Major ISPs, recording industry unveil six-strike anti-piracy system
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Saintnsinner
Posts: 56 +11
Then move!
re - hello...
why is there always a 'Guest' who just come, read half of the lines & comment as if never understood even half of what's been read !!!
I wouldn't buy a Duke Nukem without proper review or trying it via legal means, i.e. demos!
I've bought / pre-ordered a few games in the past, only when i was sure of what i felt about, not what would be the outcome (ex, pre-orders en cours: Uncharted 3 & Diablo III). ..
If you really want something early, try to save for it & check reviews & seek advice before buying, for i doubt the authorities will make a difference between a full version demo from illegal source & an illegal download from a pirate.
what i really meant was that it's not worth taking such risk & i know things are being done, ISP, government side. I may even have a better insight than a lot of people for some reasons, so you'd better be prepared, that's all! It has begun ....
sorry but used to think like you then i realised i was tricking myself into believing into this. i just wish for everyone not agreeing to someday become a great artist, a game developer or software designer & that no one does anything to protect your work.
cheers!
why is there always a 'Guest' who just come, read half of the lines & comment as if never understood even half of what's been read !!!
I wouldn't buy a Duke Nukem without proper review or trying it via legal means, i.e. demos!
I've bought / pre-ordered a few games in the past, only when i was sure of what i felt about, not what would be the outcome (ex, pre-orders en cours: Uncharted 3 & Diablo III). ..
If you really want something early, try to save for it & check reviews & seek advice before buying, for i doubt the authorities will make a difference between a full version demo from illegal source & an illegal download from a pirate.
what i really meant was that it's not worth taking such risk & i know things are being done, ISP, government side. I may even have a better insight than a lot of people for some reasons, so you'd better be prepared, that's all! It has begun ....
sorry but used to think like you then i realised i was tricking myself into believing into this. i just wish for everyone not agreeing to someday become a great artist, a game developer or software designer & that no one does anything to protect your work.
cheers!
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Guest
So this guy Richy2k9 WTF is all I can say Demo's are not illegal they are free and there is no such a thing as a illegal source to download something for free o and btw we shouldnt be punished for downloading stuff when its 1. not stealing and 2. we didnt publish the stuff or others so you know we shouldnt be punished 
If you really want something early, try to save for it & check reviews & seek advice before buying, for i doubt the authorities will make a difference between a full version demo from illegal source & an illegal download from a pirate.
So ye stop being a law enforcement fanboy!
If you really want something early, try to save for it & check reviews & seek advice before buying, for i doubt the authorities will make a difference between a full version demo from illegal source & an illegal download from a pirate.
So ye stop being a law enforcement fanboy!
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Guest
The problem being that the U.S. courts declared that an IP address does not equal a person.
I could even prove this in a court room, by spoofing the IP and MAC address of the lawyer representing some recording studios, and illegally downloading files owned by different copyright holders.
He's either now a pirate, or an IP address is not a reliable way to identify someone by.
I could even prove this in a court room, by spoofing the IP and MAC address of the lawyer representing some recording studios, and illegally downloading files owned by different copyright holders.
He's either now a pirate, or an IP address is not a reliable way to identify someone by.
hello ...
pfff!
what did i say, OK repeat:
"why is there always a 'Guest' who just come, read half of the lines & comment as if never understood even half of what's been read !!!"
1st - nothing is really free !
2nd - i was referring to illegal sites & ...
by
"If you really want something early, try to save for it & check reviews & seek advice before buying, for i doubt the authorities will make a difference between a full version demo from illegal source & an illegal download from a pirate."
i meant :
following to the allusion of buying Duke Nukem full price & later regret it, some people tend to download full pirated version as a 'demo' for even if someone after playing a little or fully a pirated copy, that person would go buy full original version, it is not the way the authorities see it, it will go in the same junk bin of 'thieves' tracked by such new laws.
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for your information, i'm not a law enforcement fanboy, but warning you, as you didn't get my posts right, let me state it clear for you, i work in a field where i see a lot of things go through & it's been some times since i started posted the "it has begun..." replies concerning the hacking scene & piracy, well if you don't like it, just don't read, if you want to comment, come with proper argument & please do remain mature else it doesn't hurt me but you!
moreover, no one here can't say that i wasn't right for the posts i made before concerning government's reaction to these two fields... go check 'em all if you have some time!
cheers!
pfff!
what did i say, OK repeat:
"why is there always a 'Guest' who just come, read half of the lines & comment as if never understood even half of what's been read !!!"
1st - nothing is really free !
2nd - i was referring to illegal sites & ...
by
"If you really want something early, try to save for it & check reviews & seek advice before buying, for i doubt the authorities will make a difference between a full version demo from illegal source & an illegal download from a pirate."
i meant :
following to the allusion of buying Duke Nukem full price & later regret it, some people tend to download full pirated version as a 'demo' for even if someone after playing a little or fully a pirated copy, that person would go buy full original version, it is not the way the authorities see it, it will go in the same junk bin of 'thieves' tracked by such new laws.
&
for your information, i'm not a law enforcement fanboy, but warning you, as you didn't get my posts right, let me state it clear for you, i work in a field where i see a lot of things go through & it's been some times since i started posted the "it has begun..." replies concerning the hacking scene & piracy, well if you don't like it, just don't read, if you want to comment, come with proper argument & please do remain mature else it doesn't hurt me but you!
moreover, no one here can't say that i wasn't right for the posts i made before concerning government's reaction to these two fields... go check 'em all if you have some time!
cheers!
foreverzero89
Posts: 211 +1
not anymore i'm afraid.
foreverzero89
Posts: 211 +1
a old and invalid argument and i'm tired of hearing it.
paynetrain007
Posts: 92 +10
The thing is all of you who are saying this is anti freedom... You have to realize that ISP's are private industry. You are using there products and they have rights to do whatever they please with them. There is nothing illegal that they are doing (as long as they don't search data on your local PC without your permission) If this is about Private industry standing up for there products and taking protecting there products into there own hands I'm all for it. If it has anything to do with government regulations innacting what ISP's have to do and watching user data then I'm against it. So otherwise what this looks like sounds good... But if it ever gets like France's version then I would be against it.
It actually scares me that none of this discussion so far has been about the legality of what the ISP's are doing.
They obviously can not just send out letters to anyone using the torrent system, since it has many many legitimate uses aswell (World of Warcraft to just mention one of the biggest systems that rely on it)
This means that what the ISP's are doing is "wiretapping" your Internet traffic and looking at exactly what you do, profiling for specific torrent trackers and whatnot.
A centralized search system like this sounds an awfully lot like Echelon, except here it is not government funded and owned but controlled by the private sector, without any actual legal right to monitor your data.
Unless some of the latest laws and whatnot in the US simply made it legal to monitor all your traffic.
If that is the case then I say you can keep your illusion "we still have the freest country in the world [sic]"
They obviously can not just send out letters to anyone using the torrent system, since it has many many legitimate uses aswell (World of Warcraft to just mention one of the biggest systems that rely on it)
This means that what the ISP's are doing is "wiretapping" your Internet traffic and looking at exactly what you do, profiling for specific torrent trackers and whatnot.
A centralized search system like this sounds an awfully lot like Echelon, except here it is not government funded and owned but controlled by the private sector, without any actual legal right to monitor your data.
Unless some of the latest laws and whatnot in the US simply made it legal to monitor all your traffic.
If that is the case then I say you can keep your illusion "we still have the freest country in the world [sic]"
Feel free to provide contrasting examples of countries that have more freedoms than the US. Freest is the superlative form of the word, which deals with relatives. For instance, you could barely top 30 IQ, but be considered the smartest in your family. So when you compare the US to most countries in the world, we are the most free.
You're complaining about economics, and while you make some points, what do they have to do with freedom?
I'm just sick and tired of extremely privileged Americans, even the ones who are out of work and have no health care, complaining about how we have no freedoms to do anything when in a lot of countries your post deriding the country would either be censored or you would be subject to some state persecution. One of the reasons a good chunk of the world is annoyed at us is that we complain at these imaginary problems (oh no, RIAA won't allow me to steal music) when the rest of the world has to suffer real problems.
So put your Xbox down, spend a few hours reading about freedom of speech and censorship worldwide, and then get back to me about how oppressed we are in America.
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Guest
Actually, it was Kris Kristofferson that wrote that song...
MilwaukeeMike
Posts: 3,216 +1,469
Matt DeCarlo, was this supposed to be a news article or a heavily baised blog? Here's a link to the PC World story if anyone wants to read about it objectively. I'm glad your name is at the top so I know when to hit the back button now. http://www.pcworld.com/article/235261/isps_fight_piracy_meet_the_six_strikes.html
I'm amazed at how upset people get when you take away their free stuff, even if it was never theirs to begin with and they're stealing to get it. It's disgusting.... guilty until proven innocent? You get an email - 4 times in a row! big freaking deal.
I'm amazed at how upset people get when you take away their free stuff, even if it was never theirs to begin with and they're stealing to get it. It's disgusting.... guilty until proven innocent? You get an email - 4 times in a row! big freaking deal.
MilwaukeeMike
Posts: 3,216 +1,469
Well said. hate the govt? Try Somalia. Think we have no rights? Try the middle east, but only if you're a man. Want a 1st world example? Canada is free... free to pay 15% tax on everything they buy. How about Japan, where if you want to change jobs 10 years into your career you will start over at the bottom rung all over again with a starter's salary.
The fact that people complain about not getting free digital content is proof of how spoiled we are. No wonder google news is full of stories about the obesity rates being out of control...
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Guest
I guess I'll have to go back to burning stuff to optical and handing it out to my friends.
ramonsterns
Posts: 744 +13
You're so used to being alive you should be happy with being dead.
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Guest
Listen Mr. Pavlik Morozov
I am no anarchist, thief or cheapskate and can understand
that someone who has worked to create IP would want some
return for it and not see it pirated. If I download an e-book (Say programming/IT)
and find that the book is well set put together I will buy it from Amazon
to support the Author, on the other hand if it's rubbish and I can get better material off MSDN as roughly 60% tend to fall in that category I will not buy these books and avoid
spending a good deal of money.
it's also clear as daylight to me that media be it music, movies or games are
substantially overpriced in respect to their production costs and frequency of release
and they should be sold at what the market is willing to pay, not what they feel we should pay.
I calculated that if I were to pay what the networks\studios are asking for watching or owning
every episode of some never ending TV series's I tend to watch every now and then
,comic book hero movies, drama and action flicks etc. it would leave me damn near broke.
The solution to piracy is a cheap subscription service and agreement between studios/artists
to provide all their content through these major subscription channels, all sharing one membership/identity token. Say $15 a month for everything everyone releases to be available for streaming in HD sounds fair and maybe latest in-demand movies for an additional on-top, one time fee of 70c - $1.30, where this movie will be included into the price of the $15 subscription after the initial 4-6 weeks or so from the date of release. Otherwise trying to charge $20-$35 for new DVD's, downloads or albums is a greedy model that will see the majority of people turn to piracy. Sell more for less, not less for more!
The big corps a re f...ng dreaming! if they think the majority of the population
have enough to pay for all their sh*t separately. Oh yeah, here you you go Mr. Apple
$24.95 for your iCloud music services this month, I did want to listen to more music
but used up my credits
, here you go Mr. Cable TV/HBO provider $45 for you, here you go Mr. NetFlix $18 for you this month. Not to mention all the broadband and connectivity bills associated with accessing these services. Here you go Mr. Cinema $15 - $30 for you. But wait I did want to have some of these permanently on my hard drive looks like I am gonna buy the DVD\Download too now.
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Guest
OKay I usually don't post but had to make a quick comment, the United States is not hardly the richest country in the world. Have you considered our economy or the fact our country is in debt?
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Guest
"Repeat after me.... "Class Action"
Good luck with that. There was a supreme court decision a couple months ago that pretty much says customers will have to agree to arbitration. A lot of ISPs changed their terms to include that if it wasn't already in there. I know it's now in AT&Ts agreement.
Good luck with that. There was a supreme court decision a couple months ago that pretty much says customers will have to agree to arbitration. A lot of ISPs changed their terms to include that if it wasn't already in there. I know it's now in AT&Ts agreement.
Guest said:
>>SNIP<<
>>SNIP<<
Listen Mr. Pavlik Morozov
I am no anarchist, thief or cheapskate and can understand
that someone who has worked to create IP would want some
return for it and not see it pirated. If I download an e-book (Say programming/IT)
and find that the book is well set put together I will buy it from Amazon
to support the Author, on the other hand if it's rubbish and I can get better material off MSDN as roughly 60% tend to fall in that category I will not buy these books and avoid
spending a good deal of money.
it's also clear as daylight to me that media be it music, movies or games are
substantially overpriced in respect to their production costs and frequency of release
and they should be sold at what the market is willing to pay, not what they feel we should pay.
I calculated that if I were to pay what the networks\studios are asking for watching or owning
every episode of some never ending TV series's I tend to watch every now and then
,comic book hero movies, drama and action flicks etc. it would leave me damn near broke.
The solution to piracy is a cheap subscription service and agreement between studios/artists
to provide all their content through these major subscription channels, all sharing one membership/identity token. Say $15 a month for everything everyone releases to be available for streaming in HD sounds fair and maybe latest in-demand movies for an additional on-top, one time fee of 70c - $1.30, where this movie will be included into the price of the $15 subscription after the initial 4-6 weeks or so from the date of release. Otherwise trying to charge $20-$35 for new DVD's, downloads or albums is a greedy model that will see the majority of people turn to piracy. Sell more for less, not less for more!
The big corps a re f...ng dreaming! if they think the majority of the population
have enough to pay for all their sh*t separately. Oh yeah, here you you go Mr. Apple
$24.95 for your iCloud music services this month, I did want to listen to more music
but used up my credits
hello ...
I don't know if you are same guest i've replied to, but you too seem not to see the core of my message, maybe i don't express myself clearly, sorry for that my main language being much more French based.
I'm no activist or loyalist to some causes, but i know what's being cooked & only saying that it doesn't seem worth it to be tagged & put in same basket as other pirates when you do things like what you said, 'full version demo' ....to the authorities would be guilty of piracy & that's it.
I still don't understand why some would take such risk download a 'bad' movie or quoting you: "some never ending TV series's I tend to watch every now and then" ...
if it's bad, it's bad! hackers & pirates have been giving governments reasons to support those big corps & ISPs in such crusade & now with legal support it will be worst for even passive 'illegal downloaders'.
I agree with the propositions you made & the bad business models already in place, I don't even have netflix / hulu & youtube movies from my region, i have only SAT TV (French) & buying DVDs/Blu-rays online ... so yes piracy is high in MU. I'm one of the rare not going that way anymore. There are alternatives, free & legal or cheap & accessible, yet people need to look for them.
Like you said, if not good to buy a book, you look for alternative from MSDN library, when you are a student, you do have a lot of free legal alternatives, when you buy some equipments you do get the proper supporting documents & software where needed. Freewares, good ones exist.
The 'pirates' i've met don't do so for the price but because it's easy, even rich landlords do so, working in a field i can see how the near future will be technologically (ISP wise), i'm sure things will change soon, the process has begun & no one can do anything, except comply or fight by using alternate legal routes. It's easier to fight when you support each other on legal grounds.
Now if you want to compare me with some 'martyrs' seek someone having no controversy in their background story, i tend to exaggerate in my words but my feeling is simple: get the most out of everything by losing less & if i have to be on par with law & respect other people, it's easier ...
have a nice week-end,
cheers!
Benny26
Posts: 1,393 +72
As an Englishman, It pains me to say that Scotland wouldn't be a bad example:
Free university tuition fees (England doesn't get, yet subsidized by England)
Free medical prescriptions (England doesn't get, yet subsidized by England)
Free care for the elderly (England doesn't get, yet subsidized by England)
Free overall healthcare (The NHS)
Very generous welfare system.
Generous legal aid system
...It's a kick in the nuts for the rest of the UK...more so with the free university tuition fees and Scotland having some of the best universitys in the UK.
Sweden is the same, but don't call it "free" because it is not.
It's paid for by taxes
That still beats the system in the US (IMO) since if you get in trouble or don't have the correct insurance you are pretty much going to get bankrupted (or just left behind, unless you have some really good friends)
And btw, most western European countries are the same in this regard
Benny26
Posts: 1,393 +72
However, Scotland doesn't fully fund itself with regard to taxes, most of its money comes from the UK government, and the four countries of the UK get treated far different from each other (like the top 3 i quoted we don't get in England). This is why Scotland, in my opinion, is set apart from other countries. Also, "free" is a bracket that people may or may not fall in depending on weather you're on benefits or not, and seen as alot of people are on benefits in Scotland (just like the whole UK actually), they really do get away with some free things.
I think i read somewhere that Sweden was the 2nd most "wanted to live" countries behind Finland...I'm not surprised, I like Sweden.
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