Microsoft says that all new processors will only be compatible with Windows 10

[captaincranky]

Ahhh... more unsubstantiated drivel... shouldn't be surprised, as it's coming from you... Windows 10 may have user tracking - so does Apple.... it's NOT spyware - and it certainly doesn't have keyloggers...!

You should actually learn something about computers before you dismiss anybody's posts a s being "unsubstantiated drivel". Most of what you post is regurgitated propaganda.

Here's what's in Windows in .the way of tracking:

As geeky as he is, this kid knows a whole hell of a lot more than you do. (Or likely ever will)..

This video was originally posted by @Skidmarksdeluxe in this thread; https://www.techspot.com/community/...than-200-million-devices.222594/#post-1517415 (@post# 10)

And just for your reading pleasure, here's another whole page of YouTube results: https://www.google.com/search?q=removing+tracking+windows+10+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Just in case you ever want to smarten up...(y)

 

[Squid Surprise]

Lol... the "keylogger" is simply the same info that Apple collects - and any other OS needs to collect in order to make speech recognition easier... it's REALLY EASY to turn it off... just go to your settings, privacy, and turn it off... same with any other "spyware" you are so offended by...

Yes, it might be annoying that it's in Windows - welcome to the new world - EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT TOO!!

 

[captaincranky]

Lol... the "keylogger" is simply the same info that Apple collects - and any other OS needs to collect in order to make speech recognition easier... it's REALLY EASY to turn it off... just go to your settings, privacy, and turn it off... same with any other "spyware" you are so offended by...

Yes, it might be annoying that it's in Windows - welcome to the new world - EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT TOO!!

Save all those capital letters for someone who won't report you. Kay?

 

[Jack007]

This would literally push people to use mac and linux and eventually windows would be trashed cause linux community would make drivers for virtually all hardware and cause windows to be thrown down the drain for good. This literally is a dangerous position for microsoft to take cause people would also scramble for haswell, ivy bridge and ivy bridge e, sand bridge and sandy bridge e processors and buy them for use for years to come until linux can fully adapt to this type of situation

 

[cliffordcooley]

OMG - It's Y2K all over again. <endsarcasm> The mass majority is so oblivious to what goes on, they would never notice.

 

[Camikazi]

I've already encountered a scenario where I couldn't load Windows 8 on an older Xeon workstation, got an error mentioning the CPU didn't support the latest security standards. Windows 7 is apparently the last OS supported on that platform. Guess what? Went with OpenSUSE. Yeah, Linux isn't for everyone, but it's a lot better than it used to be. I'm impressed to see support from Steam for games.

I gotta say, that is one ancient workstation since pretty much every Xeon from the original P4 generation and up has everything needed to install Windows 8 and 10. All that I needed is XD, PAE and SSE2 and those have been in place since 2004 (SSE2 being put in place then).

 

[Jack007]

I see this a major chance for linux distros to really take the majority of users despite it being lot more complicated to use due to it being much more advanced than windows. As a linux, unix, windows and mac user I can tell you with assurity that within linux every app runs far more smoother than on windows. Whatever app there is on windows an equivalent more powerful app is on linux. Linux literally transforms hardware to its maximum efficiency it can achieve. Its just unbelievable and as soon as open source drivers for nvidia and amd are properly working on linux that would be the day that a major shift happens for gamers

 

[cliffordcooley]

 

[poohbear]

How is this even possible? It's all x86 programs no? I understand if it's certain instruction sets, but if a cpu is a cpu, on a hardware level it should function fine with older OS no?

Anyways, non issue for me as win10 is free. But I don't understand on a technical level how they can lock something as universal as a CPU to specific software? Can someone elaborate?

 

[captaincranky]

How is this even possible? It's all x86 programs no? I understand if it's certain instruction sets, but if a cpu is a cpu, on a hardware level it should function fine with older OS no?

You might want to give Tim Cook a call and ask him this question.

Anyways, non issue for me as win10 is free. But I don't understand on a technical level how they can lock something as universal as a CPU to specific software? Can someone elaborate?

Off hand I'd say simply put the OS' hash string in the OS and a detector/resolver in the CPU. Another OS won't have the same hash value. If the values don't match up, the system won't post. As to what other DRM you might need to protect that system, I know not.

As far as the hash of the OS changing with updates goes, that's what the "Genuine Windows Advantage" tool should take care of when it phones home.


Just a guess mind you, I haven't a clue what I'm talking about...

But then again, you do already have an "execute disable bit", in all the new CPUs. I'm going to assume something along those lines could be implemented against "malicious code", IE, "the wrong OS".

 

[Duckeenie]

How is this even possible? It's all x86 programs no? I understand if it's certain instruction sets, but if a cpu is a cpu, on a hardware level it should function fine with older OS no?

Anyways, non issue for me as win10 is free. But I don't understand on a technical level how they can lock something as universal as a CPU to specific software? Can someone elaborate?

Ignore people that drink excessive amounts of coffee they see things that aren't there.

With the best intentions I recommend you read the link in the article that points to the original blog, it's sheds or lot more light on the subject.

 

[captaincranky]

Ignore people that drink excessive amounts of coffee they see things that aren't there.

With the best intentions I recommend you read the link in the article that points to the original blog, it's sheds or lot more light on the subject.

This is all well and good but, the signs of something like the thread topic coming to pass. As of now, Gigabyte is "recommending" you get a "tool" from them in order to enable the installation of windows 7 on their Skylake matching boards,

The Sherman Anti-Trust Act is an old, old, law. I'm not certain, but I suspect it may need some sort of updating to prevent companies which have NO visible financial entanglements from creating an overarching monopoly. Which is exactly what M$ and Intel would be doing by tailoring chips to only run the latest iterations of M$' OS.

Overlooking the factyou have judges corrupt, stupid, and felonious enough to look the other way when it happens.

I keep saying manufacturers are simply trying to build "universal PnP" out of existence, and the children here keep shrugging their shoulders like that's a good thing. Well, it is a "Brave New World", and we certainly have prepared for it by breeding all the clowns necessary to populate it.

 

[Squid Surprise]

How is it anti-trust to exclude YOUR OWN old OSes from being supported on a new CPU? They're not preventing any other OSes from being used...

 

[cliffordcooley]

This is a bigger problem in mobile devices. I'm not sure why anyone would frown on this, while ignoring mobile landscape.

 

[captaincranky]

How is it anti-trust to exclude YOUR OWN old OSes from being supported on a new CPU? They're not preventing any other OSes from being used...

Well, a de facto monopoly is already in place, considering the market shares of Intel and Windows, both separately and in conjunction. Limiting new processors to new Windows release(s) is forcing planned obsolescence on the market. So, if you but a new one of these, it's mandatory for you to buy another one of those, and that's collusion, at the very least.
Now, if you'll tell me what available realistically useable replacements there are extant for Windows, I'd be only too happy to concede this point.

And as for Linux, it's WINE emulators are always way behind the current program release schedules of such commonplace programs as Adobe' Photoshop Elements. That said, you won't be taking your business anyplace else, should you decide to not go along with Natella's plans for you.

That's what I consider a monopoly. You can tell your 6 year old charges whatever you have to so they don't cry...

 

[Squid Surprise]

You do realize that Windows 10 is a free upgrade to these OBSOLETE OSes, right? And noone's forcing you to buy a new OS or new PC.... but if and when you do, it would only make sense to put the newest OS on it... common sense really...

 

[Frixx]

I guess they don't want to sell any CPUs from now on. This won't fly.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I guess they don't want to sell any CPUs from now on. This won't fly.

Who, Intel or AMD? Good luck with their competition, which likely doesn't have support at all.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I guess they don't want to sell any CPUs from now on. This won't fly.

Lol, it can and it will fly... Why shouldn't it?

 

[captaincranky]

I would say if M$ is giving away a free OS, there's likely more in it for them than there is for the end user.

Since once upon a time, even upgrades had a hefty charge attached.

Then there's the rule, "if something seems to good to be true, it usually is".

IMHO, some of the members contributing to this forum haven't thought this completely through. Once you do the upgrade, you've surrendered your previous license. I'd rather pay for Windows 10 outright, than do that.

So the bottom line is, M$ has pretty much decided to go into trafficking your personal data. Here, and like so many other things in life, for me, "it's the thought that counts".

Say what you like, "the tracking can be easily defeated, blah, blah, blah", but again IMHO, currently I'll keep, and enjoy the relative privacy of what I have.

But above all, "beware of Indians bearing gifts". They're the Trojans of the modern business community.

So, blabber all anyone chooses to about how, "Windows 10 is free", I'm quite content to pay for something I want, ignore something I don't, and quite happily use what I have already.

I've been here pushing 10 years, and I've listened to more bulls*** than anyone deserves, from the rabid and annoying rants of pseudo knowledgeable, wannabe hipster, "my PC is better than your PC", early adopters. I even listened to a ton of crap from people who thought I was insane for not running out and buying Vista, while suggesting they pass it up as well. Here's a nostalgic, "f**k off", to that crew.

The overarching agenda for all this "free Windows 10" push, is an intent to turn Windows into a closed system, the same as Apple. And if,. "new CPUs will only work with Windows 10", isn't a dead giveaway, I have no idea what would be.

 

[James JB]

For those of you who keep saying Windows7 has been out for 10 years: Learn to count like grownups and stop embellishing. Nobody likes a drama queen.

7 came out in OCT2009 which, because I can count to 10 on my fingers, is only 6 years ago (60 is not >/= 100, sorry not sorry). It will be 7 years old come OCT2016 (9 months from now), which surprisingly, is *not* 10 years. Before you start crying that you were merely rounding up (by a scant 40%), remember that you are also the same folks who would cry that 1 year in PC time is an eternity in terms of market changes, hardware antiquity, pricing, etc.

If you want to whine or complain, be correct or be quiet. I would suggest that advice *also* to the author of this article regarding choosing a headline. Omission of proper adjectives to sensationalize an article is disingenuous at best.

Regarding the content of the article, however- I have heard for almost 2 decades about what a bloated, resource hog Windows is (from 98 onward), which is true. Coding functionality for almost everything is no small task, especially in a market that has lots of choices. It takes up a lot of valuable resources that I'd rather see open. Additionally, it is worth noting that once there is a DirectX replacement of equal or greater performance, we will begin to see the decline and eventual death of Windows. As the Microsoft hand becomes ever heavier and more costly, the interfaces less user friendly and forced, the "FU" response to customers demanding the Windows SOP stop changing, alternatives will begin to look a lot better. Really, could it be more stupid to force the Metro interface on a Server OS that will not be on a mobile device in, perhaps, ever? A clear indication MS doesn't care or think through with any real effectiveness from the leadership departments.

Regardless, at least a few commenters read beyond the misleading headline. Nothing has changed. The old cartel is still a cartel. An equally appropriate headline would be thus: "A new substance has been found at the bottom of the ocean! It's called water, and this new find will change EVERYTHING." Note to self: For all that is holy, stop reading (and posting on) the comments. Good day, sir.

 

[James JB]

So the bottom line is, M$ has pretty much decided to go into trafficking your personal data. Here, and like so many other things in life, for me, "it's the thought that counts".

Say what you like, "the tracking can be easily defeated, blah, blah, blah", but again IMHO, currently I'll keep, and enjoy the relative privacy of what I have.

The overarching agenda for all this "free Windows 10" push, is an intent to turn Windows into a closed system, the same as Apple. And if,. "new CPUs will only work with Windows 10", isn't a dead giveaway, I have no idea what would be.

"If you are offered a product for 'free', then YOU are the product." Just because it looks like you turned the tracking off on your monitor, doesn't mean the tracking is truly disabled. You sir, are 100% correct. BTW, are you familiar with the hidden SSD Firmwares "phoning home" with record of all your data transactions? I miss the good old days. Maybe not as fast or as efficient as today's tech, but we didn't live in a world of lies and spies to the tune of 90%+.

 

[Squid Surprise]

For those of you who keep saying Windows7 has been out for 10 years: Learn to count like grownups and stop embellishing. Nobody likes a drama queen.

7 came out in OCT2009 which, because I can count to 10 on my fingers, is only 6 years ago (60 is not >/= 100, sorry not sorry). It will be 7 years old come OCT2016 (9 months from now), which surprisingly, is *not* 10 years. Before you start crying that you were merely rounding up (by a scant 40%), remember that you are also the same folks who would cry that 1 year in PC time is an eternity in terms of market changes, hardware antiquity, pricing, etc.

If you want to whine or complain, be correct or be quiet. I would suggest that advice *also* to the author of this article regarding choosing a headline. Omission of proper adjectives to sensationalize an article is disingenuous at best.

Regarding the content of the article, however- I have heard for almost 2 decades about what a bloated, resource hog Windows is (from 98 onward), which is true. Coding functionality for almost everything is no small task, especially in a market that has lots of choices. It takes up a lot of valuable resources that I'd rather see open. Additionally, it is worth noting that once there is a DirectX replacement of equal or greater performance, we will begin to see the decline and eventual death of Windows. As the Microsoft hand becomes ever heavier and more costly, the interfaces less user friendly and forced, the "FU" response to customers demanding the Windows SOP stop changing, alternatives will begin to look a lot better. Really, could it be more stupid to force the Metro interface on a Server OS that will not be on a mobile device in, perhaps, ever? A clear indication MS doesn't care or think through with any real effectiveness from the leadership departments.

Regardless, at least a few commenters read beyond the misleading headline. Nothing has changed. The old cartel is still a cartel. An equally appropriate headline would be thus: "A new substance has been found at the bottom of the ocean! It's called water, and this new find will change EVERYTHING." Note to self: For all that is holy, stop reading (and posting on) the comments. Good day, sir.

They started development on Windows 7 a few years earlier than it was released though.... About 10 years ago... Had you read some of the comments, you'd have noticed this was already mentioned....

Yes, nothing is new - Very few companies support old versions of their software when new ones are available... Especially when they are offered for free...

 

[Squid Surprise]

"If you are offered a product for 'free', then YOU are the product." Just because it looks like you turned the tracking off on your monitor, doesn't mean the tracking is truly disabled. You sir, are 100% correct. BTW, are you familiar with the hidden SSD Firmwares "phoning home" with record of all your data transactions? I miss the good old days. Maybe not as fast or as efficient as today's tech, but we didn't live in a world of lies and spies to the tune of 90%+.

There was just as much spying back in your "good old days"... Read up on project echelon.... And actually, if you turn off the "spyware" in settings, you actually have disabled it - check your network traffic before and after if you don't believe me...

MS might not be completely altruistic, but, like it or not, if you own a PC, they're pretty much the only game in town... Their new OS is a free upgrade - better than the $100 they used to force you to shell out... I'd say this is better than the "good old days" of Win 95 and OS2 Warp....

 

[captaincranky]

They started development on Windows 7 a few years earlier than it was released though.... About 10 years ago... Had you read some of the comments, you'd have noticed this was already mentioned....

This isn't exactly news. Virtually every product made has a development stage. If you want to get into it, XP was designed years before it was released.

Historically, Vista was foisted off on the public as a paid product, when the reality of it was it was the Windows 7 beta.

This is SOP for M$. Every other Windows release is a fact finding issue. In the case of Windows 8, either there was a lot of muddled "group think" going on in Redmond, or they were trying to see how much they could get away with.

The whole "Windows 10 thing is free", is basically because the desktop market is shrinking, and you can't get away with charging even Windows corporate OEM prices, to have Windows put on a $50.00 tablet./So, Windows is now free but, it basically leads you to the M$ store where M$ is planning to recoup its losses. And, you now have the closed system paradigm, which is an Apple knockoff. Watching Apple's profits soar while M$'s much larger market share can't produce the same ROI, had to be pissing the Redmond boys of for close to a couple of decades now. So, if you can't beat them, join them.

If you have to talk to Cortana, then by all means, Win 10 is for you. The most stable copy of Windows, and the easiest on resources I have, is XP SP-2, on an 11 year old eMachines... Even Windows 7's controls are too restrictive for the environment I work in. No one has physical access to my computers. Hence passwords and UAC's are simply a PITA. I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate some OS sending me to its store for apps, erstwhile it's logging my keystrokes, free or otherwise.

This thing with Windows 10 or nothing has already started with the new Intel boards. You have to download "Windows 7 installation kits", to get it installed. But, Win 8 & 10 go in without any additional effort.

You haven't come up with too convincing an argument for Windows 10, save for it's new and it's free, and we're pretty much fated to have it stuck up our a**es eventually. I choose to resent that, but I suppose you could chalk that up to me being a bitter old man.