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Importance of school

By twite
Feb 4, 2008
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  1. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 9,431

    twite: I read the first line of your post and then gave up. You know, one good thing that you get from school is the ability to express yourself in writing so that the result is a pleasure to read.

    Of course, style and grammar are an evil plot to force you into a box, but as captaincranky said, sometimes you have to sleep with the enemy. Who would know about Einstein if he had not conformed to the language of mathematics and just produced blocks and blocks of undecipherable random symbols?
     
  2. Frostmonkey

    Frostmonkey TS Rookie Posts: 34

    After skimming over much of this thread I have to agree with nearly all of captcranky's statements, which makes my response that much more brief.

    While I can respect and understand your nature for rebelliousness and a self-driven goal to live life to the fullest, I don't quite understand why you refuse to write a paper.

    I can agree with your ideals however your approach is a completely different story.

    I personally find writing therapeutic, another way to express myself in a format other than talking. Most people seem too, regardless of the topic. However you seem to veer from the norm on that.

    My question is are you out to live your life AND reject society or just one of them?
     
  3. Whiffen

    Whiffen TS Rookie Posts: 323

    I had used to think somewhat of the same way about school. I disliked going, finding some of the classes pointless and unnecessary. Its true to some point that maybe learning about some of these facts are pointless and will not ever take place in your future, but think about the other people in your class. Getting a taste of everything is what schools have to offer to you. Having mandatory classes like English, Science and Mathematics means that everyone will get a taste of what its like and can inspire some of them about what they want to do with their lives.
    I can't say I've ever had English or Mathematics as one of my favourite classes either, but even though I don't enjoy it very much you can still thank the people for their many years of effort to develop such knowledge and have privileged you to learn it. As humans, one of the things that got us to this technological and scientific age in the first place was by passing down knowledge from generation to generation, its human nature. History was also one I hadn't liked very much but I have started to really like learning about it. It teaches us about what other humans have done for us, the good or bad, so we wont have to make those same mistakes again.
    We will always keep learning and will probably never stop until all is known, what is the purpose of life? Does there have to be an answer? Maybe the point for us is to one day have a world that is perfectly suited to everyones needs and wants in life. To make sure that everyone lives their life to the fullest it can get while they are alive.

    I have become much more open to other subjects since grade 9, I'm in 11 now. I love science, ever since I was little I wanted to know everything about everything in the world and how it worked. I would always take everything apart and see If I could figure it out and put it back together again. Recently, not even that long ago I had little knowledge of the more advanced computer stuff. I have really been looking at everything about them to understand fully of how they work and I think I'm pretty up to date with most of everything now. Just today we had to do presentations in class and when someone plugged in a USB flash drive a "Found new hardware" window popped up and they had no idea what to do and several other people struggled with it as as well for 10 minutes before I had gone up there for two seconds to open "My computer". The most basic thing I have ever seen in my life!
     
  4. Obi-Wan Jerkobi

    Obi-Wan Jerkobi TS Maniac Posts: 592

    I really don't mind school.(Except homework, bleh!!!) Homework intrudes into my life!!! Moment I am putting the finishing touches on my XBOX Pc Mod, oh! It's nine o' clock, better do my homework before I pass out from exhaustion! :p

    Actually, the only reason my grades are in the 80's and 70's is because of homework. I calculated all of my averages without home work. Each were AT LEAST A 95.

    lol Yes I am quite lazy.
     
  5. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    Thats the problem, is in order to get to a position in which you can make an impact on the world, you have to live what you are against. Without resorting to radical violence, and alternate option of becoming a politician, means a life full of corrupt habits. I realize that i don't have the motivation to change anything. I don't care enough but to post a foolish thread about it on an internet forum. I realize that this is probably as far as my opinion will ever go. I am not doing it to "change" anything, but rather to see of others opinions. And that was very successful. Although my "rebellious" ways have obviously been expressed, please don't let that fool you into thinking that I am just disagreeing with you. Let's say in many cases I am being devils antagonist. It is understandable that my approach is not so much "acceptable", mostly because I am just careless and arrogant on my stance in many situations. Yea, I could write my papers, do my homework, but a lot of times I choose not to, because mentally I am satisfying my rebellious needs. If I can't rebel against the world, at least I can against a small part of it. Doing so gives comfort in thinking that "i am not a part of them". It's just mental security in thinking that i am not on the same, very,very low level as most of the rest.
     
  6. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,816   +922

    "And When I became a Man, I Put away Such Childish Things......

    Every task we undertake serves a need for ourselves, not just for others.

    To be sure, babies will cry until somebody brings their bottle, but praise or pride in accomplishment won't be collateral. The bringer is just happy that the kid shuts up.

    Talk of being "rebelliousness" still has a romance about , while admitting to inability has none.

    I'm going to stick with my original assessment that all the bluster you put out is just that, and a smokescreen to cover anxiety.

    It really would be more satisfying to write a great essay, and accept the praise it would generate, than to childishly rant on about being someone is above bothering to do it.

    Very few of us will actually change the world, but a life alone in bitterness has no chance to do so whatsoever. Alternatively, you'll never know until you try.

    The reason the world is so f***** up, is that the people who are in politics are there for the wrong reasons, and the people who actually might make a difference don't bother, they just sit home and complain about them. Now that's a bitter pill that we all have to swallow.
     
  7. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,626   +320

    There has never been a time where everything was right with the world, and I'm sure there will never be a time. Its not just today's politics and US involvement in the middle east. There has always been something terrible happening somewhere.

    So I guess you can be upset that things aren't 'better' with the world, but don't be frustrated with current politics thinking that they screwed everything up and all would be well otherwise.

    I know nobody explicity said that, I was just covering a tone I picked up throughout.
     
  8. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,816   +922

    I Think That's What I Meant to Say...., or Maybe Not....How Can I Tell....

    Good catch, twite wants the world changed he's just too lazy to do it. This in spite of the fact he's fully capable of doing so, or so he says. I dunno maybe he's above doing it. Sometimes it's a bit hard to decipher his posts.:suspiciou

    The truth is that politics is the "power" part of the cultural success tri-fecta, power, prestige, and money. I think most politicians are sociopaths, which is the only plausible reason they are compelled to seek that much control. This sanctions most good people out of politics that would actually act for the common good. Frankly, they lack the venom. And if they had it, they would be sociopaths. Thus the conundrum.

    Or, to quote Peter Townshend, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
     
  9. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    Well, it seems almost imposable at the current state of humanity. When it comes to change, there is always conflicting opinions...Which usually leads to your assassination. Of course, thats in simple terms, and not always true. But then again, is there one issue that every person of mankind can agree on? Of course not. Even with MLK, he made a difference, yes, but a lot of what he changed, and a lot of his followers "believed" was more or less just a reason to participate. In other words, people don't practice what they preach. It is almost always true. Even with me. I can sit here talking about this all day, but I am not going to do anything about it. That is just because me "doing something about it", will just fuel my hate and "ignorance" for society, just because looking at the actions of people disgusts me. I don't want to be part of that, I don't want to lead that, I don't want to change that. I just want to go hide in my corner.

    I can honestly agree with that. A lot of it has to do with the fact that I don't understand a lot of things, and the frustration of the lack of inability to perceive, and conceive day to day life gets to me. Maybe looking at the world in 1D like most of the rest would help me out. Maybe interpreting the world through a dollar bill, rather then my conscious eyes would help me fit in with the rest.

    I don't know how this thread got turned to "me". I can understand why I come off as arrogant. This is probably mostly my fault. I apologize for this.
     
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,816   +922

    Oy........

    twite, I can't even comprehend why you don't understand how this thread could not possibly come around to you. Since it begins with you announcing your alleged superiority to the rest of the world. We could either take on the rest of the six billion people in the world, or just your unique contribution in making it suck.

    I am really starting to believe that you will accept some of my abuse as long as there is attention involved as well. Fair enough, we all need that, no harm, no foul.

    As I've stated all along, I agree with you in principle, and I would even say that your approach has merit. BUT, I am pushing 60, and you have your whole life ahead of you . So, if your stated intention is to be miserable, you're going to be doing it for a long time to come.

    IMHO, the human race is the biggest blight to ever hit planet earth! We a narcissist, smug, destructive, selfish, and predatory species that is ruining the earth in a wholesale, abundant, and completely irresponsible manner. We have blatant disregard for the rest of the worlds creatures right to survive. In fact, we have very little regard for whether others of our own kind survive. But oh well, welcome to the species that "God" "created in his own image". And on the seventh day he rested. I say he was probably in the bathroom throwing up after realizing what "he" (or "she" or "it") had done.

    But do you see the harm you can do yourself by embracing those "truths" on a constant daily basis? They say life is a blessing, so use it or lose it, Because I guarantee that when you reach my age and realize that you are in fact mortal, procrastination will no longer seem like such a great idea, and your tune will change to "if not now, when".

    A philosopher could possibly be described as somebody who's out of work, out of touch, afraid, and alone. Are you a philosopher?

    Really understanding life, people, and human frailty is all well and good, but it can also be terribly depressing.

    So, go do your homework, capitalize your "I"s, and for Christ's sake shut-up and go have some fun. And by fun I mean something other than playing video games.
     
  11. NetCablesPlus

    NetCablesPlus TS Maniac Posts: 483

    I think that part of this discussion is what do I want to be when I grow up? It is framed around the well-known decline of our educational system in which student self-esteem is more highly prized than actual learning (which includes the possibility, horror of horrors, of failing) I see this right now in my 16-year-old daughter and her friends. They have all been taught, consistently, that they are great, they are beautiful, they have great lives ahead of them, etc. However, they have not learned much about the value of failing and working hard to overcome it. If they have a hard time with anything, they quickly abandon the effort and go back into their comfort zone and then rail about how unfair or unimportant the task/event/whatever was, anyway. Don't get me wrong: they are all great kids, but they simply have not been exposed to the rough and tumble of the real world and are not even minimally prepared for what is going to happen when they strike out on their own and find out that no one really cares about their self-esteem, their desires, their dreams, etc.

    For example, it sounds really romantic to finish high school and then travel for five years to experience the world. How exactly will someone fund that trip? What happens when you are mugged in Paris and left without your passport and money? Call mommy? What happens when your sailboat is captured by pirates in the South Pacific? I know, I know, these things will not happen to you (though I did take these stories from recent newspaper articles where it actually happened.) But the point is that everyone has to prepare for the future and negative outcomes of our decisions. Education should be one way to do that.

    Bottomline, it is great to question society and how things work or do not work and what is fair and unfair. Just keep in mind that this is all great fodder for philosophical discussions, but will not help you to pay the rent. As other have mentioned, this will become more apparent when you graduate from being a dependent and start to have your own dependents to take care of.
     
     
  12. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,816   +922

    Enough of Playing "Resident Evil".. Let's confront Resident Truth

    At the end of the day, we provide ourselves with whatever education we desire. We also need to provide proof that we have undertaken acquiring the education that society says we should have.

    At the end of that same day, twite needs to stop bellyaching about all the demands made on him by the lousy school system, society, parents and teachers who are charged with his "updragging ". And judging by the demeanor of his posting he needs to be dragged, because he's simply not going to go either willingly or quietly!
    Kiss my a**, I'm a "visual mathematician", more or less.

    Even if we accept that not everyone will do something that will truly change the world, we all need to do our level best to at least not make it worse.
     
  13. Rogue_Zero

    Rogue_Zero TS Rookie

    school is very important cause without it you wouldnt have any kinda of social or people skills.
     
  14. kimsland

    kimsland Ex-TechSpotter Posts: 18,353

    Tribal people have the best people skills, not like our society!
     


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