Intel IS superior

So you are saying that if I bought a brand new AMD chip, and powered on my machine, and then took that heatsink and fan off... that that AMD chip would NOT start to pour smoke? Is this what you are saying?

If you can back this up with scientific evidence I will believe you. However right now I believe my eyes and the dozen or so times as a computer enthusiast and as a computer technician to trade I did not see an AMD chip go up in flames...

As to the questions about stability, I have noticed a DRAMATIC reduction in crashes after moving to Intel at home and at work.

Asus C.O.P. Video

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Face it - a lot of you are students or working on your first jobs because you are young. Do buy what you can afford. You don't contemplate spending £100 more on a chip because its an Intel. I used to be the same. Then I spent more money the next time, and I am very glad I did. Because I think Intel based machines handle better. And they do.

good for you!

you go girl. don't ever change

Does anyone actually have anything concrete in terms of evidence that I am wrong?

hey guys, stop fighting. i have the solution for you all. Buy a Mac and then go shoot yourself

cmon, phant

look @ didou's video......things have changed. and, alex, go ahead and buy a mac,..... and i'll shoot you.

No, you all just have to stop fighting it!



You will feel so much better when you have given in. I did.

To anyone who thinks an AMD 3333 is the same as an Intel 3.3 GHz machine - think again! Its not.

Hey Phant, how much did they pay you for that preachery ?

oooooooooo

i'm getting that warm and fuzzy feeling.

No one said it was.
Even Intel is moving away from the Ghz naming scheme. It's not an issue.

Oh man, I love this site. Its great fun!

As I said... To anyone who thinks an AMD 3333 is the same as an Intel 3.3 GHz machine - think again! Its not.

Anyone got any contrary evidence?

If you pick out two chips, one from AMD and one from Intel, and they are supposed to be on par with each other, then I guarantee that the Intel one will serve you better.

it is!

how about that.

I'd just like to point out that AnandTech don't know what they are doing when it comes to testing heat dissapation. Temperature is not the best thing to measure as it doesn't give accurate results as to how much heat is generated. We all know you can burn your fingers on a lighted match, but it won't heat up your home as well as a radiator. The only thing that matters is power consumption, as that will all eventually end up as heat (basic physics). It's true that P4s are better than Athlon XPs (though not when comparing same priced components). The Athlon 64 is an entirely different beast and is currently the one to beat.

Besides I suppose you drive a BMW instead of a Ford, do you P66? Fact is what some regard as the best might not always suit your needs, and doesn't always perform the best. I would certainly consider buying Intel again, when they offer me the best bang for my buck. Price does matter, otherwise we'd all be buying high-end PCs everytime we were shopping for a new toy.

I run my AMD machines (all overclocked to 2.3GHz from 1.9GHz default) 24/7 and never had any problems whatsoever (2 years now). PCs are disposable. When they are no longer able to run the latest software, then its time to retire them. Why waste money on them believing that the quality is any better because of the cost? It does not compute :=).

Besides, we know you are just trying to get some heated discussion going, as you are already familiar with the ins and outs of Intel vs AMD. Buy whatever makes you feel good, as that is what really matters at the end of the day.

Pick up an AMD and an Intel chip at the same price range. I guarantee that you can't make such a blanket statement then.

Amen

fun discussion, though, you have to have an open mind.

Yes, yes.. I'm sure we all know that a heated discussion is what phant wanted. I am an AMD fan, mostly because of cost. I am not trying to prove that AMD is better, just that Intel is not. There is a difference.

Of course you buy based on your needs. And for a disposable machine - a cheap computer for the kids or a cheap linux box, I might think about an AMD there to keep costs down.

Intel chips don't just offer better performance - they offer better stability. And that IS worth paying more. Its got nothing to do with the BMW vs Ford argument about thinking something is better because its more expensive. Its better because its better. That is what I am saying and no one has convinced me otherwise so far. No one has even really tried.

True, if you compare Intel vs AMD based on price, then you probably do get a faster AMD chip. But those chips are cheaper for a reason. They are cheaper because they are of inferior quality. I defy anyone to buy and use a new Intel platform and a new AMD platform properly and then disagree.

For all of you saying I am wrong... Do you actually own a new AMD, AS WELL AS a new Intel? I do and the Intel kicks seriously more ***. Apart from that, the rest of the system specs are fairly identical.

an apple and an orange

you'll get no proof from me. faith is a funny thing. lemmings are unique creatures, some people are contrarians, all facts of life.

I don't know why you were having stability problems w/ AMD, but my computer is quite stable. I believe that most of the early AMD stability problems were caused form the motherboards. With Asus, Abit and the other big names making AMD boards, it isn't a problem anymore. Yes explorer crashes, but that is Microsoft's problem, not AMD's.

I pass prime95 and that is stable enough for me.