More leaks for Intel's DG2 graphics: 448 execution unit SKU incoming

[Gimp65]

Ummm...have you missed the many articles talking about the 10400f and 10600k calling both notably better value then the ryzen 5600? When the 11400f is $160 to the ryzen 5600's $300 and the 11700f is $338 to the 5800's $450 while offering comparable performance, its hard to classify the AMD chips as better value. Sure AMD has better performance in production benchmarks, but 80-100% better? Nope.

I think you forget that AMD was perfectly happy selling you an athlon with a clock multiplier one higher for nearly twice the price in the form of the FX-62, and had 0 issue spending billions on ATi and stalling on K10's development until intel finally woke up and hammered AMD in the face with the core 2 duo.

The same AMD that willfully ignored consumer complaints about ATi's graphics drivers numerous problems with frame time issues until nvidia released FCAT and obliterated AMD in pretty much every test. The same AMD that again willfully ignored consumer complaints about the poor quality of both GCN 1.4 and rDNA's performance issues until the tech media began covering it. The same AMD that abandoned evergreen once GCN overshadowed it, over three years before the fermi drivers would end, and evergreen was left in an abysmal state that so annoyed consumers that AMD had to release a beta driver to try and fix these issues.

The same AMD that created bulldozer, bold faced lied about its performance, then abandoned the high end market for half a decade. The same AMD then came back, released some good chips, and is now asking you to pay $300 for a six core CPU when not two years earlier they were offering 8 cores for $220.

Let's stop pretending AMD are some saints being downtrodden by the big evil intel. AMD is a corporation, and will happily fleece you or abandon you if you are not profitable enough. Their hiking of CPU prices the moment they came out ahead of intel is proof enough. Intel is not a good deal because they lowered prices, they are a good deal because AMD raised their prices to ridiculous levels.

They didnt just come back with good chips, they came back the the best x86 chips in the world, leading on all key performance and power metrics, sometimes by 100% over Intel, that is nothing short of amazing. Sure they are both company's and need to make money, especially AMD needs to since they are just a fraction the size of intel. We have all seen how it is when intel is on top for a decade, minimal innovation, constants motherboard swaps for no reason etc etc. Now no one says AMD would be any better if they where to be as dominant as intel, all we know is we dont want to go back having intel dominating everything - that sucked. As it is now, what we need is a much smaller intel and a much larger AMD, a 50/50 x86 market share would be ideal for the competition and thereby the consumer, we are far from there yet.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Ummm...have you missed the many articles talking about the 10400f and 10600k calling both notably better value then the ryzen 5600? When the 11400f is $160 to the ryzen 5600's $300 and the 11700f is $338 to the 5800's $450 while offering comparable performance, its hard to classify the AMD chips as better value. Sure AMD has better performance in production benchmarks, but 80-100% better? Nope.

I think you forget that AMD was perfectly happy selling you an athlon with a clock multiplier one higher for nearly twice the price in the form of the FX-62, and had 0 issue spending billions on ATi and stalling on K10's development until intel finally woke up and hammered AMD in the face with the core 2 duo.

The same AMD that willfully ignored consumer complaints about ATi's graphics drivers numerous problems with frame time issues until nvidia released FCAT and obliterated AMD in pretty much every test. The same AMD that again willfully ignored consumer complaints about the poor quality of both GCN 1.4 and rDNA's performance issues until the tech media began covering it. The same AMD that abandoned evergreen once GCN overshadowed it, over three years before the fermi drivers would end, and evergreen was left in an abysmal state that so annoyed consumers that AMD had to release a beta driver to try and fix these issues.

The same AMD that created bulldozer, bold faced lied about its performance, then abandoned the high end market for half a decade. The same AMD then came back, released some good chips, and is now asking you to pay $300 for a six core CPU when not two years earlier they were offering 8 cores for $220.

Let's stop pretending AMD are some saints being downtrodden by the big evil intel. AMD is a corporation, and will happily fleece you or abandon you if you are not profitable enough. Their hiking of CPU prices the moment they came out ahead of intel is proof enough. Intel is not a good deal because they lowered prices, they are a good deal because AMD raised their prices to ridiculous levels.

Absolutely bang on. Some people on here really do worship AMD. The fact is they swapped places recently. Before Intel were selling the fastest parts and charging premium rates. Now AMD are milking the market with their high prices as they are now on top. Both companies are as bad as each other and I pity anyone who thinks otherwise.

Personally I’m hoping Intel’s graphics drivers are better than AMDs so we actually have a competitor to Nvidia.

 

[BadThad]

Once again, Intel screwed this up by not making their own chips. Now they're another company dependent on Taiwan for chips - we all know how that's working out. If Intel used their own fabs and produced these in large quantities, they would sell well in this market. However, Intel are the masters of screwing themselves.

 

[Gezzer]

More and more I grow weary of the hype machine. Until I see actual cards running actual games using actual drivers with an actual price I'll reserve judgement. Not saying Intel can't do it, but we've been down the Intel discrete GPU road before and the result wasn't pretty.