Intel IS superior

You see!? That's all the evidence you people have against what I am saying... The words of half-wits and fools

No one can disprove that I am saying... Intel is better and I bet you are dreaming about that next Intel based system now. I don't expect you to admit it, but its true.

I use a 2400+ at home and a 2.6 Intel P4 at work. I absolutely see no difference whatsoever.

But, do you use that work machine and home machine FOR EXACTLY THE SAME TASKS?

You do put every same test to that Intel at work that you put that AMD to at home? I doubt it.

I tell you, I have 2 machines, one is AMD and one is Intel. As far as technological advances go, they came out at the same time (both bought 6 months ago.)

I have retired the AMD box as a multimedia server for video captue and playback to TV, the Intel machine is where everything happens. The Intel just beats it in a way you just can't deny.

My main development machine at work is a 2.8GHz Intel, but I run Athlon XP at home. I certtainly haven't noticed the Intel machine being better. Are you comparing like with like (i.e. similar spec chipsets, memory, hard drives and other components? If you are saying that your brand new Intel computer is faster/better than your old AMD computer then that isn't any surprise. Personally, if you go AMD, then you need to get an nForce chipset, because the old via chipsets were budget components, and those buying AMD on price, would often end up with other budget components thrown in. Its no surprise that things aren't as smooth running as you'd like them to be.

Quality does cost money, and there is only so much you can save when putting together a new computer. You'll always end up paying for it later. If I had to choose between a new Athlon XP and a new P4 (for same money) then I'd choose Intel. If I had to choose between a new P4 and a new AMD64, then I'd choose AMD64. I'd also buy the best mainboard and other components available, and eat your Intel system for breakfast.

You only have to look at the way Intel is now trying to copy AMD to realise that they made some seriously bad choices in the last couple of years and are now playing catch-up.

But you can't prove what you are saying either! Just because there are less crashes... that could be any number of things.

P.S. for proof about the motherboard thing my friend can vouch for that. He bought the cheapest mobo for his 1700 he could find and was very unstable. he then got a shuttle mobo (still cheap, but a great improvement) and now has it overclocket to 2600 speeds and much more stable besides.

what i really like

is how phant phans the phlames. if we had eons to diffuse each other's claims, it might not be enough. i see this thread as simply "my house will still be standing in a forest fire and yours won't" *didou, could you rustle up a full documentary for phant?

As I said in my above post, both machines I have (one Intel, one AMD) had their mainboards, memory, chips and graphics cards replaced at roughly the same time.

The Intel one is superior.

from your two machines

the intel one is better. now, i see.

I am just, as a computer enthusiast, giving evidence to my claims, backed up with practical experience.

This is not the sole point of my argument. Far from it.

and, i, for one

appreciate that. thank you for you comments and experience regarding this issue.

.... which is an issue no one (especially you) can seem to rationally argue against in a way that offers even one shred of counter evidence.

Instead of making quick, throw away one liners that don't mean anything, try to convince me otherwise. If you offer compelling evidence I will listen...

How about telling us what your old AMD system consisted off, and what you are now comparing it against?

understood

i just do not believe you can be swayed. i will do my homework, so to speak. current diialogue from others here hasn't knocked you off your podium. give me a concrete request, and i will resolve it for you. but, i usually abohr a witch hunt where i have to wade into some vague general statement, as "intel is superior" and provided you counterarguements. i could do that all day, and have better things to do w/ my time.

Another thing I really dislike about AMD is the way the heat sink and fan attaches. On an Intel is on a well thought out device that makes for easy removal. On the AMD is got these cheapy plastic tabs that can sometimes break. You also have to press harder I think to get an AMD fan on. I don't like that. And when you remove an AMD chip, its more likely to have got stuck nastily to the heat sink. At least, that's my experience...

yes

so they created copper shims. you can shift the power supply for easy access or install it on the motherboard before you drop it in on a new set-up. either way, simple workarounds

Incidentaly, the Intel based PC that I have at work is less reliable than the AMD PC I have at home. The one at work constantly loses my roaming profile and causes me to have to log in as Administrator so that I can delete any old profiles and user accounts. Its the only PC in the office that does this, but it doesn't mean that Intel is the culprit.

As for heatsink clips, well that varies depending on the heatsink you bought.

traditional views

from a third party:" Intel focuses on being good at manufacturing, Amd focuses in on having better designs" http://www.fool.com/portfolios/rulemaker/2000/rulemaker000818.htm oh and another re stability issues: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5855 and another on megahertz myth and sysmark myth "same article"

Re: traditional views

How can it be better design if they had to modify their design to correct the fact that it was crap? How can they design better if they have to release copper shims to help with the problem that the socket design is crap and outdated?

AMD socket design is old, awkward and crap. Intel design is newer and more versitile.

i kept editing the reply

so, continue it's perusal. carry on.
remember phant, that's yesterday's news. i'm trying to look at what's it going to be like, going forward.
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder"