TopGun, i just read through your post, and i understand a lot of what you're coming from. But basically all your saying is that Tolkein was not a good enough story teller on his own, so Peter Jackson had to improve it. To me that is exactly the kind of thing that has ruined so many movies, most notably Stephen King. The whole point of Faramir in the book is that he is the better man than Boromir. Just as Aragorn rejects the ring, so does Faramir. To me that was a critical point of the story that was butchered. Faramir HAS to reject the ring, because he is not his brother (as the 3rd book expands upon, the strife between denethor, faramir and gandalf). The same goes for Merry and Pippen. They were the comic relief in the first movie, and i did not mind it. But suddenly in the second movie they are supposed to be very serious while Gimli becomes the *** of the movie. The fact that they meet Gandalf in the woods is a direct contradiction of the book, as well as Treebeard not believing they (Merry & Pip) are not orcs. There is no need for them to have a confrontation with Treebeard, their coming to Fangorn is the pebble that starts the avalanche. The destruction of the forests was already being done, and the Ents knew all about it in the book. They are the shepherds of the trees, and they didn't notice that huge portions of their lands were being leveled? Now for Gimli, yes some parts of the comedy were funny but i think Peter Jackson over-did it. The scene of the debate between Thingol and Aragorn... that was just stupid. It's a scene of incredible tension which the story hinges on... and suddenly Gimli lets out a huge belch and just breaks the mood. To me, that is tantamount to Don Corleone suddenly cutting *** in a scene of the Godfather. Finally, the one major screw up i saw: The scene where Sam drags Frodo down the steps.... Frodo pulls out Sting and almost kills Sam right??? They were captives of Faramir, where the F*** did Frodo get Sting back?