Help me upgrading my not for gaming pc to a gaming pc!

By pctobeupgraded
Jan 25, 2010
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  1. Hi and thxs for entering to this topic. plz help me looking for the best or very good gaming parts for my pc try to make my pc operative for 100% games at max setts.
    My pc now is way outdated, i only have $1600.

    PC specs now:
    Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Dual Cpu 1.60ghz perfomance rate at 2.4ghz
    Mainbord: Intel D945gcnl
    Memory:1016mb (1gb)
    Video Card: Intel 82945g (128mb) is almost not having a video card
    Hard Drive: 160gb
  2. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    if what you are saying is that you want to upgrade your old machine....i would not attempt to do do that. with $1600 you can build a gaming behemoth that will play anything on max settings. this is about $1100 which leaves you plenty for a 24" monitor and CD/DVD drive if you need them. you could also add a SSD if you want to improve load times as well. The GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P also has 2 PCIE slots for a future Crossfire/SLI upgrade. Also, if your not in a huge hurry, you might want to wait until March to see how the GF100's perform.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128409
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161301
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835242001
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
  3. pctobeupgraded

    pctobeupgraded Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 81

    really thxkd man but what the f... is GF100 a video card... or wht plz answer fast
  4. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    :haha: oh... the new Nvidia 'fermi' graphics cards coming in March
  5. pctobeupgraded

    pctobeupgraded Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 81

    im not in a hurry plz put a new build in march plz
  6. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

    Probably a good idea.
    With some competition in the graphics card market, you'll get a much better deal if you can afford to wait a few weeks. The graphics drivers will be more mature and should offer a better gaming experience as well.
  7. Ritwik7

    Ritwik7 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,288   +7

    Absolutely! That's a lot to play with. :) And with a lot of games to look forward to early this year it's gonna be sweet.
  8. Puiu

    Puiu TechSpot Addict Posts: 1,021   +87

    The build red1776 has made is really good, but i would make a few changes, like instead of 4gb of RAM i'd go for 8GB and instead of the seagate HDD, the Western Digital Black Caviar. Also if you don't plan on overclocking (and i don't recommend it since the corei5/i7 series already overclock themselves) then you don't need an aftermarket cooler for your CPU. Put that money into more RAM.
    Also the motherboard, although very good, has some issues and also when you use Sata 6Gb/s the 16x pci-e slot downgrades to 8x so it's not very useful.
    here's an alternative, cheaper, with usb3, but without sata 6gb/s (which is very likely that you won't need it): newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128425

    edit: if you want to wait for Nvidia to release the new video cards (Fermi) then it's no problem. maybe the prices will go down.
  9. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

    If your p[lanning on getting a 3-series board then you might want to factor in a sound card as the ALC888 isn't an award winner. The 4, 5, 6 and soon to be released UD7, all run the ALC889A which is vastly superior.
  10. Puiu

    Puiu TechSpot Addict Posts: 1,021   +87

    If he wants a good audio card then an integrated one will never deliver the performance of a pci card.
    If you really want a really good gaming audio card than this should be more than enough:
    newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102019
  11. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

     
  12. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

    mmmmm. If I were spending $290 on a mobo+discrete soundcard combo I'd probably look at this first I think http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131482
    EAX support on a massively superior board for $40 less.
    But I probably wouldn't. Discrete soundcard makes sense if you want HD bitstreaming, but that necessitates something like this
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829156014
    or this
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132009
    Not to mention some very nice speakers and/or headphones
  13. Puiu

    Puiu TechSpot Addict Posts: 1,021   +87

    @red1776: for a gaming pc 2-3 fps are important.(~you loose about 2% for a hd5870 going from 16x to 8x). besides, when he's going to upgrade to a more powerful GPU in the future he might need the extra lanes.

    @dividebyzero That motherboard is really good, but it lacks usb3.0 and the discrete audio card it provides is only a bit better than the integrated ones.
    And those audio cards are too expensive. he doesn't need them unless he's doing professional work on the computer with audio files. the card i presented is a gaming audio card. Putting too much money into something meas he has to sacrifice something else.
  14. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

    That sounds nonsensical, if you don't mind me saying. I doubt there are any games now that you can play with a HD 5870 that you can't play with the card underclocked by 2%.
    If you can show me an example I'd be most appreciative.
    There is the possiblilty I suppose that playing across three monitors might have a slight impact but I don't think our poster is likely to be looking at 3 display port IPS panels with his budget.
    Running a more powerful card would most likely make the difference even more insignificant. The fact that you could probably overclock the card by 2% (or possibly more if you were a tech guru) would render the argument moot.
    Excepting the HD 5970 and GTX 295 I don't think there is a graphics card that comes close to saturating the bandwidth of PCIe x16 running at x8 (8Gb/sec concurrent)
  15. Puiu

    Puiu TechSpot Addict Posts: 1,021   +87

    when moving to a more powerful like the hd5970 card you see that 16x make a big difference:
    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-radeon-hd-5970-2gb-oc-edition-review-22.html
    the second picture shows that the avg. fps are: 38 vs 45 and that the min fps. are: 17 vs 26 (big difference here)
    Saying that the more powerful the card the less difference you'll see is illogical. He'll need 16x if he wants to be able to upgrade he's PC in the future Unless a motherboard that has Sata3 and doesn't scale down the pci-e slot appears, he has to use sata2 (SSD's that saturate sata2 will still be way to expensive to buy for the next 4-5 years).

    PS: there are sata 6gb/s pci-e adapters he can use if he wants to buy a SSD that has more than 250MB/s speeds.
  16. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    It's ridiculous to assume the OP will want to use an HD 5970, given that it will eat up about one-thirds of his budget on its own and that it needs a 30" 2560x1600 screen to unleash its true performance (playing at 1680x1050 with this powerful a card is a waste of cash IMHO).

    Also, the bottleneck will be far lesser at a lower resolution, due to the lower amount of pixel-crunching that will be needed from the card. In any case, at lower resolutions, that card will be able to spit out 60+ FPS in any game, making it impossible to tell the difference between 70FPS and 90FPS.
  17. pctobeupgraded

    pctobeupgraded Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 81

    thxs a lot for all the help but plz keep in mind all the links for the stuff and the stuff mus not cost for than 1600 dollars plz answer fast
  18. pctobeupgraded

    pctobeupgraded Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 81

     
  19. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

    Just post back once you have your final budget- You will find no end of willing advisors I'm sure.
    Be sure to include links to where you are likely to be sourcing the components, as availability and pricing will differ depending on your location, whether you need an operating system (OEM/Upgrade/Retail) and if you need peripherals such as keyboard (gaming/multimedia), gaming mouse, headphones, speakers, webcam and any additional software (Acronis True Image for backup as an example)
  20. Ritwik7

    Ritwik7 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,288   +7

    Good idea.

    Lets keep to that idea. :)

    @ pctobeupgraded - Take some time and decide when you want to get your PC. If it's March there's no point posting recommendations now as better components would be due by then.
  21. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,867   +74

    @ Puiu
    with the exception of Far cry, you are looking at a 2% difference, that hardly makes the x8 interface "not very useful". unless the OP is going to build strictly for the purposes of benchmarking competition. and keep in mind that the benches you provided were all done in 2560 x 1600 resolution,max details, and max AA. also, if you look at most of the scaling studies done, the difference in FPS is more likely attributed to the chipset used.
  22. pctobeupgraded

    pctobeupgraded Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 81

    hey ok i know that but jut for having an idea plz post the links og the pc stuff the monitor must be a 24" one, g11 and a good mouse. dont exceed the 1600 dollars plz man only if you can
    Thxs to everyone
  23. pctobeupgraded

    pctobeupgraded Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 81

    ive moved this topic to another one called: Help me build a very good gaming pc with 1600
  24. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,783   +638

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