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LoTR Two Towers

By poertner_1274
Dec 18, 2002
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  1. sngx_father

    sngx_father TS Rookie Posts: 17

    TopGun, i just read through your post, and i understand a lot of what you're coming from. But basically all your saying is that Tolkein was not a good enough story teller on his own, so Peter Jackson had to improve it. To me that is exactly the kind of thing that has ruined so many movies, most notably Stephen King.

    The whole point of Faramir in the book is that he is the better man than Boromir. Just as Aragorn rejects the ring, so does Faramir. To me that was a critical point of the story that was butchered. Faramir HAS to reject the ring, because he is not his brother (as the 3rd book expands upon, the strife between denethor, faramir and gandalf).

    The same goes for Merry and Pippen. They were the comic relief in the first movie, and i did not mind it. But suddenly in the second movie they are supposed to be very serious while Gimli becomes the *** of the movie. The fact that they meet Gandalf in the woods is a direct contradiction of the book, as well as Treebeard not believing they (Merry & Pip) are not orcs. There is no need for them to have a confrontation with Treebeard, their coming to Fangorn is the pebble that starts the avalanche. The destruction of the forests was already being done, and the Ents knew all about it in the book. They are the shepherds of the trees, and they didn't notice that huge portions of their lands were being leveled?

    Now for Gimli, yes some parts of the comedy were funny but i think Peter Jackson over-did it. The scene of the debate between Thingol and Aragorn... that was just stupid. It's a scene of incredible tension which the story hinges on... and suddenly Gimli lets out a huge belch and just breaks the mood. To me, that is tantamount to Don Corleone suddenly cutting *** in a scene of the Godfather.

    Finally, the one major screw up i saw: The scene where Sam drags Frodo down the steps.... Frodo pulls out Sting and almost kills Sam right??? They were captives of Faramir, where the F*** did Frodo get Sting back? :D
  2. sngx_father

    sngx_father TS Rookie Posts: 17

    The book never really says what the Nazgul's flying mounts are called. Just that they were an ancient breed of creature that Sauron found and nurtured for his dark plans... And they were pretty cool, just too bad the Nazgul's robes didn't blow in the wind when he was flying :D
  3. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,802

    From what I can remember of the book (read for the 1^n'te time just before FOTR), they do see "the white wizard" but think it's Saruman...
    So PJ didn't change the book too much...

    As far as the Entmoot is concerned, I think PJ did a good enough rewrite of it... The way it is in the book would be very hard to get across on the silver screen (Ent's beeing the keeper of the trees, Ent's becoming trees, trees moving etc), so he opted to change it..


    Unlike FOTR (which I thought was terrible until I understood it wouldn't be the book turned word by word into a movie), I knew TTT would have changes... And until Return of the King hits the silver screen, I'm willing to give PJ the benefit of the doubt...
    He's changed quite a lot yes, but most likely he's done it to make the transition to the silver screen make more sense...

    One thing which is easy to forget is that this film is targetting a much bigger audience than those who love the books... Those who loves the books won't really be satisfied no matter how the story is depicted... They all have different ideas on how things should look, how the dialog is played out etc... (I should know, I really love the books :))

    My point is that, as a stand-alone movie, TTT isn't too good, but seen with FOTR in mind, and what ROTK will most likely be, it's terrific... (But if he's made many changes to the story without following them up in ROTK..........)

    .02$
  4. Phantasm66

    Phantasm66 TS Rookie Posts: 6,504   +6

    I think you have to watch TTT as if its a continuation of FOTR, and you just taken a 1 year break inbetween. Even watch FOTR and then go straight to the cinema.

    I liked TTT almost as much as FOTR. It was not quite as good, but it was still excellent IMHO. I thought that gollum was very well done, his facial expressions, voice, movements, everything.

    In the final analysis, these movies could have been done A LOT WORSE than they were. All things considered, they turned out well considering they have to appeal to a wider audience than the books as Mr Galibali said. I think there's little to complain about unless you are a REAL knitpicker....
  5. sngx_father

    sngx_father TS Rookie Posts: 17

    hehe i'm a real knitpicker :D
  6. TS | Thomas

    TS | Thomas TS Rookie Posts: 1,327

    I've actually started reading the book myself when I got back from the US (3 weeks ago or so). I'm almost finished Fellowship & I think the films really did do a good job based on what I've read so far.

    The only thing I miss from the book so far is the humorous scene where Bilbo's left items for various people to take after he disappears, such as the spoons. I really liked how he did "Bill" too. The nazgul didn't seem as threatening in the book though (probably cause they said more). Samwise seems a lot more slave like the book to, which doesn't quite seem to fit in right either. Gollums done well enough, though the special edition dvd also well covers that gollum is following them to, & frodo talking about gollum to gandalf in the mines (film) fitted in a bit nicer than where it was in the book too I felt.
    The other thing about the books is of course the better sense of continuity. I mean, in FOTR the book there was already some talk of Rohan & other lands, not to mention Shadowfax & Frodo seeing a "White wizard" in the mirror of galadriel.
  7. sngx_father

    sngx_father TS Rookie Posts: 17

    heheh yeah, in the books sam's head is WAY WAY WAY up frodo's posterior :D
    And it only gets worse when they enter Mordor...

    Another thing that always made me wonder (and i think it's a flaw in both the book and movie) is that Gollum is in Moria with the Fellowship. But they all had to run in there suddenly when the monster attacks and destroys the door behind them. How did Gollum get in there?
  8. conradguerrero

    conradguerrero TS Rookie Posts: 357

    Gollum is already in Moria, and there is no way he would know any elvish language (to open the door from the lake).
  9. TS | Thomas

    TS | Thomas TS Rookie Posts: 1,327

    While the entrance at Moria the fellowship used was destroyed there were several entrances to Moria, not just one so whether Gollum was already there or not matters little (I prefer to think he wasn't as it was known that he did seek out Bilbo & recently before Frodo left so having him just happening to be in Moria & meet up by chance seems off).
    Besides it just further shows Gollums desire for the ring, nothing would stop him.

    Finished book one right now BTW


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