Next-gen Xbox details leaked, from someone who claims to have one
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MilwaukeeMike
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You know...when the camera was invented people thought it was capturing their souls. When e-commerce became big people thought sending their credit card over the internet would be a sure way to get the number stolen. When Bluetooth came out people thought using the headset would be a great way to let others tap into your conversation. When we learned about NFC, people thought it was yet another way to get hacked. Now we have Kinect and the fear is...
So go ahead... hide behind your PC (yeah, the one with the webcam) until those of us with an ounce of common sense have enjoyed the new Xbox for a while. We'll let you know when it's safe.
So go ahead... hide behind your PC (yeah, the one with the webcam) until those of us with an ounce of common sense have enjoyed the new Xbox for a while. We'll let you know when it's safe.
amstech
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You do know Uncle Sam has been caught monitoring phone calls, text messages, user activity and purchases red handed without permission several times right? And no, my U3011 doesn't have a camera
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You don't live in an area where there's CCTV everywhere then?
Burty117
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Ok hold on a second here, all of those technology's you just mentioned have governing bodies and standards.
Kinect isn't, It was developed purely by Microsoft, Sold, by Microsoft.
The company that creates Windows which sends heaps of data back to the Mothership.
What makes you think this Xbox won't be sending pictures back to Microsoft to "help" them improve the Kinect recognition software?
Just saying, its possible.
MilwaukeeMike
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You do know Uncle Sam has been caught monitoring phone calls, text messages, user activity and purchases red handed without permission several times right? And no, my U3011 doesn't have a camera
But have they ever been caught watching someone play video games? I'm not joking... that's part of what makes this so ridiculous. Being scared of having your credit card stolen is at least legit, because there are people who steal credit card. Why on earth would MS or Uncle Sam or anyone want to watch anyone play video games?
captainawesome
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Why does Facebook care which links you click on. Why does Google care what email goes through your Gmail account? So that they can understand their target market better in order to try and sell more crap/ads. Or perhaps because they just like seeing my GF in her pink panties? Or maybe they want to see the meth lab my neighbour has going on in his lounge. or maybe they selling the data to the Illuminati. Seriously??? Can you really not imagine WHY someone would want a video camera perched on your primary TV at all times and one that is always on at that as well.
soldier1969
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With specs I've had on my gaming PC for a couple of years now and continue to upgrade..I hate the thought of what hardware I will have this time next year when the 720 releases. Basically it will be outdated at release, but hey if your 12-17 yrs old this is good news...
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I think they know what there doing. They have engineers that know more then us about this stuff. but the know it all's on the internet will go one about how stupid everyone is at microsoft is and im not buying this garbage and keep complining. but in the end they will buy one and say how awsome it is when the time comes.
hahahanoobs
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You're right in regards to AMD CPU's being poor on PC's, but an AMD CPU/APU optimized for a console just may be where their chips truly shine.
As far as multi-threading goes, you don't need programs developed with it in mind when you want to run multiple programs at once, which seems to be the case with things like Game Juggling. I mean, unless your video editing or transcoding, multi-threading on a console is useless.
hahahanoobs
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I hear this so often it doesn't make sense to me. For the price of one game, you have access to probably the best online community available (outside the PC) for a year. How is that bad?
Please explain why you think it's bad, besides the fact that Playstation has it for free.
Tygerstrike
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Mike
Actually youre question is easy to answer. It would be a unregulated, secure, and hard to prove. MS could watch how you play games on Kinetic. How many ppl play the game or watch others play the game. This is really all focus group information. But MS would have to pay focus groups. With this tech being mandatory to play ANY game, MS would have virtually complete and unfettered access to view any person they chose too. This way they can claim that any viewing they are doing is solely for increasing product performance. All that aside, its more about what is percieved by the consumer. If it looks lke a duck and walks like a duck, its prolly a duck. What the consumer sees is that MS is demanding that what amounts to a camera be plugged in at all times to use their new system. MS may not be watching anyone, but it looks like they want to. In the retail business, perception is reality. So like it or not MS looks like they want to spy on ppl.
Actually youre question is easy to answer. It would be a unregulated, secure, and hard to prove. MS could watch how you play games on Kinetic. How many ppl play the game or watch others play the game. This is really all focus group information. But MS would have to pay focus groups. With this tech being mandatory to play ANY game, MS would have virtually complete and unfettered access to view any person they chose too. This way they can claim that any viewing they are doing is solely for increasing product performance. All that aside, its more about what is percieved by the consumer. If it looks lke a duck and walks like a duck, its prolly a duck. What the consumer sees is that MS is demanding that what amounts to a camera be plugged in at all times to use their new system. MS may not be watching anyone, but it looks like they want to. In the retail business, perception is reality. So like it or not MS looks like they want to spy on ppl.
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Just going to get a small picture of old folks having some kind of strange orgy and put it in front of the Kinect. Aggregate THAT data, Microsoft.
St1ckM4n
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Yup. Doesn't make sense. Just like a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense.
The paranoid parrot in me is thinking that MS and Sony are purposely leaking false information that the gamer public will see as bad, just so when the final product comes out everyone can be very pleasantly surprised.
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Kinect mandatory?
I can already see the headlines: "NEWSFLASH! Hackers jack into Joe Smoe's kinect camera and watches him as he sits on his couch!"
I can already see the headlines: "NEWSFLASH! Hackers jack into Joe Smoe's kinect camera and watches him as he sits on his couch!"
All you paranoid guys are missing the point, Microsoft programmed the kinect so it can recognize hot chicks.
So they just home into the console when there is a hot chick in only her underwear infront of the xbox...
Why why they wanna see your hairy ***?
Oh, and on the CPU cores thing, I think it's great, this will mean game devs will need to program their games so they utilize multiple cores well.
So perhaps we will see some better console ports in the coming years
So they just home into the console when there is a hot chick in only her underwear infront of the xbox...
Why why they wanna see your hairy ***?
Oh, and on the CPU cores thing, I think it's great, this will mean game devs will need to program their games so they utilize multiple cores well.
So perhaps we will see some better console ports in the coming years
Burty117
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Well not necessarily, did you watch the PS3 adverts and listen to why Sony chose having multiple cores? they used the example of one core could be dedicated to processing rain effects and another for water physics when the drops hit a puddle, as an example, then another could be dedicated to lighting etc...
I guess that's the theory but the ps3 didn't really show much extra graphical omph over the Xbox 360 so it may of just been a load of rubbish to be fair.
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I kinda have a problem with Burtys comment, as M$'s Xbox 360, is way inferior, although people seem to have come up with a few fancy things for the kinect, which I see people here bashing so... But alas its the fact you think the 360 stands high above the ps3 that it gives me a hard time believing Sony can retain the crown.
To explain my logic. The Xbox came out and it was cheaper... or so everyone said. The PS3 was too pricey, and everyone ran away from it crying. No one compared the bang for your buck, and how out of pocket you would be buying an Xbox 360. To make it even compare to the PS3 you had to buy, the console, the HD-DVD player, either 7 years supply of batteries, or rechargeable battery packs, and 7 consoles. Total cost £1700, to Sonys £400. I may embellish a little there, but I have read of people who due to the RROD purchase 7 machines. And I can only think of, a fool and his money, and stupid is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
And the reason for the RROD was the X clamp, a clamp that did nothing, did not need to be there, and yet although M$ knew this left it in and didnt remove from refurbished models. Nubs.
I also read ( and sure maybe I read some BS by a fanboi online journalist ) on how the Xbox being the lowest common denominator = bad ports of games. Like many people here who only believe in PC gaming and how consoles are the reason for programmers being lazy, and making the games for the weakest link of the bunch *points at Xbox360* so that every platform is covered with the one tacky version of sorts.
Yet, everyone does believe Sony failed, for some reason, everyone plays Xbox. I have both, I play Halo, would rather see it on PC, specially as my xbox in its 3 years or so has seen 30 hrs of play total. I don't understand how a console with such a fail rate, which is the reason for such pants game ports elsewhere, is preferred by so many. The only thing going for Sony would be the Blu ray player on the Xbox. One of the very reasons articles claimed for poor ports on PS3 was the lack of interest in developers writing for the bluray format.
So while I have no problem believe that Sony can always walk over M$ as they rarely get anything right ( XP, Win7, and not much else ) I have to say I don't believe in the human race. Too many people who know not what they pay for, they pay and play, and hope it's ok to follow the herd down that path blindly.
To explain my logic. The Xbox came out and it was cheaper... or so everyone said. The PS3 was too pricey, and everyone ran away from it crying. No one compared the bang for your buck, and how out of pocket you would be buying an Xbox 360. To make it even compare to the PS3 you had to buy, the console, the HD-DVD player, either 7 years supply of batteries, or rechargeable battery packs, and 7 consoles. Total cost £1700, to Sonys £400. I may embellish a little there, but I have read of people who due to the RROD purchase 7 machines. And I can only think of, a fool and his money, and stupid is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
And the reason for the RROD was the X clamp, a clamp that did nothing, did not need to be there, and yet although M$ knew this left it in and didnt remove from refurbished models. Nubs.
I also read ( and sure maybe I read some BS by a fanboi online journalist ) on how the Xbox being the lowest common denominator = bad ports of games. Like many people here who only believe in PC gaming and how consoles are the reason for programmers being lazy, and making the games for the weakest link of the bunch *points at Xbox360* so that every platform is covered with the one tacky version of sorts.
Yet, everyone does believe Sony failed, for some reason, everyone plays Xbox. I have both, I play Halo, would rather see it on PC, specially as my xbox in its 3 years or so has seen 30 hrs of play total. I don't understand how a console with such a fail rate, which is the reason for such pants game ports elsewhere, is preferred by so many. The only thing going for Sony would be the Blu ray player on the Xbox. One of the very reasons articles claimed for poor ports on PS3 was the lack of interest in developers writing for the bluray format.
So while I have no problem believe that Sony can always walk over M$ as they rarely get anything right ( XP, Win7, and not much else ) I have to say I don't believe in the human race. Too many people who know not what they pay for, they pay and play, and hope it's ok to follow the herd down that path blindly.
MilwaukeeMike
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Ok... think of it from another angle. What does MS gain compared to what do they risk if they were ever caught being ABLE to spy on people. Google almost got their pants sued off because they were recording Wi-Fi locations. Apple almost got sued because they were recording your locations in a file on the iPhone, and those were WITHOUT personal data. Now imagine if MS had video archives of people in their homes. It doesn't matter why they say they're recording people.. or viewing, or whatever. Every civil rights lawyer in the country would be jumping all over it. I can't even think of a legal case (or even conspiracy theory) that comes close the level of outrage that would result of the Kinect recording people.
The reality is, MS is probably going through great lengths to make sure the Kinect CAN'T be accessed remotely. And it's not to make you feel better about whether MS is spying on you. It's to stop common hackers and/or thieves from getting a view of the inside of your home. If you really think this system could be used for spying, at least understand that Big Brother won't be using it... it'll be a hacker who knows when you're not home so he can break in. And that's why MS will do their best to make it secure.
Burty117
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Ok, I wasn't saying the Xbox was any better than the PS3, I just mean if you look at games made specifically for that system, say Halo 4 vs Killzone 2/3, the graphics aren't necessarily better on either, I'm not an Xbox fan boy, in fact I hate the Xbox more than the PS3, I was just stating that this time round, the Xbox did beat the PS3 in sales figures, I've been to quite a few gaming conventions as well, I try to go to PC specific ones but even places like Eurogamer the Xbox was used on a lot of the stands.
Also, the Xbox was not the lowest denominator, it was the Wii, which sold more than the Xbox and PS3.
Tygerstrike
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Mike
Like I said previously. Its about appearances. It LOOKS like MS wants the Kinetic hooked up at all times for something shady. As for any trouble they would get into, I simply point to ANY ToS page that we as a consumer have to agree to. They could bury somewhere deep in their ToS that MS is allowed to view you while you are gaming. Most ppl blindly accept a ToS simply because a ToS is normally filled with so much legalese that the average persons brain just clouds over.
My concern is still mainly the backwards compatibility. I can get over the Kinetic being plugged in at all times. I would just turn it around and if MS wanted to watch all they would see is the bottom of a TV. I have spent MY money for MY games. Roughly $60 per game. I dont relish the fact that I will have to put those games away or keep both a 360 AND a 720 out. Im thinking that the console makers have forgotten the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. As the consumer, we have the gold. If MS and possibly Sony follow through with their plans to cut out used games, well they wont be getting my gold.
Like I said previously. Its about appearances. It LOOKS like MS wants the Kinetic hooked up at all times for something shady. As for any trouble they would get into, I simply point to ANY ToS page that we as a consumer have to agree to. They could bury somewhere deep in their ToS that MS is allowed to view you while you are gaming. Most ppl blindly accept a ToS simply because a ToS is normally filled with so much legalese that the average persons brain just clouds over.
My concern is still mainly the backwards compatibility. I can get over the Kinetic being plugged in at all times. I would just turn it around and if MS wanted to watch all they would see is the bottom of a TV. I have spent MY money for MY games. Roughly $60 per game. I dont relish the fact that I will have to put those games away or keep both a 360 AND a 720 out. Im thinking that the console makers have forgotten the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. As the consumer, we have the gold. If MS and possibly Sony follow through with their plans to cut out used games, well they wont be getting my gold.
klepto12
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The Xbox also had a 1 year lead on the PS3 if you look at sales figures the PS3 has been catching up. Also the xbox for the first 3 years had like almost a 40 to 50 % RROD rate which is ridiculous how much has the RROD cost Microsoft? I think that games designed for PS3 look better than ones designed for Xbox 360 but compared to computers they look like complete crap.
hahahanoobs
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What do you mean by not necessarily better? Both titles are exclusives with different developers and game engines.
Ok, saying MT is useless on a console is going too far, but I don't see them doing much more with multi-threading on next gen consoles than what they are doing on current gen systems. I don't see them challenging the PC for example.
hahahanoobs
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Oh, and on the CPU cores thing, I think it's great, this will mean game devs will need to program their games so they utilize multiple cores well.
So perhaps we will see some better console ports in the coming years
What cores thing? Do you mean multi-core, because we have that in consoles already. 3 in the XBOX, 7+1 in the PS3.
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