes in SATA technology have improved on that.

    The maximum possible SATA speed currently utilized is 300 MB/Second vs 133 MB/Second for PATA/EIDE . We will see further increases as operating systems grow, but they will require new SATA hard drives as yet unlabled. Spindle speed differences cannot keep up with those differences in actual use.

    Conceptually, SATA is a replacement for the older standard (ATA/EIDE), but SATA host-adapters and devices communicate via high-speed serial cables. SATA offers several compelling advantages over the older parallel ATA/EIDE interface. Among them, reduced cable-bulk, 8 pins vs 80, significantly faster and more efficient data transfer, and user ability to perform hot swapping of SATA devices.
    Today, SATA has all but replaced the legacy ATA, now retroactively renamed Parallel ATA or PATA. PATA, for now, remains dominant in industrial and embedded applications dependent on Compact Flash technology.

    SATA controllers use as their defacto interface the AHCI or Advanced Host Controller Interface which allows these advanced SATA features of “hot plug” and “native command queuing or ”NCQ”. AHCI is not enabled by the motherboard and chipset. One slow-down comes when the SATA controllers work in IDE emulation mode. That IDE emulation doesn’t allow certain features to be accessed if the ATA or EIDE standard does not support them. Windows XP device drivers that are labeled as SATA are usually running in IDE emulation mode unless they explicitly state that they are AHCI. Drivers included with Windows XP do not support AHCI. That is where another confusion comes regarding spindle speeds. Bottom Line: if you have Windows XP, you won’t see a big difference of more than 5% to 10%, but in VISTA, the modern Linux, and Windows 7 you definitely will. SATA will always be at least 5% faster, but can be as high as 50% faster

    With the current SATA 3.00 specifications, data transfer rates as high as 3.0 Gbit/s per device are found, vs 1.5 GBs of last year. In addition, SATA uses only 4 signal lines. Cables are cheaper because they are more compact and use less wire. Once Windows 7 comes into play, the differences will be huge, and computers with EIDE drives will be noticeably slower.
  22. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 6,873   +330

    That is typical when installing Windows XP on a SATA hard drive. Windows XP doesn't recognize it because it doesn't have the proper driver for your motherboard's SATA/RAID controller so you have to supply it during Windows Setup. That opportunity comes with the F6 prompt for third party drivers. When you install the appropriate SATA/RAID controller drivers at this point, the rest of setup should continue smoothly.

    As I mentioned before, in order for the F6 procedure to work you will need a floppy drive and diskette. Read the motherboard manual for the procedure to make a SATA floppy from the motherboard driver CD. Alternately, you can go to the Asus website to download the latest drivers and make the floppy from them. Choose the drivers that are for making the floppy driver disk. There may be more than one since you appear to have two different makes of SATA controllers built into the motherboard. Install all that apply.

    If you don't have a floppy, consider getting one as they are inexpensive and simplify this procedure. Perhaps you can borrow one from another PC temporarily. If not, you can create a slipstream CD that will combine XP and the SATA/RAID drivers and bypass the floppy thing. You can google for the procedure.
  23. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    Finally got my system up and running and runs great. However, i have an 80gb IDE/ATA HD installed. I want to install my 500gb SATA HD instead. I made a a SATA floppy from the motherboard driver CD.

    How do i proceed from here without screwing something up?
  24. raybay

    raybay TS Evangelist Posts: 7,241   +9

    Get the very best SATA cables, then install the SATA drivers, then install the SATA drive. then boot to the install disk, and follow the instructions on the screen just like always.
    About 40 percent of users reportedly get an error message that the new hard drive is not detected, so read through the entire install process on the website of the hard drive manufacturer.
  25. Charles9510

    Charles9510 TS Rookie Topic Starter

    It's a miracle! I got the sata drive installed.

    I want to thank all of you that gave me information for putting together this system. I learned a great many things. Thank you all again. Untill the next time, Happy Computing!
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