Better then me, im looking at June lolThis month but honestly who knows
Is your system ready for VR?
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I will have to get a new phone with 1080p minimum res and 4k movie support, but that shouldn't cost too much.
As for PC VR, I'm unlikely to have anything close to suitable hardware in the foreseeable future, but I will surely try to get some gaming experience with the VR systems I'll have at work.
As for PC VR, I'm unlikely to have anything close to suitable hardware in the foreseeable future, but I will surely try to get some gaming experience with the VR systems I'll have at work.
feathers632
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Elite Dangerous and DCS World alone make VR worth it for me. Anyone into racing sims also has a great reason to buy VR.
Same quality graphics in a VR format? Once again we see a lack of awareness and education about what VR is and what it brings.
You can run the old QUAKE on VR and be blown away because you're actually in that world. Quality of graphics is less important. It's the experience of actually being there rather than looking at a miniature 2d image.
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feathers632
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It's not old school. Just not grasping the difference VR makes. Staring at a tiny window compressed image versus being in the game world with everything life-size, 3d.
feathers632
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Yes, there are people out there who really don't understand the tech and it pretty much passes right by them.
Your numbers are utter BS. Oculus sold every unit and pre-orders for CV1 were sky high. Vive is no different.
Someone asked on Frontier forum what VR is like and whether it's worth having?
There are some excellent responses from actual VR users who use the tech on a daily basis and wouldn't live without it.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=236290
Problem is often the casual gamers who have no real knowledge of VR and have no awareness of the history of the tech. Have no awareness of the applications beyond just gaming. You and your family are prime examples of this.
HMD VR is the closest we will have to holodeck experiences over the next 30 years. It's an incredible technology which is why it's used by NASA and the military in various countries.
So you purchased DK2 for a child and had no knowledge of how to get the best from it. Tried a few demos and then decided it was junk. That actually makes you look pretty dumb....
Technician
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Because you have no real argument you resort to name calling, brilliant.
The point you failed to understand is that no one liked wearing glasses to watch tv even though it made it 3d. For the same reason I don't like wearing a huge hot heavy piece of crap to use a computer.
It is true it's cheaper than a full sized simulator so it has a place in training military, but I have no desire to do any military training.
It is being used as a computer interface and we all prefer monitor, keyboard and mouse. And we don't have to take anything off to go get a snack and we can look around the room, look outside and interact with each other while we are all on our computers together, as a family without anything in the way to remove first.
Vr eliminates the social aspect of that experience and frankly, that's the best part.
Watching each others reactions to things as we play a game together is irreplaceable.
We don't want to be antisocial separated individuals, we actually like being together as a family.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-we-are-wired-to-connect/
You might understand the tech, but you fail to understand the social needs of people or the ramifications of isolation on the human psyche.
And its just a plain uncomfortable nuisance.
Funny you mentioned elite dangerous, that's one of the games we played too with vr, it wasn't worth it for us.
That game isn't worth playing at all let alone being forced into a headset to do nothing over and over ad nauseum. It's miles side and less than an inch deep. There is nothing to compel you to want to be there.
Even if you fail to understand another persons reasons for not liking something, calling them silly childish names doesn't validate your point one iota. It doesn't make you look in any way superior or more intelligent, it has the opposite effect.
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feathers632
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Don't speak for everyone. "no one". Plenty of people liked wearing 3d glasses. Is still a 3d community for the many movies, documentaries and 3d porn. Your list of gripes about VR is totally cliche and boring. Gaming is a "social" thing is it? Might be for a percentage but just look on Twitch and u see a whole generation of gamers gaming alone in their bedrooms. Percentage of people gathering to play games in one room is very small. But your own personal preference for gaming is OK. VR doesn't have to be for everyone. I just resent the way you try to present your own preference as the entire world. I was using 3d glasses until I got VR. A friend of mine still loves 3d movies on his big 3d TV.
Your statements about Elite Dangerous are also arrogant and once again you seem to be speaking for everyone. The game isn't worth playing at all? Go and post that on frontier forum and see what response you get.
It's people like you who will do your best to try and kill VR and you will be one angry little bunny when you fail.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=236290
Here u go little man. Post your "elite isn't worth playing" statement on the VR section of Frontier forum. Give us all a laugh.
Technician
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You are absolutely precious, name calling again for lack of a substantial argument. Even when shown the way, you refuse to learn and grow.
You can teach me nothing, save for childish behavior.
Your one friend does not an industry make, do a search for 'number of people watching 3d tv' if you are so sure you are right. Here, I did it for you in case you couldn't:
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...2&ie=UTF-8#q=numbers of people watching 3d tv
Even Samsung recently killed their 'explore 3d' experience in light of the tiny percentage of people using it, and they were a major proponent of the movement.
I have a 3d tv because it gets a very good picture quality, but the glasses sit in a cupboard, unworn.
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feathers632
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You keep saying "lack of argument" which you know is utter bollocks.
You just come across as one miserable complaining whiney fool. Bought your kid a DK2 then the whole family have no idea what to do with it.
Why the feck would you buy a DK2 if you haven't researched it? Are you generally that stupid? I know you think it makes you sound very intelligent and superior to VR tech but it actually makes you look really dumb. It's a technology with an incredible range of applications including educational.
I would suggest you stay away from VR and don't buy any other expensive hardware for your family unless you understand what it is and how to make the most of it.
Have list of cliche regurgitated reasons why VR fails (because you're a really tight social gaming family who embrace the Nintendo philosophy).
You declare the entire world hates 3d.
You declare Elite is a waste of time. So again it looks like you bought Elite without researching it and understanding it. Seems to be a pattern here? So what else have you bought and bitched about? Car? House? Pets?
And you think you have "arguments"?
Grow up dummy.
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Technician
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I 'declare' my opinions, you 'declare' name calling.
Please do some more research and then try again, I implore you, you are in a gunfight without bullets.
At least go back through this thread and see how many posts are for VR and how many are uninterested, or have tried VR and were unsatisfied. That should be well within your grasp.
feathers632
Posts: 59 +14
The fact that this forum is inhabited by technophobes does not represent the entire world. Gamespot used to be just as bad but overall there has been a big change with gamers there being more informed. I know your mentality... Seen it before. You're basically hostile to anything that's not a bog-standard gaming PC or console. You detest anything new and bang on about having a close knit gaming family who all gather around the living room to play nintendo style. While your ignorance about VR isn't uncommon.. your cutesy nintendo family play ethic isn't all that common. Gaming is by and large a solitary activity with gamers coming together online rather than the cutesy stuff you engage in.
Technician
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This is a forum for people whose chief enjoyment is technologies and their implementation...not technophobes. Did you even read the title?
As for the majority of people being solitary and lonely, I can only pity them.
I have nothing against VR, if you like it please spend every penny you have on it if that's your want. You certainly won't need it to have a social life.
I am just saying VR is not for everybody, and more to the point, it isn't for me or anyone I personally know.
Vive la difference!
There will be more room at the country club and the tennis courts, squash courts, lakes and parks for us.
You sound a bit envious of my relationship with my family, is yours so different?
feathers632
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This is a forum for people whose chief enjoyment is technologies and their implementation...not technophobes. Did you even read the title?
As for the majority of people being solitary and lonely, I can only pity them.
I have nothing against VR, if you like it please spend every penny you have on it if that's your want. You certainly won't need it to have a social life.
I am just saying VR is not for everybody, and more to the point, it isn't for me or anyone I personally know.
Vive la difference!
There will be more room at the country club and the tennis courts, squash courts, lakes and parks for us.
You sound a bit envious of my relationship with my family, is yours so different?
See now we have some statements I can agree with. I agree VR is not for everybody. While it's not for you... It is for me and my friends.
Nothing against Nintendo gaming family. I used to do the shared gaming back in the 80's. Again that's a personal preference.
Elite Dangerous is also not for everyone. Some people buy it and can't find anything to do with it while others spend endless hours on it.
Technician
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We game on our computers in our home office, not a Nintendo anything, the kids have their consoles in the play room (MS, Sony and Nintendo) and do that between themselves, I have no interest in console gaming. (I played some Forza on the MS console and sold lots of graphics and paint jobs for a while but lost interest in consoles due to the resolution and lack of complexity)
You came in here telling me that because I didn't like VR and wasn't afraid to voice that opinion that I was stupid. I took issue with that, not your love for solitude.
feathers632
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Yup, I had issues with the way you said no one liked 3d and you presented your list of VR dislikes in a way that implied everyone should feel the same way. Same with Elite. I have no issue with someone having a personal preference.
hahahanoobs
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Just not grasping the difference VR makes to you.
*fixed*
I didn't say I would never touch VR, but somehow you chose to ignore that part....
cliffordcooley
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With VR in its current state, I will say that. The brick for head gear will have to loose a pound or two before I consider putting it on my head.
feathers632
Posts: 59 +14
You need necksercises. I have never had any neck tiredness wearing Oculus DK2 for hours at a time. Check on Frontier forum and you won't find any posts about neck issues. So either you have a debilitating neck injury/disease or you tend to create problems that don't exist.
I'm really wondering what's up with people these days. On another forum there was an ex-soldier complaining that wearing a helmet in the army drove him insane. He then went on to say that later he had to wear a hard-hat for construction and it was too heavy for his head. What kind of wishy-washy weak-necked people are we creating? Last year I had double-mattresses on my head for a few months. It was no problem. I should open a neck building gym....
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hahahanoobs
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Please remember to take your meds every day.
cliffordcooley
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Did I mention anything about neck problems? No I didn't. My preference is to not wear anything heavier than a pair of glasses. I don't even like wearing glasses. And the irony there is I can use them now with my eyes getting worse.
Technician
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Read this article by Geoffrey Morrison, it's what I was referring to...
"When 3D TVs hit the market a few years ago, TV companies predictably said, "3D IS AMAZING, YOU WANT THIS."
We, as TV reviewers, said something between: "Gimmick!" and "It works pretty well, but look at that crosstalk."
Consumers, almost universally, said, "Wait, I still need glasses? Pass." Most people we know with 3D TVs used the feature maybe once or twice, then let the glasses gather dust in a drawer.
Despite that tepid response, Hollywood churned out more 3D movies, released them on Blu-ray, and TV companies kept pumping out 3D-capable TVs that got marginally better, but not by much.
Quietly, over the last year or so, 3D seems to be disappearing. Fewer 3D Blu-rays, less support on the TV manufacturer side, and other factors point to a gradual phasing out of the least-interesting TV feature since...well, I can't even come up with a funny comparison here. 3D itself is usually the punchline to that joke."
Do you know why it failed? Because the movies were still only running at 24FPS which means you get huge headaches and eye strain from trying to watch 3D, the blu-ray ones that are still getting released today are running at 60FPS which are actually really quite enjoyable, its all about the FPS, which is why console VR will fail and PC VR will strive
Read this article by Geoffrey Morrison, it's what I was referring to...
"When 3D TVs hit the market a few years ago, TV companies predictably said, "3D IS AMAZING, YOU WANT THIS."
We, as TV reviewers, said something between: "Gimmick!" and "It works pretty well, but look at that crosstalk."
Consumers, almost universally, said, "Wait, I still need glasses? Pass." Most people we know with 3D TVs used the feature maybe once or twice, then let the glasses gather dust in a drawer.
Despite that tepid response, Hollywood churned out more 3D movies, released them on Blu-ray, and TV companies kept pumping out 3D-capable TVs that got marginally better, but not by much.
Quietly, over the last year or so, 3D seems to be disappearing. Fewer 3D Blu-rays, less support on the TV manufacturer side, and other factors point to a gradual phasing out of the least-interesting TV feature since...well, I can't even come up with a funny comparison here. 3D itself is usually the punchline to that joke."
Technician
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It failed, most agree, because, and I am quoting the post since you seemed to miss it, "Consumers, almost universally, said, "Wait, I still need glasses? Pass." Most people we know with 3D TVs used the feature maybe once or twice, then let the glasses gather dust in a drawer."
Not headaches, not eyestrain, but the dumb need to strap on an apparatus killed it.
Though people still flock to cinemas to watch 3D movies, I think it would also be that except a small amount of movies which are actually enjoyable in 3D, most people would just rather watch the non 3D version that comes along side it. 3D without glasses would never have worked because the field of view was so tiny so only the people watching directly in front of the TV would be able to view it
Silvernine
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I guess the main question is who are they marketing VR towards and what their profit expectations are. If they were to market VR for the masses, then it may failed just like 3D TV simply because consumers don't really want to spend that much money on an equipment that they have to put on their heads. If they market it more towards certain games and heavy gamers who are interested in VR and have their profit expectations built around that, then they may just succeed.
Kind of like jRPGs was for a while (not talking about Square Enix here). It was targeted at a small and cliche market so the money they invested into localizing games and the profit they expected were kept reasonable which is why you still see many games from companies like Compile Hearts and GUST still being localized even though in terms of number of sales, they're low but they still profited from these games. Basically they need to know their market well and therefore keep their cost and their profit expectations in line with that to succeed.
Kind of like jRPGs was for a while (not talking about Square Enix here). It was targeted at a small and cliche market so the money they invested into localizing games and the profit they expected were kept reasonable which is why you still see many games from companies like Compile Hearts and GUST still being localized even though in terms of number of sales, they're low but they still profited from these games. Basically they need to know their market well and therefore keep their cost and their profit expectations in line with that to succeed.
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