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[DSirius]

I had such issues since the times of RX570. I had dual screen setup for a long time, and with different monitors/TVs/refresh rates/cable types etc. But suddenly in 2023 I have found out about workaround, which is Pixel Format setting in AMD Adrenalin. When it is identical for both screens, everything works just fine. By default one of my screens gets 12 bit color Pixel Format (probably wrongly reported by the chip), and when it is set at Full RGB 4:4:4 for both screens, all problems are magically gone.

Thank you for the info. I'll check into it. Because nowadays I have 2 monitors, an 32", 4K LG 32GQ950-B and 34" Dell Alienware AW3423DWF. Different resolutions, different refresh rates, so would definitely be very helpful, though I did not had those kind of issues like before.

 

[bluetooth fairy]

Don't know why it happens all the time when AMD has new hardware announcement, these forums become like Augean stables. It works like a trigger for many of us. Like it's legit to spill all the sh*t that was done to us, intentionally or not.

But if we return to the subject, I find AMD Radeon Anti-Lag+ naming very funny. It sounds like something is horribly lagging deep inside of little child Radeon, so AMD has to admit it and work hard to find an anti-dot. Now it is confirmed that to fight the devil more effectively, it takes RDNA3 IP.

But seriously, I don't use these farts and whistles incl. FidelityFX Super Resolution (sounds like something good while it is the opposite). Most of the time AMD s*cks at naming so badly that I really believe that their R&D are in charge of the whole marketing department decisions. I wouldn't let software developers and engineers get closer to PR than a cannon shot. And I strongly advise Lisa Su (of course she reads all the forums on Techspot) to follow this guide :-D

 

[HardReset]

irrelevant if reviewers got them or not if they get sent tested cards.
how many retail cards did they buy ? and when was it ? anecdotal evidence.
if amd said disabling enhanced sync fixes black screens, they must have identified the problem. so problem still doesn't exist if there's a workaround in official release notes ?
btw didn't Steve say in one of the videos his 5700xt required a custom DP cable to work fine ?

They also tested with retail ones. And were not able to reproduce that problem. It should be easy, right? Still, there is no direct evidence that is indeed driver bug and nothing else. Official release notes do not take account every case there is.

Normal that sometimes you need different HDMI and/or DP cable. Not that cable is broken or anything. For same reason there is no need to check if memory is on motherboard manufacturer QVL list or not. Memory may work on not. QVL list has nothing to do with it. In fact, many times it has been better not to look at QVL.

for sam+vulkan in rdr2, go see what your vram usage is at the end of the built-in benchmark.

Will check this some time. Game is already 5 years old however.

100% of guys I talked to have it, so do I. Maybe you have 60hz monitors. I have two 165hz ones.

Using 165Hz monitor too. Another one is not however.

 

[VcoreLeone]

They also tested with retail ones. And were not able to reproduce that problem. It should be easy, right?

I don't know. You said it. I don't think being easy to reproduce is really the criteria for making the issue list, if the problem really involves something that's completely random, like black screens in games that amd never specified in release notes. I think that if the games/systems it happens on were not specified, it's the opposite of easy to reproduce just by guessing which out of tens of thousands of games/configs have it and to what extent.

Will check this some time. Game is already 5 years old however.

so it should be absolulety issue free. I finish the benchmark with 15.5gb on 6800, while 3080 is under 6gb.
amd never bothered to test SAM in games and only whitelist the ones with no issues, just enable it by default and you go figure out what works well, what brings performance down and what crashes. hate being a labrat for them.

 

[HardReset]

I don't know. You said it. I don't think being easy to reproduce is really the criteria for making the issue list, if the problem really involves something that's completely random, like black screens in games that amd never specified in release notes. I think that if the games/systems it happens on were not specified, it's the opposite of easy to reproduce just by guessing which out of tens of thousands of games/configs have it and to what extent.

Problem is probably quite random and there may be many reasons for that. My point is that there might be endless possibilities for reasons like that. OS, hardware, games, drivers etc. But some people are very sure drivers are to blame.

so it should be absolulety issue free. I finish the benchmark with 15.5gb on 6800, while 3080 is under 6gb.
amd never bothered to test SAM in games and only whitelist the ones with no issues, just enable it by default and you go figure out what works well, what brings performance down and what crashes. hate being a labrat for them.

In other words, it's so old that developer no longer bothers to fix anything. Again, you seem to be sure it's about AMD and not about anything else. Like game itself?

Again, perhaps game itself is broken and there is nothing AMD can do about it? Just like with black screen issue, you are sure this issue is AMD's fault. Everything else works as intended but AMD is only one that screws up

 

[VcoreLeone]

Again, perhaps game itself is broken and there is nothing AMD can do about it? Just like with black screen issue, you are sure this issue is AMD's fault. Everything else works as intended but AMD is only one that screws up

then again, people would report the same on nvidia x10 more, as is their market share.but they never did report thousands of nvidia cards with intermittent black screen at that time.
micron/samsung gddr6 was the only issue on turing with 2080ti just dying because of faulty vram.there were no black screen driver problems.

Failing RTX 2080 Ti cards caused by Micron GDDR6 memory ?

repeated reports of RTX 2080 Ti failures and how those failures were piling up and making waves on Reddit and Nvidia’s own forums that nvidia had to put a public statement confirming the issue at question and promising to solve it. The statement however was pretty vague about what was the cause...

www.techpowerup.com

and like I said, if amd recommended disabling enhanced sync and it worked, they found the problem was drivers indeed.
anyway, this is pointless as you don't seem to use logic or acccept evidence from amd theselves, and way OT to begin with. the mods will kill our *** for this nonsense.

 

[HardReset]

then again, people would report the same on nvidia x10 more, as is their market share.but they never did report thousands of nvidia cards with intermittent black screen at that time.

Oh, now Nvidia has 10x more market share than AMD has. I doubt Nvidia has ever had even double GPU market share vs AMD.

What micron/samsung gddr6 was the only issue on turing with 2080ti just dying because of faulty vram.there were no black screen driver problems.

Failing RTX 2080 Ti cards caused by Micron GDDR6 memory ?

repeated reports of RTX 2080 Ti failures and how those failures were piling up and making waves on Reddit and Nvidia’s own forums that nvidia had to put a public statement confirming the issue at question and promising to solve it. The statement however was pretty vague about what was the cause...

www.techpowerup.com

and like I said, if amd recommended disabling enhanced sync and it worked, they found the problem was drivers indeed.

If we believe reports, it did NOT solve most problems. If it was that easy, why would anyone complain so much?

anyway, this is pointless as you don't seem to use logic or acccept evidence from amd theselves, and way OT to begin with. the mods will kill our *** for this nonsense.

Your logic, as you already show, is that if old game has problem, reason must be AMD It cannot be anything else. I also disagree that old games surely have most problems fixed as most games released never fix many problems.

I gladly accept that there is no black screen problem if you just disable enhanced sync. But then there is question why there are so much reports about that problem if it really was That easy to fix. Sounds strange indeed. Also reviewers surely tried if they could replicate problem enabling enhanced sync. But no.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

That's true, however, I'm going to base my experiences on a 5700XT and 1080Ti.

Nvidia fix their issues, and usually quite quick as well. The 1080Ti today is solid driver wise, doesn't crash, I don't have any issues with it.

5700XT on the other hand, I still get regular crashing issues, I don't understand how it's still soo crashy after all these years.

Baulders Gate 3 as a brilliant example, Nvidia 1080Ti, not crashed once because of the Nvidia driver, 5700XT, at least seven times. Probably more but haven't counted them.

The 5700XT was a pretty crappy card compared to the rest of AMD's lineup. The issues people had with the 5700XT pretty much didn't exist with their other range of cards. I know a few folks that had 5700XT and they had them replaced multiple times due to crashes/failures. My brother even used a 5700XT - had to try 4 different drivers when he installed it to get one that worked. He used it for a couple years without any other issues, even after updating drivers a handful of months after he got it. It was kind of hit and miss with people and that card.

This argument is pure "whataboutism" and does nothing to address the argument. By presenting this, you are admitting to AMD having bad drivers and you have nothing to refute that argument with, so you have to drag attention to a different subject.

Do better.

Haha. No, as you say, "whataboutism" about it. Both teams have had bad drivers. I love when people start throwing around the stupid terms such as "strawman" or "whataboutism" or "misinformation" when they don't like what others have to say. Here are just a couple of links that come up when searching for bad driver issues with Nvidia.

Nvidia 196.75 GPU driver burning up graphics cards

Nvidia has yanked the latest WHQL graphics driver release (196.75) from its website after reports started pouring in about insane temperature increases and card failures. According to...

www.techspot.com

Latest GeForce Driver Causing High CPU Usage, Nvidia Releases Fix

After closing a game, you might see the Nvidia driver sucking down CPU cycles until you reboot.

www.extremetech.com

There has been multiple WHQL drivers from Nvidia that has cooked cards. I know there is also at least one from AMD that cooked cards. Each side has bad drivers. There are many other people having issues with similar things on both sides - black screens, instability, loss of performance, video playback problems and so on.

Remember, not every driver is going to work with every system. If you use a driver that causes problems, try a different one or go back to the one that was working without fail. I know I had to sit on driver 182.50 for almost a year because anything after it for a while caused so many issues with my setup. Eventually a driver was released that didn't cause any issues, but it took almost a year for that to happen.

 

[VcoreLeone]

Oh, now Nvidia has 10x more market share than AMD has. I doubt Nvidia has ever had even double GPU market share vs AMD.

You doubt everything that's been proved but you don't like.

The 5700XT was a pretty crappy card compared to the rest of AMD's lineup. The issues people had with the 5700XT pretty much didn't exist with their other range of cards. I know a few folks that had 5700XT and they had them replaced multiple times due to crashes/failures. My brother even used a 5700XT - had to try 4 different drivers when he installed it to get one that worked. He used it for a couple years without any other issues, even after updating drivers a handful of months after he got it. It was kind of hit and miss with people and that card.

impossible. reviewers got good cards.

Your logic, as you already show, is that if old game has problem, reason must be AMD It cannot be anything else. I also disagree that old games surely have most problems fixed as most games released never fix many problems.

if 6800 starts at 7gb and leaks vram until crashing at 16gb, while 3080 starts at 7gb and after hours it's still at 7gb, I do think it's the amd vulkan driver not working well with SAM, especially when switching to dx12/disabling SAM both solve it.

 

[HardReset]

You doubt everything that's been proved but you don't like.

There you go: https://www.statista.com/statistics/754557/worldwide-gpu-shipments-market-share-by-vendor/

Pretty much Nvidia has never had double vs AMD. Or at least close.

if 6800 starts at 7gb and leaks vram until crashing at 16gb, while 3080 starts at 7gb and after hours it's still at 7gb, I do think it's the amd vulkan driver not working well with SAM, especially when switching to dx12/disabling SAM both solve it.

Probably but you also claimed there is nothing wrong with game itself. Different type of memory leaks are very common on software. Also DX implementations and quality of them varies a lot.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

impossible. reviewers got good cards.

Yep, you said it. Just because reviewers got good cards no one else had any issues with the 5700 XT. Good that you cleared that up for us.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Haha. No, as you say, "whataboutism" about it. Both teams have had bad drivers. I love when people start throwing around the stupid terms such as "strawman" or "whataboutism" or "misinformation" when they don't like what others have to say. Here are just a couple of links that come up when searching for bad driver issues with Nvidia.

Nvidia 196.75 GPU driver burning up graphics cards

Nvidia has yanked the latest WHQL graphics driver release (196.75) from its website after reports started pouring in about insane temperature increases and card failures. According to...

www.techspot.com

Latest GeForce Driver Causing High CPU Usage, Nvidia Releases Fix

After closing a game, you might see the Nvidia driver sucking down CPU cycles until you reboot.

www.extremetech.com

There has been multiple WHQL drivers from Nvidia that has cooked cards. I know there is also at least one from AMD that cooked cards. Each side has bad drivers. There are many other people having issues with similar things on both sides - black screens, instability, loss of performance, video playback problems and so on.

Remember, not every driver is going to work with every system. If you use a driver that causes problems, try a different one or go back to the one that was working without fail. I know I had to sit on driver 182.50 for almost a year because anything after it for a while caused so many issues with my setup. Eventually a driver was released that didn't cause any issues, but it took almost a year for that to happen.

You dont understand what "whataboutism" is, do you? Responding to an argument with "what about X, they ALSO have issues" is a prime example of whataboutism.

Nobody was claiming nvidia was perfect. Nobody every did. Every time AMD driver issues get brought up, people get REAL defensive and start pulling up the "but but but nvidia" card. The claim, I'll remind you, is that AMD's drivers are bad, and was further expanded to "AMD has issues that dont get addressed for long periods of time". Nvidia having driver issues does not refute nor support this argument, it has nothing to do with said argument, therefore, it is whataboutism. If anything, your "argument" undermines your position further, as it sure looks like the issues you linked were fixed by nvidia in short order. Oops.

Address the argument at hand, stop trying to drag an entirely different argument into the room to make a different point. It's not hard.

 

[Puiu]

This argument is pure "whataboutism" and does nothing to address the argument. By presenting this, you are admitting to AMD having bad drivers and you have nothing to refute that argument with, so you have to drag attention to a different subject.

Do better.
Leaving out the evergreen stability problems, the GCN black screen bug, and the frame time bugs, the fact you bring up DDU is hilarious. AMD drivers are SO good that you have to use a third party to uninstall them correctly, something nvidia fixed over two decades ago.
Oh so now they're AMD bashing? You guys always seem to find conspiracies to confirm your own biases. Tech spot and HUB have been accused of shilling for/spreading hate against AMD, nVidia, Intel, Apple, and Google.

Then me having to use DDU on Nvidia drivers after a borked update must be a problem with me right? Nvidia doesn't have as good drivers as people think and in fact their control panels are far behind what AMD has. (ignoring the stupid forced login)