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Microsoft at War: Keeping Score of Redmond's Success and Fail Stories

By Julio Franco
Oct 25, 2012
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  1. Littleczr

    Littleczr TS Booster Posts: 375   +69

    The microsoft surface will survive. I mean it looks so ugly compare to sexy samsung and ipad but it has windows 8 in the back end that you can use with a mouse. That alone is worth taking a look if they bring the price down. I mean if I had that kind of dough I would just buy a laptop. Now that I think of it, for that price it really sucks.

    Also if they could just add a start button to windows 8 I will jump right in. I don't care that the fancy metro UI is in the background as log as I can have the option to use a start button and backward compatibility with my software I will dive right in.
     
  2. VitalyT

    VitalyT TS Evangelist Posts: 1,827   +546

    That's not a problem. Start8 is a perfect alternative: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
     
  3. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Enthusiast Posts: 230   +29

    As I have said in various other posts elsewhere, it is my opinion that Windows 8's measure of success will be how well it will be adopted into the business world. Since most of the business world just completed upgrading to Windows 7 from Windows NT, I suspect that most of the business world will ignore 8 because the cost of moving to 8 is hard to justify after having just moved to 7.

    Also, 8 brings little in the way of improvements and also brings with it (for the business world) the typical "wait and see if its stable" attitude of all new OS releases from Microsoft. Because of this, I see 8's acceptance in the world being more of a whimper than a bang or a storm.

    As enthusiasts, many people on this site jump right in to the latest and greatest products without much regard to the consequences; however, I see the business world as much more conservative. Personally, I do not see 8's success without the business world buying in. I think there is little doubt that 7 owes a large portion of its success to the business world's buy in. I think Microsoft is gloating in 7's success, but may have an attitude adjustment on the horizon.
     
  4. This seems to be the Microsoft story, let someone else with vision develop new products. Buy similar products or simply copy the new products. Sell them for low cost or bundle for free with other Microsoft products and slowly take a chunk of the market. Microsoft doesn’t have to be better, just good enough.

    Time will tell on Windows 8, though I tend to agree with wiyosaya’s comments.
     
  5. Erik

    Erik TechSpot Staff Posts: 292   +10 Staff Member

    I believe there's a sort of snow ball effect in OS adoption. If the consumer market grabs a hold of W8, gravity will pull down the corporate market. In general people look for compatibility across their devices - at home, on the go and at the office.
     
  6. jizzyburnizzy

    jizzyburnizzy TS Rookie Posts: 46

    I do IT for dental offices. we have about 300 clients and I know they wont be migrating to windows 8. windows 7, although aesthetically does not look that much different from windows xp was a huge change for most of our users. Windows 8 will completely through them off unless we implement the old UI
     
  7. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,085   +715

    Windows 8 isn't for businesses. They won't upgrade only because it's so different, they'll keep Win 7 because it works so well. I can't think of a single feature Win 8 would bring to an office that Win 7 doesn't provide. They should have called Win 8 something else so we wouldn't all think it's a direct upgrade from 7.

    I think this whole Win 8 thing is very overblown. MS made 17b in profit last year and no matter what happens with surface or 8, almost every business computer in this country will be running windows and office for a long time to come. Sprint is a company at a turning point... AMD is on the edge. MS is fine.

    And what's with rating the Surface a C+? It's not even for sale yet! It could be the next xbox or a another Zune.
     
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  8. Littleczr

    Littleczr TS Booster Posts: 375   +69

  9. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Booster Posts: 968   +97

    Also, 8 brings little in the way of improvements....

    That's where I stopped reading. If you look past the UI, there is a lot under the hood.
     
  10. I dont understand why always have bad choices. Microsoft execs are greedy as Apple. All software world makes 3 big divide with Desktop, Server and Mobile. I never Understand why two version of kernels for desktop and mobile has to be different. When they started to build Windows 8 There was x86 processors available for mobile markets. Today's tablets and smartphones has enough power to run desktop programs. They will fail again next 10 years Android and Apple will dominate the all mobile markets.
     
     
  11. hood6558

    hood6558 TS Booster Posts: 292   +44

    Why are we losing the start button and why can't we kill "Modern UI" if we want to? Because Microsoft is trying to fit into the mobile market in the worst way (literally) by having a common UI across all devices - in other words, "Windows For Dummies", an O.S. so simple even an ***** can use it, you don't even have to know how to read, just have someone tell you which colored square gets you to nascar.com or youtube.com or whatever, so you can look at the videos. This is just another sign that American culture is on a long downhill slide. The dummies will win because there are so many of them.
     
  12. dennis777

    dennis777 TS Enthusiast Posts: 278   +30

    I know this wast post before... but cant help it.
    win95 - fail
    winXP - success
    winVista - fail
    win7 - success
    win8 - ?????
     
  13. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 4,663   +86

    MSDOS - okay
    Win 3.x - General Faults ERRORS
    WFWG 3.x - Windows for Workgroups - didn't last so long..
    WinNT4.x Server - Stable after SP6a
    Win 95 - Introduce Start
    Win2000 - Quick
    Win2000 Server - Advanced Server was the bomb
    WinME - Failed
    Win2003 Server - Lots of issues
    WinVista - Slow poke, hardware and software issues
    Win2008 Server - Pretty good
    Win7 - A lot of prior lessons learned
    Win8 - New look for Win7 with dual UI, TCP/IP Internet Improvements, also Memory fixes, better support for touch screens and tablets.

    Still with all mention above you still have fragment of data locations so you'll still need to clean the system on a regular bases. As with 7 and 8 still have the same type of way the OS performances. Win 8 gives you a new look of what's coming for Windows. MSE is now embedded as Windows Defender. Firewall still doesn't have outbound control yet so the app from Windows Firewall Control will be needed if you still want to use the Windows 8 firewall like you did with Windows 7.
     
  14. Sigh.... anyone remember Balmers curve?

    Windows ME and it's "twin" Windows Vista.

    That says it all and the latest of the "triplets" is Win 8.
     
  15. treeski

    treeski TS Guru Posts: 877   +130

    Interesting piece. A few comments:
    1. I don't think it's fair or makes sense to "grade" the final part of the piece (Microsoft Looks to Launch Powerful Counterattack). It seems the overall point of the piece was to look at Microsoft's past struggles and how it succeeded or failed. That final section refers largely to what MS is doing now or some of its very recent ventures... we have to wait and see how they fair! It's not clear exactly what that grade is for.
    2. I'm surprised that MS's Office successes didn't get mentioned. The Office Suite has been one of the company's most important strengths.
    3. Hotmail vs. gmail/yahoo could have made for some interesting discussion.
    4. Cloud services... another possible point of discussion.
    5. It would be interesting to have a follow-up article that talks about what MS is doing NOW to address its past failures and expand on its successes.
     


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