Difference is nvidia solves those issues fast. With AMD, it might take years. The high power draw at idle has been an issue since 2012, and it still is today, lol. Not being able to play some old games on amd cards has been an issue since forever and it still is. Currently can't play divine divinity on my laptop (680m and 6700s, tried wtih both), plays just fine on 4 different nvidia cards ive tried. Go figure.
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Burty117
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That's true, however, I'm going to base my experiences on a 5700XT and 1080Ti.
Nvidia fix their issues, and usually quite quick as well. The 1080Ti today is solid driver wise, doesn't crash, I don't have any issues with it.
5700XT on the other hand, I still get regular crashing issues, I don't understand how it's still soo crashy after all these years.
Baulders Gate 3 as a brilliant example, Nvidia 1080Ti, not crashed once because of the Nvidia driver, 5700XT, at least seven times. Probably more but haven't counted them.
Playing with laptop. Games won't work.
Go figure.
Those 5700XT "driver" problems are funny since no reviewer has ever been able to duplicate them. And still you seem to be sure that's driver problem and not something else? Since, if that really was driver issue, I should have had hard time with 5600XT. But no major problems in over three years.
Build quality sucks. Drivers are often outdated if other than OEM ones won't work. Unless doing clean install, OS is bloated with pre-installed crap. Heat and cooling are always issue...
Desktops rule on gaming. If I have Divine Divinity somewhere (at least I have something like that) I'll test if it works with AMD card
VcoreLeone
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There is nothing fsr3 will do to dlss3 exclusivity, as nvidia planned to use dedicated hardware for it, while AMD had to improvise and resort to using async for fsr3, which they even know will be hard if a game already uses it for something else.
7800xt looks promising how ? Looks like it will be same or worse than 6800xt at 550 EUR, while 6800xt sells at 520, with no extra features vs rdna2 despite having dedicated ML hardware on die that will be left unused.
Tim or HUB are not seeking opportunity to advertise AMD, as they are not on their payroll. If you don't understand why tech journalists do not have double standards for AMD, you're probably one of these people who complained about Tim questioning AMD about their shady sponsorships.
VcoreLeone
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AMD acknowledging them in open issues is not enough ?
Theinsanegamer
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This argument is pure "whataboutism" and does nothing to address the argument. By presenting this, you are admitting to AMD having bad drivers and you have nothing to refute that argument with, so you have to drag attention to a different subject.
Do better.
Leaving out the evergreen stability problems, the GCN black screen bug, and the frame time bugs, the fact you bring up DDU is hilarious. AMD drivers are SO good that you have to use a third party to uninstall them correctly, something nvidia fixed over two decades ago.
Oh so now they're AMD bashing? You guys always seem to find conspiracies to confirm your own biases. Tech spot and HUB have been accused of shilling for/spreading hate against AMD, nVidia, Intel, Apple, and Google.
I have a ghost install of windows, latest drivers, runs everything great actually besides old games cause amd drivers are awesomeBuild quality sucks. Drivers are often outdated if other than OEM ones won't work. Unless doing clean install, OS is bloated with pre-installed crap. Heat and cooling are always issue...
Desktops rule on gaming. If I have Divine Divinity somewhere (at least I have something like that) I'll test if it works with AMD card
DSirius
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Simple. 7800XT looks more promising than Nvidia 4070.
And no point in speculating more, let's wait the real benchmarks from reviewers and make an informed opinion. The results may be in AMD favor, or in nvidia favor, in nobody favor or everybody favor. Personally I would be pleased to see both Nvidia and AMD starting to lower prices for their videocards due to 7700Xt and 7800XT vs 4060ti and 4070 competition.
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hahahanoobs
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All AMD did was fastrack the inevitable price drops that come after launch.
This is not sustainable!
This is not sustainable!
DSirius
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Any serious hardware tech or reviewer is recommending to use DDU when you upgrade or switch a videocard, even when it is from the same company. It will save you from a lot of potentially and unnecessary headaches or compatibility drivers issues.
No. Manufacturers usually mention issues as open when enough people report them. Still, no reviewer was able to duplicate them. Based on that, seems to be more Nvidia smear campaign than real issue.
VcoreLeone
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People reporting issues that AMD can replicate is secretly nvidia smearing them .....
Dafuq did I just read. Seriously, the level of denial..... You know that when amd/nvidia put out an open issue list, many of them will manifest on selected configurations only. Doesn't mean they don't exist if 20 review samples, hand picked by the company, don't get them.
I had issues on 6800 that I and others reported, are common knowledge they exist (workarounds and hacks are available on forums), and AMD never even put them on the open issues list.
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AMD cannot replicate. Techspot cannot replicate. But it Must be AMD drivers to blame.
Like if you had AMD CPU, it was responsible for any problems. But if you had Intel CPU, problem must have been elsewhere
Right now I'm trying to replicate many "6800 problems". No success so far.
DSirius
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I can give a counter example from Nvidia garden, which btw, I had issues myself.
NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays
Download English (U.S.) drivers for NVIDIA hardware - , , ,
www.nvidia.com
NVIDIA Rolls Out Firmware Update For Pre-RTX GPUs To Fix Black Screen Issues on DisplayPort 1.3 & 1.4 Monitor
NVIDIA has rolled out a firmware update for older Pre-RTX GPUs to fix black screen issues encountered using DisplayPort 1.3 & 1.4 displays.
wccftech.com
Also suggest to read Heverno user post on Nvidia forum to have a better picture of what a deep love is spread among Nvidia and its customers.
Check the date of the tools released by Nvidia.
GTX 1080 was released years before. And I had this issue, random black screens, boot hang out and could not use or enjoy my Acer 27'" G-Sync monitor at all with my GTX 1080ti. Nvidia blamed cable display quality, bought an expensive certified DP cable, the issues still present and quite often.
Nvidia kept this huge issue secret for a long time, did not admitted, recognized it even when there were numerous reports.
All of this so that after many years, nvidia secretly and sneakily released this infamous tools and wanted to pretend that nothing happened and they did not screwed its customers.
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Ws any reviewer able to replicate that problem? If yes, then it's clear case.I can give you a counter example from Nvidia garden, which btw, I had issues myself.
NVIDIA Rolls Out Firmware Update For Pre-RTX GPUs To Fix Black Screen Issues on DisplayPort 1.3 & 1.4 Monitor
NVIDIA has rolled out a firmware update for older Pre-RTX GPUs to fix black screen issues encountered using DisplayPort 1.3 & 1.4 displays.Check the date of the tools released by Nvidia.NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays
Download English (U.S.) drivers for NVIDIA hardware - , , ,www.nvidia.com
GTX 1080 was released years before. And I had this issue, random black screens, boot hang out and could not use or enjoy my Acer 27'" G-Sync monitor at all with my GTX 1080ti. Nvidia blamed cable display quality, bought an expensive certified DP cable, the issues still present and quite often.
Nvidia kept this huge issue secret for a long time, did not admitted, recognized it even when there were numerous reports.
All of this so that after many years, nvidia secretly and sneakily released this infamous tools and wanted to pretend that nothing happened and they did not screwed its customers.
When it comes to AMD "black screen" bug, I have not encountered it myself. Nor has any reviewer. There has been many theories, some about poor VRM on cards. Driver problem should be pretty consistent but AMD "black screen" seem to happen only for some and that indicates other than driver problem.
VcoreLeone
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1. dual monitor vram clock issue has been unsolved for so long they just removed it from the list.same for vram clock if running browser with hw acceleration enabled on single monitor.
2. vulkan+sam vram leak still not fixed, not even acknowledged
RX 6000 cards - VRAM leak on Vulkan - RDR2
Hey guys, I just found a ton of threads where people talk about the famous "Unknown Error" in Vulkan games, like RDR2, where the VRAM would fill up until the game would crash. It also happens to me and Im wondering if you guys are also experiencing the same and if AMD is aware of it or not...
and if 5700xt issues are made up, how come there are fixes or workarounds (disabling freesync/enhanced sync) that worked for those who reported them ?
Reviewers are sent pre-tested units.
Searched and that seems to be high VRAM frequency when using dual monitor.
Unsurprisingly I cannot replicate that problem myself.
Will try 2 some time.2. vulkan+sam vram leak still not fixed, not even acknowledged
3. adrenaline panel deleting all game profiles on crash still not fixed or acknowledged, even though I reported it a dozen timesRX 6000 cards - VRAM leak on Vulkan - RDR2
Hey guys, I just found a ton of threads where people talk about the famous "Unknown Error" in Vulkan games, like RDR2, where the VRAM would fill up until the game would crash. It also happens to me and Im wondering if you guys are also experiencing the same and if AMD is aware of it or not...community.amd.com
and if 5700xt issues are made up, how come there are fixes or workarounds (disabling freesync/enhanced sync) that worked for those who reported them ?
Reviewers are sent pre-tested units.
3. I have no idea what are game profiles. Perhaps because I don't use them.
Not all problems were solved that easily if reports are to believe.
Reviewers tried on retail cards without success. Not early units. feel free to link case where reviewer was able to replicate those black screen problems.
WhiteLeaff
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It's not like games are programmed to saturate CUs all the time.
VcoreLeone
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irrelevant if reviewers got them or not if they get sent tested cards.
how many retail cards did they buy ? and when was it ? anecdotal evidence.
if amd said disabling enhanced sync fixes black screens, they must have identified the problem. so problem still doesn't exist if there's a workaround in official release notes ?
btw didn't Steve say in one of the videos his 5700xt required a custom DP cable to work fine ?
for sam+vulkan in rdr2, go see what your vram usage is at the end of the built-in benchmark.
100% of guys I talked to have it, so do I. Maybe you have 60hz monitors. I have two 165hz ones.
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DSirius
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I had some with my 5700XT. But noticed that occurred because I had a dual monitor setup in extended configuration with different resolutions and refresh rates.
I posted my observations and conclusions on the forum. My opinion is that if you have a dual monitor setup in extended configuration, it is better for monitors to be the same model.
To have the same resolution and refresh rate for stability and less black screen issues.
Btw I used same monitors in dual extended configuration with Nvidia RTX 2700 Super and experience was worse than on AMD 5700XT, in fact was atrocious with more issues, black screens etc. My next videocard card was AMD 6800XT and since than had few to almost no issues like these.
DSirius
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Regarding Nvidia issues, I tested with 2 different videocards, GTX 1080 and 1080Ti, on 2 different computers with 3 different DP cables and every time had the same black screens, hang out and not booting with both GTX 1080 and 1080TI with Acer XB271HU 165HZ.
On that occasion I discovered how misleading Nvidia G-Sync was and how bad is Nvidia screwing its customers.
AMD screwed me too, but less than Nvidia and not so bad as Nvidia, so I learned from both to be vigilant, check their claims and not over paying them anymore and more important, to expose them whenever they try to screw uninformed customers.
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bluetooth fairy
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I had such issues since the times of RX570. I had dual screen setup for a long time, and with different monitors/TVs/refresh rates/cable types etc. But suddenly in 2023 I have found out about workaround, which is Pixel Format setting in AMD Adrenalin. When it is identical for both screens, everything works just fine. By default one of my screens gets 12 bit color Pixel Format (probably wrongly reported by the chip), and when it is set at Full RGB 4:4:4 for both screens, all problems are magically gone.
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