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MSI's 890FX-GD70 motherboard brings next-gen SATA, USB and six PCIe x16 slots

By Matthew
Dec 11, 2009
  1. The folks at Collaler.com have scored some pictures of MSI's 890FX-GD70 motherboard. Shot from various angles, the images reveal a remarkable six PCI-Express x16 slots, leaving room for only one legacy PCI slot. As its name indicates, the board uses AMD's 890FX chipset which brings native SATA 6Gb/s support, and there appears to be six (white) next-generation SATA ports along with one (blue) port that is presumably SATA 3Gb/s.

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  2. Richy2k9

    Richy2k9 TS Enthusiast Posts: 515

    hello...

    this is A.W.E.S.O.M.E ... where & when can i buy?

    cheers!
     
  3. Tekkaraiden

    Tekkaraiden TS Maniac Posts: 921   +57

    Most impressive.
     
  4. BMfan

    BMfan TS Guru Posts: 483   +51

    The chipset looks promising,what i don't understand is why MSI put covers over the heatsinks.
     
  5. Timonius

    Timonius TS Guru Posts: 587   +34

    Umm, called me silly or something, but what would you need SIX PCIe x16 slots for? Hex-SLI (Hex-el-eye, Hex-sly) Video? or do other cards use PCIe x16 other than video?
     
  6. lol good luck running SLI on an AMD chipset...
     
  7. spydercanopus

    spydercanopus TS Guru Posts: 802   +87

    Going to be very niche. Not necessary with other GPU techs, unless you want to go... 64 monitor.
     
  8. All I can think right now is how much folding@home you can do with this mobo. 6 core cpu, and ~5 gpu's. Danng.
     
  9. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,970   +739

    MSI

    Why is it that MSI mobo's look great but never seem to live up to the billing?
     
  10. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 1,104   +112

    Put 6 dual gpu cards (12 way CF) and maybe you'll be able to play crysis at full details on 6 30" lcd's using amd's eyefinity (if drivers support it). I wonder what PSU you will need for that (maybe a second PSU for video cards) and how many watts it will draw.
     
  11. deadmongol

    deadmongol TS Member

    f*ing awesome! six undeniably remarkable pciex16slots! you can do a what..? 3x SLI/Crossfire? or a quadsli and a crossfire?haha thats nuts.. like that'll work. wait will it? :)
     
     
  12. It's very nice looking. Too bad it's an AMD motherboard.
     
  13. BMfan

    BMfan TS Guru Posts: 483   +51

    I so agree,they should put the 890FX chipset on a i5 board
     
  14. KG363

    KG363 TS Enthusiast Posts: 524   +9

    New stuff like this makes me want to buy stuff I don't need. I'm good for a while with my Phenom II x3 720 and 790FX mobo, but now I want to buy a 890fx mobo and a new CPU
     
  15. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 997   +32

    I wonder if that means AMD will support 6-way crossfire. But really I think it's more for flexibility, as it allows a combination of 3 cards with decent spacing or 4 dual slot cards.
     
  16. great mobo, everyone must have that, carefully unpack, take hammer and nail it up to the wall
     
  17. Deso

    Deso TS Rookie Posts: 130

    I wonder what speed they the slots will be limited to in a 6 card configuration...

    1 card = 16x
    2 cards = 8x
    3 cards = 4x
    4 cards = ????
    will it follow the trend? 16 > 8 > 4 > 2 > 1 > 0.5
     
  18. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,914   +93

    1) why would you run a six card setup? you can only have 4 gpu's running in SLI/Crossfire.

    2) You do not lose any performance running in PCIE V2 X8 mode....you lose only minimal running in X4 for that matter.

    3) the superfluous PCIE slots are for flexibility in choosing to run single slot cooling or dual slot cooling solutions.
     
  19. Technochicken

    Technochicken TechSpot Paladin Posts: 903

  20. ^^^ Agreed.

    Even 1X PCIe can be use in the 16X PCIe Slot. Not limited to GPU card only.
     
  21. PCIe is everywhere for everything, this board makes a lot of sense, especially if it had a HyperTransport slot for a stick of GDDR5 for that IGP, or just to act as a general purpose dual-ported "L4" type of cache.

    ASUS is selling PCIe (x4?) cards with two USB 3.0 and two SATA6G on them for $66. Nothing slower can handle the combined data speed of those ports, which is (12+9.6) over 20gbps theoretically.

    Some SSD company with Steve Wozniak involved is selling dual-PCIe x16 SSDs that of course plug directly into such motherboards as this. They claim a throughput per unit so high that it saturates both of the slots. They brag about this as part of a one terabyte/second transfer solution they have dreamed up.

    Networking is moving to dual/teamed gigabit LAN and it makes a lot of sense to put 2 to four gigabit LAN connectors on the same card as the SATA6G, USB3 or SSD storage, so you can support iSCSI RAIDs over your multi-gigabit LAN, in other words, a storage area network (SAN). If you don't you will need two PCIe x16 slots just for your 100Gb ethernet connection, which is being standardized already. Makes a lot more sense to stick the drive and ethernet controllers all one one card and let it behave like hardware RAID - can you imagine ordinary users setting up a SAN or teamed heterogeneous connections any other way?

    If you want to run six monitors you need only four slots with ATI 5970/80/90. Two gamers with their own UIs running on the same box (not an unreasonable configuration for some) might want that. Most however would want to run only three, which you can do with two slots. Saving four for everything else.

    Extra GPUs (and ATI's equivalent to Hybrid SLI is called ATI Hybrid Graphics) are useful in general now that OpenCL is supported everywhere. The real reason to use it however is not the extra IGP GPU you get to keep using, but to run (one or two) monitors off the IGP ports on the motherboard and leave the extra GPUs off when not in use - saving 30 to 90 watts.

    So here's a use for all six PCIe slots:

    Two slots for a PCIe SSD like Woz is selling.

    Two slots for EyeFinity (three monitor) graphics, six GPUs total (three per eye, two per monitor)

    Two slots for a four-port 10GLAN, one-port 100GLAN, dual USB 3.0, dual SATA6G internal.SAN+RAID card that supports any combination of internal and external drives using iSCSI in any array configuration, and supports any other drives that the OS supports likewise (including the PCIe SSD that can pretend to be dozens of drives if it wants to be for RAID purposes). All of which is about balances that two-slot SSD.

    Four DDR3 slots means in practice 16GB, which is just about right to buffer transfers between a couple of hundred gig of SSD and a couple of thousand gig of spinning platters, and one or two gig of GDDR5 (ATI uses this on its high end cards).

    AMD's chipset (785 and 800 series) only does about 4000MHz now and at 16-bit that's not fast enough to keep up with those slots loaded. That is, assuming it can actually run all six slots at the full x16. If so the real bottleneck on this configuration is going to be the lack of 32-bit transfer on the HyperTransport bus that AMD uses to connect the processor (the standard bus that replaced the proprietary FSB BS) and a lack of L3 cache on some AMD processors. Configurations like this really need two CPU sockets.

    Why not ? Everything else on the box is going to be teamed/paired/mirrored.

    Wikipedia has the specs on the 800 series and all other AMD chipsets, at least as far as announced... you should look there before speculating on what *might* be the case about its PCIe combinations. I really doubt more than two slots are there for cooling only.

    As for intel it's toast in the high end desktop market: Apple is rejecting its in-core GPU, the FTC is after it for monopolies, it had to cancel both QuickPath Interconnect and Larrabee (graphics card), it won't put USB3.0 support into its chipsets for a year, it thinks PCIe 3.0 (only twice the speed of 2.0) is competitive with HyperTransport (it isn't, especially not with vendors like Broadcom supporting it fully), and it doesn't have any way to exploit the trend to GPGPU (general purpose GPU computing using things like OpenCL) while AMD+ATI is perfectly positioned for this. The danger is that AMD+ATI is going to end up as a near monopoly on high end desktops where all the innovation gets stress tested, leaving intel playing around in niche markets like optical processing and massively parallel supercomputers and NAS appliances/routers (where ASUS will eat its lunch). nVidia also is falling far behind ATI on DX11, on 3-monitor, and on speed.

    In 2010 and 2011 you're going to need very good reasons not to buy AMD+ATI, given boards like this one.
     
  22. drgess

    drgess TS Rookie

    thats crazy
     
  23. Wow, what an eloquent response full of detailed rebuttal! Did intel pay you for that two-word post?

    If they can't even find credible shills to push their dying brand, you know they're in a lot of trouble.

    We all know freaks who spend five grand plus on their primary gaming computer every two years. In two years, five grand will buy you that all-six-PCIe-slots-full monster. People will buy it just to say they have maxed the box out and impress girl geeks. Same ideology as putting five grand into a crap car like a Mustang.
     
  24. The reason is simple, even if the chipset can't provide a full 16x data path for all the 16x physical ports the way pcie is designed you can put a 1x, 4x or 8x card in the slot and it will work just fine, if they had just stuck in PCIe1x slots then they would possibly lose sales to people looking to go trifire and install say a hardware raid card, a pcie SSD card and a dual 1080p capable HDTV tuner card or any of the dozens of other addon cards that are out there, most consumer cards are only 1x yes, but workstation and server cards are usually at least 4x cards.

    You can play with this yourself and tape over the pins on a 16x card to make it run at a lower speed, some games will be effected, some wont.
     
  25. Intel made a few billion this quarter and paid out $1.25 billion to AMD as well, so both companies have the money to develop whatever they can think of, that's actually within reach of their manufacturing capabilities.

    http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/2010/20100114corp.htm

    Should be an interesting couple of years. The box described above might be a mainboard by 2016 or so. ;-)

    Like, instead of a BIOS, there'll be a 30 gig SSD onboard. ;-)

    Or, intel might be on a track like Microsoft, just squeezing customers, paying out the R&D budget to shareholders and doing a few high-profile projects like optical computing just to keep the analysts happy, but surrendering market after market and counting on monopoly inertia and ***** buyers to keep them in business. Just like Microsoft.
     
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