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GeoHot must give Sony his hardware in PS3 hacking lawsuit

By Emil
Feb 11, 2011
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  1. US District Judge Susan Illston has ruled that PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz, also known as GeoHot, must hand over his computer's hard drive to Sony. GeoHot's attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected since Sony would be able to see the contents of all his client's files, but Illston merely informed Kellar that this was routine, like in child pornography prosecutions.

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  2. Can't he just simply delete the data before his hard drive is seized???
     
  3. Emil

    Emil TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 154

    No, the judge has ordered him not to touch any of the data on his computer before handing it over.
     
  4. More evidence that Sony is evil. What it all boils down to now is that when you buy electronic device, you don't own it! It shouldn’t be a crime for you to access your own device, regardless of whether Sony or any other company likes what you’re doing! I quit buying Sony products in 2005.
     
  5. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +91

    Of course. But how can they tell if any data was removed or not, if they don't know the contents of his computer in the first place? If they did know, handing over the computer seems the perfect example of stupidity, futility, and redundancy.
     
  6. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    On the bright side I hear there is a new VP position open at Sony.
     
  7. OUTLAWXXX

    OUTLAWXXX TS Rookie Posts: 51

    Thats what i'm saying, how WOULD they know what was missing?
     
  8. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Maniac Posts: 803   +9

    They can trace your hardrive back to 14 wipes I think it is. So if they don't find anything, their tech specialists can just do their magic and find it. And if they have to do that, then obviously he's touched the computer, which is against court order, which leads to contempt of court which leads to more fines and possibly jail time.

    I'm not even sure what they plan to gain from this. They know he distributed the code, why do they need it from his computer? All he has to do is print it out and now he has a copy that nobody will be able to find. And as for Sony wanting anyone who has looked at the code to be turned over...you;ve got to be kidding me. I've seen the code multiple times and I don't even have a PS3. You still wanna sue me? Where is the legality in this?

    No, there isn't!!! Are people not paying attention to the articles? He's a CHARACTER on the sony commercials. He only plays the VP. The first line of that article even said so:
    "Sony's Kevin Butler, A FICTIONAL CHARACTER PORTRAYED BY ACTOR JERRY LAMBERT..."
    Seriously people, how hard is it to pay attention to a damn article (sorry, I have no patience for people like that, lol)
     
  9. Dear Sony Corp:

    The genie has been let out of the bottle and now you want to stuff it back in.
    I think is too late for that

    We the people have gazed upon the magnificent view of the the all seeing all knowing all hacking genie

    Every cheater and hacker out there is just drooling.

    If every hacking site in the world already knows about it it will be decades before you get that genie back in the bottle and even then you may not have all the parts

    I say do this take your losses and your knowledge and put it into a redevelop PS4 an all new game console and shut down all PS3 sales and do not support any game development thus foiling all hackes

    You should still sue the guy who did this and put him and a few of his hacker friends into the poor house to try and recuperate some of your losses

    but it is too late

    sorry
    a PC user
     
  10. I would refuse. That's like saying to someone "You have an illegal fork from Walmart so hand over your house to Walmart".

    No offence to the judge in question who was ordered to take this case but don't you think they should have a judge that has "some" level of expertise in the computer field?

    It's like asking an Orange to judge an Asteroid. Good luck getting any fairness out of this case.
     
  11. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Maniac Posts: 803   +9

    BIG difference. The court has every right to search his computer. His computer contains illegal information used for illegal activity. This means the court has every right to take his computer. Either that or he can let them in and spend hours there searching his computer and doing what they need to do.
     
     
  12. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    What article?
     
  13. Emil

    Emil TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 154

    http://www.techspot.com/news/42333-sonys-kevin-butler-tweets-playstation-3-security-key.html
     
  14. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 521   +8

    There are some things you cant/should be able to do, just because i have a gun i cant kill they guy i hate, hacking the PS3 is the same, accept it that theres hacks that shouldn't be allowed.
     
  15. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Maniac Posts: 803   +9

    Thanks Emil. Forgot to post it.
     
  16. its about time companies start kicking pirates asses, they get away with too much and act like their crap doesnt stink
     
  17. I'm not a gamer I don't own a console I don't even care, I just find it revolting that a company can tell you want you can and can not do, with hardware you OWN. IN truth every single person should be revolted about this and hold a protest not for what it is but what it could mean in the future. Would you be happy if when you bought a truck out right fully paid it off and then were given a fine and told to return the truck for adding some extra gear for 4-wheeling when the truck manufactures only "Wanted" that model to be used for towing.[Even though you 100% paid it off and hold a title.] Just think for the moment the madness of not being able to touch what you own how you want to. Maybe HP will start suing people for using CIS's instead of buying ink cartages, or logitech will sue people for using 3rd party button mapping tools for there keyboards and mice. This list of madness can go to far more disturbing places.
     
  18. Lurker101

    Lurker101 TS Addict Posts: 637   +124

    You'd be seriously surprised at just how much deleted data can be retrieved from a hard drive. If Hotz tries to delete all of the data, he'll be in much bigger trouble. Even if he does a secure drive wipe, he'll end up in trouble. After all, how do you explain to tech forensics the severe lack of deleted data?
     
  19. edison5do

    edison5do TS Rookie Posts: 239

    And now the Show Begins!! SONY PS3 SALE RANK UP to the skyes!! after if this kind code get to my country, it wil be a big Bang of sales of PS3!
     
  20. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,078   +76

    "Illegal information used for illegal activity"

    What illegal information/activity? Last I heard, violating TOS didn't equate to being against the law. I'm no attorney, but I see this as a 'freedom of information' case. It's also a case of whether the products you purchase belong to you or not. Hotz distributed information that he found on "HIS" PS3, and someone at Sony had a heart attack. Hotz can't be held responsible for what other people do with that information.
     
  21. Raswan

    Raswan TS Enthusiast Posts: 280

    Last time I checked, there are any number of legal programs that will do 30 writes/wipes of your hdd. Universities use them, the DoD uses them, corporations use them. I'm not a master of computer espionage, but I imagine if geohotz is capable of independently finding the root key he knows this, has this, and will use this. Say Sony gets his computers, and aside from an OS and a parody video of Sony with its eyes closed in fury trying to sodomize the whole internet out of petulance while one of its own accidentally lets slip the very data they are trying to protect out of sheer stupidity, there is nothing on them. How can they prove he wasn't practicing routine data security 10 minutes before the lawsuit was filed? Can't. So let's stop debating whether Sony is actually going to get any data back from geohotz. They know they won't, so they're using it as an opportunity to scare anyone and everyone who even thinks about using it. If I owned a PS3 (which I don't because it's a pointless console), I'd use it out of spite.
     
  22. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Maniac Posts: 803   +9

    Hacking is illegal, and any code used for hacking is illegal. I'm on the border of this dispute. Hotz didn't intend for this to be used for evil, but it can be and he distributed it. It's not the same as buying a knife or gun. Sure the makers didn't intend on them being used as murder weapons, but they aren't against the law to own. Whereas creating and distributing dangerous code used for hacking is against the law. I do applaud Hotz for trying to make his system his own. Unfortunately, his code allows for people to cheat and do other things that threaten the security of others' systems.
    This is how Sony and the law sees this situation. It's not so much about taking control of your own system, but more about the dangerous this code can (and will) lead to.
     
  23. Matrix displays a toddlers comprehension of law. Best that he spend some time back in school rather than posting FUDI comments.
     
  24. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,078   +76

    By the legal definition, I don't believe Hotz can be found guilty of hacking, as he owned the system he got the code from. Since jailbreaking was declared legal in the US, I'm having a tough time discerning the difference between hacking and jailbreaking, and if jailbreaking only applies to phones, or does it apply to other electronic devices as well? If simply gaining root to a system you own, and telling others how to gain root to their's is illegal, then software developers, and their teachers should all be brought to the pokey in irons.

    This is new territory for the legal system, and unless Sony can prove that George Hotz distributed the code with the intent to maliciously threaten the security of other's systems, then I see no case against him.
     
  25. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Maniac Posts: 803   +9

    Well excuse me for not going to law school. They don't exactly teach that kind of stuff in regular schools. I was a music major...my classes involved music, math, english composition, and history. And they don't teach law in high school. Simply pointing out my error would have sufficed instead of turning into a 3 year old with a comment like yours. We're adults here, let's act like them shall we?

    Windig0, thank you for pointing out my error and correcting me in a mature manner and supplying me with the correct information. I appreciate it and apologize for my previous error.
     


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