Importance of school

that could have summed up my last 15 years of history.

Shakira....,(Sic)......."Shake-Reara"...........

Especially when viewed from the back!

You either misspelled "than", or misused "then", what you meant to say was, "than".

As to George W. he was above showing up for the National Guard, where they gave him a 50 million dollar fighter aircraft to play with. I guess he was right about not having to prove himself to us mere mortals. Or, as I suspect, 52% of the American voters are imbeciles. However, Mr Bush has a much different family story line that yourself. He proves beyond a doubt that it's not what you know, it's who you know. But, you never can tell, you might meet somebody who can help at school.

The thing here is, English provides us all with the automatic opportunity to state pride about ourselves. This saves most of us the trouble of railing about how much we think of ourselves, and how little we think of others. At least those of us who aren't too lazy to hold down the shift key.

First, they won't let you in college without knowing it, so in that respect it's quite useful.

Guess what a******, WE DID!

Not only that, we did it without text messaging, cell phones, laptops and grief counselors!

In fact, women once had children without having a $3000.00 ultrasound. They turned out pretty much OK. I don't understand why health insurance is so expensive, do you?

"Visual Mathematician", sounds uncomfortably like "excels at video gaming". The second point sounds as though it should start with "Aquarius" or "Scorpio".

You can state whatever reason that makes you feel good, (or that you think we'll believe), for not writing the essay. But for better or worse, all I'm getting out of this is that you're running away from it because you don't think you can. Simple anxiety, nothing more .
Like many people, you're trying to blame the school system for the school system's problems. It's the fault of the students. They don' go, don't pay attention, go stoned, carry guns, threaten teachers and so on. These are the lowest common denominators for certain, but they're the most vocal, and create the most problems for anyone who actually does want to learn. The American culture currently is based on the concept that no one is responsible for their own actions. Making statements like, "the teacher made me shoot him", or "The nun provoked my pitbull" <(I actually heard that on the news), doesn't seem the proper road to self improvement. Our culture has become that of routine banality, powered by morons and social entitlment, if you can breath you can vote. A society based on these principles, cannot long endure. <(Now, what am I (very loosely) paraphrasing here)?

History class; the western half of the Roman Empire fell in 476 AD due to internal decadence and various barbarian hordes attacking from the north. Welcome to Rome. Here I project that it will go down a bit differently, with the Arabs buying America and using the Chinese as their collection agency. Another good reason to go to school, becoming fluent in Chinese and Farsi!

Believe it or not, all these issues you have are based in large part on developmental stages that each one of us goes through.
Here I'm going to start tossing around concepts such as; puberty causes execesive aggression and rebelliousness, whereas the "Abstract Operational Stage" addresses itself to social consciousness and morality. I'm sure you'll think you're your the only person that has had beliefs such as yours, but truth be told, more or less, it happens to us all. So, we all might as well play along.

After "thought", (is that anything like an after taste)? You don't have to remember Lincoln's or Washington's birthday. They fixed that. All you have to remember is "President's Day". This will prevent you from wondering, "did the mail come yet"?

History is messy, turn off "Access Hollywood" some time, and tune into Ken Burns "The War", You'll be surprised at all the deadly violence it took to give us the opportunity to waste time exchanging philosophical barbs in forums such as this. One thing's for certain, Britney wouldn't have made it in the Army, only the Mickey Mouse Club. Once upon a time, things were much tougher, and you're at an age in a time when too much freedom is more of a detriment than an advantage.

This post isn't too long is it?

Gloria Steinham Would **** Her Pants if She Saw This Article......,

After which she would likely open a "Femin-Nazi" rehab center. I didn't realize that there were still women in the world who still believed that marriage was a sex for money swindle. It has a quaint innocence about it though. Nowadays, they usually want their check and yours, before and after the divorce.

This woman's writing style is so bad, she could probably earn extra money ghost writing terrorist notes, although I'm thinking she should take the high road and be a stripper! :slurp: :rolleyes:

So you are saying that a test cannot give a general measure of your learning/solving ability?...rather only hobbies?. So is this why you feel school is so important for us inferior, anxiety stricken, rebellious, excessively aggressive, freedom hogging, lazy, text messaging, weed smoking, gun carrying, ignorant teenagers to complete school....so they can find out our hobbies right?

Do me a favor, when you can act maturely, feel welcome to pass down as much of your prophetic wisdom as you want. But for now..keep your day job. In the future, if you have a problem with me, or anyone for that matter, discuss it in a pm.

Well twite, actually I <(note the Cap) wasn't making fun of you, I was making fun of the test. It seems to me that that site, (being oriented toward advertising), was (is) telling whoever logged on wanted they wanted to hear, based on what was told them. Real IQ tests are given by psychologists and cost a bunch of money. You know, psychologists, who've earned PHDs, by going to school, paying attention and have been tested on the knowledge that they paid dearly to acquire. While I believe that there could be some validity to the results of an online survey such as the one we're referring to, there's also a large component parlor game and horoscope mentality.

Here again, either I completely failed to make my point, or you completely missed it.
I was actually sympathizing with you. (Of course in my own inimitable way) I do feel for a young person that has a higher sense of purpose having all the ills of the modern school system inflicted upon them. In that respect, I wasn't referring to you as a perpetrator, but rather as a victim. You chose on your own to identify with the scum, I didn't put you in that category. I do understand how much frustration the banality and crassness of modern society can inflict on a higher minded individual. But, the causes that I stated do heighten the effects. Biology always wills out, and while nurture can blunt the effects, it can't eliminate them.

Now, here's where we have the problem. You began this thread as a search for opinions, but you didn't state that you only wanted opinions unless they were exactly what you wanted to hear. Since my opinion is diametrically opposed to yours, it seems to have become a problem for you. Now, if you think you can use your own behavior as a reference to measure or comment on my, (or anyone's), maturity, you're sadly deluded, in addition to being victimized by your own superiority complex. This thread began with a childish rant and tantrum on your part, and I expect it will end with one. So my suggestion to you is, try honing your reading interpretation skills, and don't hold your breath waiting for a PM. I figure that there are 100's of millions of other snotty teenagers in the world to argue with, all of which think they're really special, but none of whom I take orders from either. Sadly, you still haven't convinced me you're all that special, and although you won't believe it, I was hoping that you would.

This thread was started to open up my narrow minded view of how i see society. Every single member gave there valid opinion, including you. Some i agreed with, most i did not, as human nature will testify. I did not start this thread to talk about me, rather to discuss/argue my opinion. In the future, i hope you will respect that, and not bring it to a personal level.

I personally wouldn't argue with captaincranky (once bitten, twice shy!)

No need for reply (you're not arguing), just thought I'd say that.

Everybody is so focused on the small events of their insignificant and unfulfilled lives, that they don't take small time out of their day to actually live, and see the world through a variety of perceptions, and over study things for the mere purpose of understanding them, their minds have been polluted since the day they could reason, to benefit those in power, because if everybody analyzed every situation and stimuli they received and came to a more intelligent reaction, we wouldn't have as many problems in the world but the rich wouldn't be as rich, and the powerful wouldn't be as powerful, the plan is to pollute our minds with things like television and mainstream media to keep us under control and stupid, because for big companies the best consumer is a stupid one, and for our political leaders the best people are the stupid ones, who's lives are composed and even revolve around these distractions that we call entertainment, its sad, thats why the education system is basically a way to brainwash you and keep you thinking inside the box, thats why a genius like Albert Einstein could never function in school but was more intelligent than anyone who ever graduated from any school, school wasn't made for intelligent people, it was made for sheep to do as society tells them.

Please, go on people, point out the fact that i don't capitalize my i's. It's only a representation of what really matters to society.

Ya Know, Sometimes I just don't know where to start....

with the rebuttal, since you're generally wrong about so many things.

I generally agree with most of what you say, your take on idealism, and so on. Very high-minded stuff, almost Utopian.

But, as the quote goes, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". You need to understand a thing before you can control a thing. If you want to be a reformer or whatever, you need to be a wolf that puts on sheep's clothing to figure out how to get dinner. Run with the herd.

In less abstract terms an individual can have all the wonderful ideas for a better world but, he'll (or she'll) still have to convince, motivate, and enlist the help of others, or this person will just end up as a lunatic on a street corner with a "the end of the world is near sign". So, if I wanted to change politics, I would go to college and major in Poly-Sci. Money is the fuel of social change, and the simple fact of the matter is that anyone who wants to be a reformer is going to have to swallow some pride and beg the other "sheep" to use some of their money to further his cause.

I do know that very little to no progress will occur by convincing the people on this website since, (and I know you won't believe this) most of us already agree with you, so you're preaching to the choir. To rephrase; we agree with you in PRINCIPLE, we disagree with you in APPROACH.

What I don't agree with is your stated motivation for thinking (read that as constantly harping) you don't need to go to school.
If you're such a lion, shut-up and go lay down with the lambs, after all, they can't hurt you.

All I get out of it is either arrogance or anxiety, and sorry but I'm still not buying into it. And, I wouldn't be doing you a favor if I did. I still think you're an intelligent person, but suffering from some teen-aged adjustment problems. Problems which you should confront by dealing with them, not by blowing up smokescreens, BS, and rationalizations. The state of the world today is horrific, but nothing will be accomplished by avoiding the problems and playing hooky.

I myself would change the world but I'm just too self absorbed to bother with other people, and too busy playing video games.
Now, notice that I said "I". Also make note of the fact I don't actually play video games.

Oh, and learn to capitalize your I (s), unless of course you're suffering from a Christ complex, in which case being the son of God would afford you the modesty and self confidence not to bother.

Oh and twite, have a nice day, really! Looking forward to nearing back from you,

Yours truly, captaincranky

twite: I read the first line of your post and then gave up. You know, one good thing that you get from school is the ability to express yourself in writing so that the result is a pleasure to read.

Of course, style and grammar are an evil plot to force you into a box, but as captaincranky said, sometimes you have to sleep with the enemy. Who would know about Einstein if he had not conformed to the language of mathematics and just produced blocks and blocks of undecipherable random symbols?

After skimming over much of this thread I have to agree with nearly all of captcranky's statements, which makes my response that much more brief.

While I can respect and understand your nature for rebelliousness and a self-driven goal to live life to the fullest, I don't quite understand why you refuse to write a paper.

I can agree with your ideals however your approach is a completely different story.

I personally find writing therapeutic, another way to express myself in a format other than talking. Most people seem too, regardless of the topic. However you seem to veer from the norm on that.

My question is are you out to live your life AND reject society or just one of them?

I had used to think somewhat of the same way about school. I disliked going, finding some of the classes pointless and unnecessary. Its true to some point that maybe learning about some of these facts are pointless and will not ever take place in your future, but think about the other people in your class. Getting a taste of everything is what schools have to offer to you. Having mandatory classes like English, Science and Mathematics means that everyone will get a taste of what its like and can inspire some of them about what they want to do with their lives.
I can't say I've ever had English or Mathematics as one of my favourite classes either, but even though I don't enjoy it very much you can still thank the people for their many years of effort to develop such knowledge and have privileged you to learn it. As humans, one of the things that got us to this technological and scientific age in the first place was by passing down knowledge from generation to generation, its human nature. History was also one I hadn't liked very much but I have started to really like learning about it. It teaches us about what other humans have done for us, the good or bad, so we wont have to make those same mistakes again.
We will always keep learning and will probably never stop until all is known, what is the purpose of life? Does there have to be an answer? Maybe the point for us is to one day have a world that is perfectly suited to everyones needs and wants in life. To make sure that everyone lives their life to the fullest it can get while they are alive.

I have become much more open to other subjects since grade 9, I'm in 11 now. I love science, ever since I was little I wanted to know everything about everything in the world and how it worked. I would always take everything apart and see If I could figure it out and put it back together again. Recently, not even that long ago I had little knowledge of the more advanced computer stuff. I have really been looking at everything about them to understand fully of how they work and I think I'm pretty up to date with most of everything now. Just today we had to do presentations in class and when someone plugged in a USB flash drive a "Found new hardware" window popped up and they had no idea what to do and several other people struggled with it as as well for 10 minutes before I had gone up there for two seconds to open "My computer". The most basic thing I have ever seen in my life!

I really don't mind school.(Except homework, bleh!!!) Homework intrudes into my life!!! Moment I am putting the finishing touches on my XBOX Pc Mod, oh! It's nine o' clock, better do my homework before I pass out from exhaustion!

Actually, the only reason my grades are in the 80's and 70's is because of homework. I calculated all of my averages without home work. Each were AT LEAST A 95.

lol Yes I am quite lazy.

Thats the problem, is in order to get to a position in which you can make an impact on the world, you have to live what you are against. Without resorting to radical violence, and alternate option of becoming a politician, means a life full of corrupt habits. I realize that i don't have the motivation to change anything. I don't care enough but to post a foolish thread about it on an internet forum. I realize that this is probably as far as my opinion will ever go. I am not doing it to "change" anything, but rather to see of others opinions. And that was very successful. Although my "rebellious" ways have obviously been expressed, please don't let that fool you into thinking that I am just disagreeing with you. Let's say in many cases I am being devils antagonist. It is understandable that my approach is not so much "acceptable", mostly because I am just careless and arrogant on my stance in many situations. Yea, I could write my papers, do my homework, but a lot of times I choose not to, because mentally I am satisfying my rebellious needs. If I can't rebel against the world, at least I can against a small part of it. Doing so gives comfort in thinking that "i am not a part of them". It's just mental security in thinking that i am not on the same, very,very low level as most of the rest.

"And When I became a Man, I Put away Such Childish Things......

Every task we undertake serves a need for ourselves, not just for others.

To be sure, babies will cry until somebody brings their bottle, but praise or pride in accomplishment won't be collateral. The bringer is just happy that the kid shuts up.

Talk of being "rebelliousness" still has a romance about , while admitting to inability has none.

I'm going to stick with my original assessment that all the bluster you put out is just that, and a smokescreen to cover anxiety.

It really would be more satisfying to write a great essay, and accept the praise it would generate, than to childishly rant on about being someone is above bothering to do it.

Very few of us will actually change the world, but a life alone in bitterness has no chance to do so whatsoever. Alternatively, you'll never know until you try.

The reason the world is so f***** up, is that the people who are in politics are there for the wrong reasons, and the people who actually might make a difference don't bother, they just sit home and complain about them. Now that's a bitter pill that we all have to swallow.

I Think That's What I Meant to Say...., or Maybe Not....How Can I Tell....

Good catch, twite wants the world changed he's just too lazy to do it. This in spite of the fact he's fully capable of doing so, or so he says. I dunno maybe he's above doing it. Sometimes it's a bit hard to decipher his posts.:suspiciou

The truth is that politics is the "power" part of the cultural success tri-fecta, power, prestige, and money. I think most politicians are sociopaths, which is the only plausible reason they are compelled to seek that much control. This sanctions most good people out of politics that would actually act for the common good. Frankly, they lack the venom. And if they had it, they would be sociopaths. Thus the conundrum.

Or, to quote Peter Townshend, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

Well, it seems almost imposable at the current state of humanity. When it comes to change, there is always conflicting opinions...Which usually leads to your assassination. Of course, thats in simple terms, and not always true. But then again, is there one issue that every person of mankind can agree on? Of course not. Even with MLK, he made a difference, yes, but a lot of what he changed, and a lot of his followers "believed" was more or less just a reason to participate. In other words, people don't practice what they preach. It is almost always true. Even with me. I can sit here talking about this all day, but I am not going to do anything about it. That is just because me "doing something about it", will just fuel my hate and "ignorance" for society, just because looking at the actions of people disgusts me. I don't want to be part of that, I don't want to lead that, I don't want to change that. I just want to go hide in my corner.

I can honestly agree with that. A lot of it has to do with the fact that I don't understand a lot of things, and the frustration of the lack of inability to perceive, and conceive day to day life gets to me. Maybe looking at the world in 1D like most of the rest would help me out. Maybe interpreting the world through a dollar bill, rather then my conscious eyes would help me fit in with the rest.

I don't know how this thread got turned to "me". I can understand why I come off as arrogant. This is probably mostly my fault. I apologize for this.

Oy........

twite, I can't even comprehend why you don't understand how this thread could not possibly come around to you. Since it begins with you announcing your alleged superiority to the rest of the world. We could either take on the rest of the six billion people in the world, or just your unique contribution in making it suck.

I am really starting to believe that you will accept some of my abuse as long as there is attention involved as well. Fair enough, we all need that, no harm, no foul.

As I've stated all along, I agree with you in principle, and I would even say that your approach has merit. BUT, I am pushing 60, and you have your whole life ahead of you . So, if your stated intention is to be miserable, you're going to be doing it for a long time to come.

IMHO, the human race is the biggest blight to ever hit planet earth! We a narcissist, smug, destructive, selfish, and predatory species that is ruining the earth in a wholesale, abundant, and completely irresponsible manner. We have blatant disregard for the rest of the worlds creatures right to survive. In fact, we have very little regard for whether others of our own kind survive. But oh well, welcome to the species that "God" "created in his own image". And on the seventh day he rested. I say he was probably in the bathroom throwing up after realizing what "he" (or "she" or "it") had done.

But do you see the harm you can do yourself by embracing those "truths" on a constant daily basis? They say life is a blessing, so use it or lose it, Because I guarantee that when you reach my age and realize that you are in fact mortal, procrastination will no longer seem like such a great idea, and your tune will change to "if not now, when".

A philosopher could possibly be described as somebody who's out of work, out of touch, afraid, and alone. Are you a philosopher?

Really understanding life, people, and human frailty is all well and good, but it can also be terribly depressing.

So, go do your homework, capitalize your "I"s, and for Christ's sake shut-up and go have some fun. And by fun I mean something other than playing video games.