marioestrada said:
@Princeton there's data about phones because they are mostly sold through carriers, there's no contradiction just data published and good old common sense.
And the article you shared is also just a counterpoint from one guy who actually ends his thought with an open question about the veracity of the reports. If you prove something is false you conclude with actual facts not an open question about user opinions.
By the way there are no smartphone wars, Apple is very doing great by themselves and they have a great line of products, they earned almost 3 times the revenue of Google last year and have a market cap that doubles Google's. And that is by developing products people actually want to pay for and not by putting crappy advertising all over your face and invading privacy.
My initial complaint was with assuming "Google is beating Apple" without actual data to compare both. And even if that data would be available it would be safe to assume Apple and Google are very close and that is great, but that's not the only thing that makes a platform more successful than other, as I previously stated a healthy software platform, quality products and happy customers should also be taken into account. And out of that 500,000 devices being activated I would bet a good portion is of those crappy chinese/generic tablets and phones being sold globally and if that means Google is beating Apple well good for them at playing the market share game.
There's so many wrong points with your argument, I'm afraid I won't have enough time to list them all... Hell, who am I kidding? You bet I'll list them all.
marioestrada said:
Emil you love making assumptions: "Google is now clearly beating Apple and its iOS platform", how is it clear when no one knows now many iOS devices are currently being activated.
You conclude Emil's conclusion is erroneous because, as you stated, there’s nobody that knows how many actual iOS devices are being activated. But now you say:
marioestrada said:
“there's data about phones because they are mostly sold through carriers, there's no contradiction just data published and good old common sense.”
So there is data, and therefore, people know. That’s not only contradictory with your previous statement, but it also contradicts with the “common sense” part of your second—equally contradictory—statement that says such data is known by good old common sense. Well, good old common sense in the first place tells me that to make figure comparison, both sources’ data has to be known... In other words, you contradicted yourself after contradicting yourself. That's cute.
Also, did you know that phones sold through carriers count as activations? You can NOT go in to a Verizon or AT&T store and purchase an iPhone (or any phone for that matter) without having service activated. You do know that, right?
marioestrada said:
And the article you shared is also just a counterpoint from one guy who actually ends his thought with an open question about the veracity of the reports. If you prove something is false you conclude with actual facts not an open question about user opinions.
It’s clearly apparent you didn’t even read the article. Go figure. You seem to be attacking the way the author ended or constructed the article. But what you seemed to not read was this part:
“On the other hand, Wolf says Android lost 3.4% of market share, dropping from 52.9% to 49.5%. Again, that’s not what everybody else is saying. So, where’s Wolf getting this data? According to the CNNMoney article, he’s using IDC information to come up with his crazy statistics. The funny thing is, <b>IDC’s last report says the complete opposite of what Wolf is saying.</b>”
The author ended the article with a question to ask his readers to weigh in and debate. He had already proven the lack of veracity in Wolf’s predictions.
marioestrada said:
By the way there are no smartphone wars, Apple is very doing great by themselves and they have a great line of products, they earned almost 3 times the revenue of Google last year and have a market cap that doubles Google's. And that is by developing products people actually want to pay for and not by putting crappy advertising all over your face and invading privacy.
There is no smartphone war? That right there made you lose the little credibility you had. You’re implying Apple is doing so, but so well, there’s no need for them to compete? Give me a break. And what’s with bringing up Apple’s earnings? Are those numbers a cause of their mobile presence? Of course not. Apple is a software and hardware designer, they not only sell the iPhone, they also own a wide arrange of products, services, and personal computers that make it a very, very profitable company. You cannot possibly compare Apple to Google who simply owns and develops software/web services. The comparison of both just sounds like a desperate attempt at an argument. But nice try though.
marioestrada said:
My initial complaint was with assuming "Google is beating Apple" without actual data to compare both. And even if that data would be available it would be safe to assume Apple and Google are very close and that is great, but that's not the only thing that makes a platform more successful than other, as I previously stated a healthy software platform, quality products and happy customers should also be taken into account. And out of that 500,000 devices being activated I would bet a good portion is of those crappy chinese/generic tablets and phones being sold globally and if that means Google is beating Apple well good for them at playing the market share game.
Well, "Google is beating Apple”, is a fact, and not an opinion or an assumption. And what’s that “as I previously stated” you say? Please, show me what you previously stated, because I can't find it on this or last comment. You see, now you’re changing your argument saying that if even said data was available (which it is), you wouldn’t consider Google as the winner, because, to you, other factors should be accountable. Well, that’s to you. To everybody else here, whoever has sold/activated the most devices is the most successful, or, for context: the winner. Arguing about what makes a company itself “better” in an article that’s discussing sale/activations and market share, seems like an extremely petty attempt to make an argument, especially when such argument wasn’t even your original argument to begin with.
Lastly, in case you forgot, Android is an open source operating system. Acting like those “generic” tablets with Android is something Google has to something do with, is very simplistic of yours. Google does not manufacture hardware, nor does it design it. Google simply provides the software. Had iOS been open source, the same would happen. Alternatively, all of the tablets that are accountable in these figures, are the ones actually activated, not sold. That is because, unlike phones, you don't need to activate a tablet with a carrier when you purchase one, as all of them are WiFi capable. So if you want to get into an ethics debate as to why Chinese manufacturers produce and install Android on their “shitty” devices, be my guest and do it wherever that’s actually the subject.
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