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iMacs suck

By Rick
Dec 1, 2002
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  1. poertner_1274

    poertner_1274 secroF laicepS topShceT Posts: 4,745

    I still don't like MAC's, even if they advertise for people. I don't like advertisements period. To me it is all crap that just rots the minds of humans.

    The blue d00ds advertised for Intel, and Apple advertises to "stupid" PC users, it is all propoganda to me, and I don't feel any of it is relevant.

    I think if people could use a MAC and PC to test them both out, they would choose a PC anyday over a MAC.

    This is my opinion and can be refuted, but I have a feeling this will be the general concensus of most people.
     
  2. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,627   +320

    I doubt everyone would choose a PC - depends what you need them for. MacOS is very user friendly - really really easy to learn, problem is that many people in the PC market have some expierence. And that expierence was on a PC - SO the first ever computer EXPIERENCE they got was on a PC, and the first time is a HUGE step in learning something. They'd rather be at least a little familiar with what they are using than be in the blue on it.

    Pick some isolated people who have never seen a computer and I bet (although I have no evidence to back this up) that it would at least be even on what they favored, if not biased towards Mac.
     
  3. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    They would pick a Mac cause it "looks cooler" than a beige rectangle.
     
  4. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,627   +320

    Looks aside, is easier to use a Mac for someone who has never seen a computer before.
     
  5. poertner_1274

    poertner_1274 secroF laicepS topShceT Posts: 4,745

    Aesthetics do play a big part in it.
     
  6. Justin

    Justin TS Rookie Posts: 1,595

    The idea of "MACs being easier" then PC's is almost all but waned. XP is essentially a babies OS with its default setup - The "help" and "wizards" will popup galore if you so much as move the mouse outside the incorrect window, if you so allow. Whatever the next big thing from microsoft is, assuming they are still around, I'm pretty sure it will be more bloated, more resource hogging, and more pricey then ever, but will also be extremely easy to use.
     
  7. poertner_1274

    poertner_1274 secroF laicepS topShceT Posts: 4,745

    It looks like the next big thing is going to be Longhorn, and as of now the beta is pretty slow. It is still way way way premature, but that's ok. I think it will be much better than XP, nicer design, ease of use, etc.
     
  8. poertner_1274

    poertner_1274 secroF laicepS topShceT Posts: 4,745

    1000 I finally made it =D
     
  9. RustyZip

    RustyZip TechSpot Paladin Posts: 418

    Congrats Poertner :D :grinthumb
     
  10. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,627   +320

    I find this ironic..... bear with me here and try not to flame - just make intellegent comments if you can.

    I see lots of people here complaining about resource hogging (no I'm not singleing you out Soul Harvester), yet I also see a lot of people on here just itching to get their hands on the latest and greatest processors/vid cards/memory/harddrives/motherboards. So what do you expect? Of course a corporation like Microsoft is going to pay little concern to how much resources their latest OS uses. People are just goign to think "oh now my computer is slow - lets upgrade!".
    Note: I'm dual booting with Longhorn and XP and yes longhorn is a bit slower than XP but that can be tweaked (and it has been to a certain extent by me so far) and I know I could put 98SE on here and have this machine fly - but you know what - I'm plenty happy right now with how fast my machine is and I'm not going to upgrade or complain about OS speeds - if I was I would downgrade to 98SE or 95 or hell even DOS.
    To see specs check my profile.
     
  11. Justin

    Justin TS Rookie Posts: 1,595

    I'm not complaining about resource hogging, I'm stating as a matter of what I call, "perceptive fact."



    Today I worked around with XP trying to trim down the install size.

    After about an hour of determining what I did and did not need (I'm still not finished yet) I came all the way down to this (And this include all user profiles, their emails/email attachments, their desktops, etc on my system.. around 80mb of that is email and another 70mb is stuff from office XP)

    Remember, on a default install of XP, not including pagefile and hibernation, it approaches 1.3-1.5gigs of space used

    [​IMG]

    This same setup, on a fresh boot, uses around 74mb RAM. This to me is amazing considering it is nigh impossible with a default install to get it to boot under 100mb. Clearly there is MUCH room for tweaking and trimming, but the point is that even after expending obscene amounts of effort I'm still left withn a Windows directory size of 644mb, (796mb entire partition) while just five short years ago, Windows 95 took only 50 some odd MB. and would boot with 8mb RAM. Windows98, 250mb and 16mb RAM. And, a few years before that, DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11 combined was 15mb.

    Yes, operating systems are much more complex and robust, but in most modern day operating systems we are easily wasting 60%+ of the resources available to us.

    I am not the "have to upgrade every day" type of person - I hate having to upgrade, it's such a pain in the pocketbook. If microsoft developers spent a 10th of the time they use to add new features to optimize their code, we would see a much more efficient OS, at least that is the way I perceive things.

    Linux is no better. Unless you are a pro and know exactly what you are doing, the dependancies in many large distros such as Mandrake, Redhat, Suse, etc, will easily consume several gigs. Of course you could go the zipslack route, but the point remains.

    There's too much fluff.
     
     
  12. conradguerrero

    conradguerrero TS Rookie Posts: 357

    Today's programmers just don't remember how it used to be. Ten years ago a floppy disk was cutting edge ...

    :eek:

    Now it's DVD writers with gigabytes of storage!



    In a few years new OS's will probably hog 512mb of ram!:dead:
     
  13. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    Saying Windows is bloatware is like saying an elephant is pretty big.

    Ask Mic about BeOS, I think him or MYOB told me it took up 160MB.

    But anyway, not to detract from the subject, how much HD space does a minimum install of OS X Jaguar take?
     
  14. Ai Hate

    Ai Hate TS Rookie Posts: 321

    ok, i agree with you that advertisements are pretty disgusting when they start splashing mud at each other. but saying all advertisement is crap is perfectly not true.

    if there were no advertisement, at all, how in the world would you be informed of newer products? do you not realize that when manufacturers send their new gadgets to magazines/websites to review, is one way of advertising?

    and what is it with these "dumb users" talk again? c'mon. we were once all dumb and stupid. no one's equipped with the ability to even turn on a pc from birth. how in the world would an adult who has never used these high-tech toys know how to use them, not mentioning to use them wisely.

    must a programmer understand nuclear physics?

    and what if a noble prized scientist don't know how to cook?

    i think we've all been through these "don't bash other ppl" talk quite a few times already (at least 2 or 3 when i was still very active).

    ps. yeah, i know this has nothing to do with macs :blackeye:
     
  15. Justin

    Justin TS Rookie Posts: 1,595

    Heh, I've pushed it even further.

    Without office XP installed I've pushed it below 700mb (that's the entire size of C: )
     
  16. CrackedButter

    CrackedButter TS Rookie Posts: 41

    This is me! When i first touched a "personal computer" it was a mac and it was in 1992, but this was only because all the pc's were being used and nobody was using the macs. This was the very first day in my school so things like rules and the "do's and don'ts" weren't known yet. I walked in, saw all the win 3.11's were taken and sat down infront of a mac. (nothing had internet yet, the best and coolest program at the time was paintbrush and the spray can effect)

    Played it, used it, then the next time i went to school, the macs were taken up because they found out they could use them after i had touched them (the school library was brand new and i was the first who touched them, after that everybody else knew they could. Students thought they were the techers pc's)!

    The first PC i touched was a mac and the first laptop i touched was a mac. The laptop was at college as well and boy was it goooood. Black and white screen and a rollerball!

    Anyway after that i used the 3.11's more and i hated the boxy design. Ever since then i have favoured the mac but never bought one. But finally after 11 years, i'm going to get one.

    And apple Newton messagepad 2100 as well! :)
     
  17. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    Yeah, the purpose of ads is to raise thoughts.
     
  18. iss

    iss TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,896

    I hear Apple is now going to make customers pay for updates that used to be provided for free. and they allready switched some previously free services to pay yearly services.

    I expect within the next year or two that the mac OS will slip into the third place position behind Linux.
     
  19. CrackedButter

    CrackedButter TS Rookie Posts: 41

    I would of thought that it already has.
     
  20. Nick

    Nick TS Rookie Posts: 216

    macs have their place, in the trash.
     
  21. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    Heh Nick:

     
  22. iss

    iss TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,896

    thats true after seeing one I have always felt you could use it to scramble eggs in the morning. just set the pan on top of the cube and the heat pouring out of the top of it should do a good job.
     
  23. poertner_1274

    poertner_1274 secroF laicepS topShceT Posts: 4,745

    I still haven't gotten a chace to play around with my new ibook, but when I do I will form a more biased opinion, but as of right now I think they are gay.
     
  24. CrackedButter

    CrackedButter TS Rookie Posts: 41

    Meeeow! Hiss!
     
  25. JediWannabe

    JediWannabe TS Rookie

    I hate this gray thing I'm on...

    I can't download ANYTHING and I'm constantly being kicked off of the internet because a "system error" occurs. Or I'll be right in the middle of something and I have to start all over or give up because the stupid thing freezes up on me. Plus I'm stuck with AOL version 5.0 because they don't like people with Mac OS 9 because they won't create a new version of AOL for people with older Macs. Like I can go out and buy a brand new computer anytime I want... riiiiiiiiiight... :rolleyes:
     


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