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Looking to get a new graphics card

  1. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,377   +127

    You're right the performance is going to be quite similar with all the cards, but a faster clockspeed and memory speed will increase performance by a little. Yes it will increase the heat by a little, too, but not too much IMO it's a minor difference.

    If everything else is the same, I would opt for Evga as they're a better quality brand.

    BTW you linked the galaxy version twice.
     
  2. Mizzou

    Mizzou TS Enthusiast Posts: 930

    Would favor the EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti Superclocked since your getting a card that's already overclocked under warranty and I prefer the reference design that vents heat out the back of the case. The Corsair 650TX is an excellent choice, my last two power supplies (separate builds) have been Corsair and have yet to have a problem with either.

    Beat me to it :) Agree that EVGA is certainly the more proven brand when it comes to Nvidia cards.
     
  3. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    Fixed the link, I think it's official then, im going to get the Corsair and EVGA GTX card married together and living inside the house. Together on amazon it comes out to 349.98 - $100 amazon = 249.98 - $100 that Im going to put towards it = $149.98!

    All i gotta do now is get the gift cards in the mail and place the order. I don't think the heat should be a problem especially if it vents it out the back, the other cards have the fans inside blowing it around the case which i read makes the case hotter, and my case is very closed (thanks to HP's design)

    Thanks to everyone who posted, everyone's feedback was much appreciated!!!!! I can't wait to hook um' up and hopefully everything goes well and easy and everything works fine!
     
  4. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    glad to help just remember if you even need a little extra speed that baby will OC really well.
     
  5. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    I hate to say this but my amazon gift cards are taking forever, and because I have to keep waiting for them now the EVGA card i wanted is now out of stock. So i'm looking at an alternate I spent 2 hours looking over benchmarks for various graphics cards, and Im surely thinking about it in regards how how it would play games in the future. My main priority is running BF3 in the future at a good FPS and good quality w/o having to buy another GPU in November.

    Since BF3 will be using Frostbite 2.0, i have been looking at benchmarks for BC2, since i figure there using similar engines, and probably the 2.0 engine will be better optimized.

    I have always used Nvidia cards, more because there numbering was easy to follow and graphics were never as complicated as they are now. But now i'm looking at these Radeon cards and I am totally lost in there numbering.

    Im going to see if I can get this:
    (http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Eyefinity...2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1297375074&sr=8-2)
    Though I have no idea how long it is, as it doesn't state it.

    Then I found this RADEON HD 5870 1GB
    (http://www.amazon.com/RADEON-5870-D...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297375704&sr=1-1)
    Now for some reason this card runs games better than cards of the same make so this has confused me, does it not follow the same numbering?

    I was also looking at this
    (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclo...PDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1297374141&sr=1-8)
    and this
    (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-...PDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1297374141&sr=1-6)
    **and this GTX 570
    (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclo...2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1297376784&sr=1-2)

    **Compared to the first posts I made, since i added in $100 of my own money, plus $100 amazon, that $200 has allowed me to look at more expensive and hopefully longer lasting cards.
    ***The Benchmark sheet I found for the first card but also shows other cards performance
    (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6950/8.html)
    1920 by 1200 is the settings I use

    What do you guys think?
     
  6. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    The GTX 570 is the best card out of the bunch but the 6950 would be a great alternative. Also note that the GTX 560 Ti is still going to be a great card when BF3 comes out.
     
  7. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

  8. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,377   +127

    Not a good idea IMO.
     
  9. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    Alright then ill look into the GTX 570, thanks for the advice!
     
  10. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,601   +110

    I'm not sure about using SLi. I've had some experience with the AMD version "CrossfireX". With BF2:BC2 having Vsync on sometimes seems to display a horizonal tear in the center of the screen. If BC3 is going to be using the Frostbite engine as a basis I'd be wary of any issues that it could have with running dual cards (that being said I don't see any tearing with Vsync turned off so not a big issue). Also with SLi you will be running 2 graphics cards, so most likely would need a 750W or higher PSU to make sure you have enough power for them. This also generates more heat in your system, meaning any fans that have their speed controlled by the case temperatures will run faster, meaning more noise. Also more power use means bigger electricity bills too :)

    Personally I'd look at the GTX 560ti or 570.
    I saw earlier you linked an MSI Twin Frozr II card, my second HD5850 is from that range and I can testify that their custom coolers are very quiet compared to reference one that most HD5850 cards use. Would a consider an MSI equivalent if the EVGA ones use the Nvidia reference coolers.
     
  11. Mizzou

    Mizzou TS Enthusiast Posts: 930

    Came across this GTX 560 Ti Roundup on Hardware Canucks. In addition to the head to head comparisions of the GTX 560's it also includes a number of the other cards you're considering ... might be worth a look. Some of the results for the GTX 560 are surprising, at times even matching the reference GTX 570.
     
     
  12. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,946   +728

    @Mizzou
    The counter argument being that the GTX 570 is itself rather overclockable- and it's larger memory bus and frame buffer utilize the overclock fairly well in relation to the 256Mb card(s).
     
  13. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    After a long deliberation I decided to get..... The EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked 1280 MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclo...SMGW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1297478854&sr=8-2)

    I can't wait to get it, thanks everyone who helped for your input! I realized only now after ordering it about heat, I really really really hope my stock fans+the card fans can keep this baby cool, i don't want any fireballs or anything happening inside my case.
     
  14. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,377   +127

    You can just adjust the fanspeed up if you need and you'll be fine.
     
  15. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    Thats good to hear! My desk have a section for the tower and I could just shut the door so the sound speed won't be such a problem.
     
  16. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,601   +110

    Just beware putting the computer in an enclosed area. Sure closing a door on it might reduce the sound, but it will also most likely increase the temperatures in the system as well. The intake and exhaust fans of the case need somewhere to intake cool air from and exhaust the hot air to :)
     
  17. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    After all that work it saddens me to say that everything has gone bad! They never shipped out my GPU after so many weeks of waiting. I received the PSU only to find it fits but there are so many wires and such that it wouldn't fit. The piece where the wires come out of the PSU would hit another wire of the drives that it also needed to plug into. It's really the factory HP case fault. There were a couple of wires that needed to get plugged in that were impossible to get to unless I took others things out it was crazy.
    So i'm very sad to say i'm giving up on this upgrade. I canceled my GPU since it never came I was never charged and i'm returning the PSU.
    I still like to thank all of you for helping me, you guys know your stuff!

    Perhaps in the future ill find a card that will run on my current PSU but will be more powerful, maybe around BF3's release for good measure since I think S2TW will run fine on my current card.

    Maybe I can overlclock my 9800GT? Is that even possible/worth the risk?
     
  18. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,377   +127

    Overclocking would be fine.
     
  19. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    Overclocking was a fail lol It's default clock is 600 and I tried putting it up by 15 and watch to see how the temp was, and even not running any games the temp was hitting 80. idk what a safe temp would be so i left it alone. I was reading online that my card should clock to 670 atleast easy =\ Im using the EVGA tool to clock it. So what's a safe temp for clocking? Also what's the best card in your opinion that can run on my PSU? 460GTS? Also what kind of improvement would that be from a 9800GT1gb
     
  20. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,946   +728

    80°C isn't horrendous for a 9800GT, although you wouldn't want to go much higher. Nvidia GPU's are all rated at 105°C -obviously you don't want to stray into that territory.
    In my opinion you won't gain much (if anything) from overclocking the card - a frame per second here and there -not worth it for the extra stress you are putting the card under and the higher noise output -I assume you manually set the fan speed in Precision ? The stock driver profile allows cards to run a little too warm in most instances at the expense of quieter running.
    With the PSU you are running, a GTX460 might be pushing it I think. You would get a reasonable upgrade in performance by going with a HD 5770 or GTS 450 (this one is OC'ed) -both are in the 110-120w usage bracket which should be fine with the Delta unit you seem to have. Either card would provide a good boost in performance.
    The next step up the performance ladder (HD5850/6850, GTX460) would likely mean a PSU change.
    The other alternative is to look at a medium sized molular PSU -only install the cables you need
     
  21. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    Actually I left the fan on auto, but did play around with it to see if it would cool the card, I was just afraid while gaming it wouldn't keep it cool enough on the % I place it at. Being able to only use the cables you need sounds nice since the one i had to return cabled completely filled my case.

    Would you know if Nvidia or Radeon are planning on releasing a GPU that would be able to run on my PSU but be more powerful than the 5770 or 450? I only ask because I hear alot of new GPUs are using alot more power and if there not going to be able run on my PSU in the future I mas-as-well spoil myself now. However, if they prob are I can wait, but I just want to be sure.
     
  22. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,946   +728

    As far as AMD are concerned-No. AMD are releasing a HD 6770 but it is a rebrand of the HD 5770 with HDMI 1.4a (3-D capable) tacked on. Nvidia is due to release the GTX 550Ti this month, but the card isn't a major development over the GTX 460 768Mb in terms of performance but is supposed to require about a 30% less power for gaming -around 110w (as opposed to the GTX 460's 150w, and close to the HD6770/5770's 108w).
     
  23. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    So my PSU would be able to run a GTX 500, everytime i hear GTX i think bigger PSU so it surprises me.

    People in the link seem to be complaining in the comments about it and one guy said id be mental to buy it for that price lol

    Do you think it would be possible to sly/crossfire a gpu which only consumes about 110 each on a 450W?
     
  24. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,946   +728

    Most of the people are either bitching about the speculated price (believe me it wont retail for $216), nvidia fanboys complaining it should be GTS550 and not GTX550 (sullying the vaunted GTX moniker!) , and the usual AMD fanboys who troll every nvidia post on the net.-I wouldn't take too much heed- they all mostly belong to the same tribe. A lot of noise, no manners and short attention spans.
    Short answer- No.
    A 450w PSU doesn't run at 100% efficiency, so even a reasonable PSU at say, 85% efficiency is only outputting a maximum of around 380w -of which, a portion is reserved for the 3.3v and 5v rails. PSU's also lose efficiency over time, so that number decreases incrementally with use.
    I would personally look towards a good 550-600w PSU for Crossfire/SLI even with lower power consumpion cards. You don't want to be running the PSU at near capacity 24/7.
     
  25. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Topic Starter Posts: 688   +48

    I didn notice everytime a nvidia card came out people always claimed the same amd card was better so I always took it with a grain of salt. I'll probably wait to see a benchmark and maybe pick it up.

    Sli/crossfire I was just curious about, id be happy with 1 card that can run S2TW, BC2 on max, and hopefully run bf3 pretty high as-well whenever it comes out. My 9800gt runs bc2 very high but not max, and s2tw runs fine but im a pc gamer im obsessed with thingslooking the best they can. Also i play all my games in 1900 by 1200 so i think that hurts performance..
     


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