Nokia pushes DSL speeds to 825Mbps

[vangrat]

Jibberish18 said:
Now this isn't the first time I heard of a new sort of technology or algorithm that could improve the DSL speeds. The last I remember was a young man from Australia. Not sure what ever happened with that. Now I wonder, how fast do the speeds of this particular technology deteriorate as distance increases? DSL from AT&T at my house is very unstable and slow because I'm basically at least 10,000 ft. from the nearest central office. So, stretch this tech out to to 10,000 ft. and what does 825 Mbit's turn to?

The article you are talking about can be found here: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/11/05/1194117915862.html

They state that the researcher could make the internet "100 times faster." My guess is that this would be only over a very short distance...possibly the research we are looking at here is taken directly from this Aussie bloke?

 

[fritz123]

pushing this technology to this level is good and all, but in my opinion, it's gonna be hard do to sustain. i mean, 400meters is kind of small for commercial usage and it will need a lot of these virtual channels. i wonder if doing that will be expensive. if so, it will kinda be defeating the purpose of pursuing further development of this technology. i think we should move to the next best thing which is fiber optics. well, that's just me. haha

 

[Serag]

400 meters is a waste since the speed will drop the more far the distance is.
But maybe they'll make it better in development, we really need that over here

 

[zenpanda]

Yes, this is very impressive but we as a nation are way behind other countries in terms of pure speed. I wish the old douches in Washington realize that they need to wake up from the Reagan era and move forward to an era where technology and science will drive this nation. Instead, they are stuck playing pass the crap to the next generations while getting their fill of social security and medicare. I wish they would wake up and spend money on something worthwhile such as improving broadband accessibility.

 

[zogo]

I agree, they should focus on fiber optics technology much more instead of developing more effective DSL based on copper wiring. Go into the future not into the past

 

[grvalderrama]

Do you want to know the speed of my Internet connection? You'll be laughing at me... cause it is a damn good joke ¬¬

 

[Johny47]

The 'improvement on the distance isn't that big but if they can keep doing it then cool, and what does DSL mean anyways?

I had DSL broadband once(Wanadoo, very reliable I thought =/) back when I used to share the internet 2 ways through two USB modems, I only got about 1.1mbps but the very embaressing thing is... right now I only get about 0.4mbps with regular ethernet broadband(Sky s***band).

 

[samironsy]

very nice but i think that the price coud be a problem

 

[Ahmed90]

500 meter is too short in most cities

500 meter to the phone/dsl company is way too short

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[NeoFlux]

825Mbps is VERY much .... even on fiber most ISP's do not have data plans even near that fast. Lets just hope implementation of this technology on IPS's end do not require much investment. I could use speed boost on my DSL, since fiber is not an option for me

 

[princeton]

The government should take the money they're supposedly putting back into the country from lottery sales into putting down fiberoptic cables to majors cities.

 

[milford50]

Most providers would just love to pull on DSL, hope this can work in real world situations...

 

[JMMD]

I'm all for faster speeds but I'd really like to see some progress towards making it cheaper. Our cable provider offers two plans. One at 1.5mb and the other at 12mb. Nothing in between. I'd be happy with say 5mb at a price point in between the two.

 

[Brodieeee]

xcelofjkl said:
From where Im from, 6Mbps is already expensive. And sometimes you don't even get what you pay for. 1Gbps.. one can just imagine the power you wield when you have this.

No doubt even with this new technology we still won't get what we pay for

 

[RebelFlag]

I am happy about anything that looks at increasing the speeds across DSL lines, as that is considered legacy technology. Even though the 825Mb is only for 400 meters, at normal distances from the phone box, that is still going to be faster than the 25Mb currently offered as max speed by my provider.

People need to be more positive about technology moving forward. It might not be perfect but it is a step in the right direction. Don't forget it was only a little over 100 years ago that cars were slower than horses, until the technology got further development.

 

[rizalp]

Well, maybe we couldn't have 800Mbps form DSL, but it's sure a viable solution to people who live in the last mile. As we know, the standard copper wires network, is broader than fiber or cable.

 

[TorturedChaos]

CenturyLink is doing bonded pairs where I living, giving 26mpbs connections and up, which is pretty good for the area I live in. But there is no way in hell I'm going to go back to dealing with CenturyLink/CenturyTel - those guys are jerks.

As for this new "phantom" bonded pairs it sounds like a great idea, but has many others have said it needs a bit better range. But its good to see improved ways to use the copper. Just wish the US would put down fiber faster -_-

 

[jason4832]

The Point is how affordable can these speeds be?

 

[TuesdayExpress]

I would love to see this rolled out in the near-to-medium future. Here in Baltimore we're limited in choice to Comcast and Verizon DSL, which is no real contest in terms of speed offered. Absent fiber rollout, this would provide a needed shot in the arm to local HSI competition.

 

[jjbeard926]

anshrew said:
I was under the impression that DSL used the old copper phone lines while Cable "BroadBand" used fiber optics, or at the very least something better than copper.

Cable internet runs over your coaxial cable, the same as TV signals. It doesn't use traditional copper wires, instead coax is 1 copper wire that is thicker and has much more shielding on it than traditional copper wiring. The coax cable runs both the TV signal and the data down this 1 very thick wire and splits it out based on the frequency the signal is using. So you can transmit a TV signal at x mhz and a data signal at y mhz at the same time and it parses the data out of the TV signal. This allows for very high speeds because the signals do not require one signal to stop before accepting the next one, in other words it doesn't have to worry about collision domain management. Once you get the signal to the modem though all the network is done using normal Ethernet and IEEE 802.x architecture.

But, the main strength of cable internet has been their ability to best the speeds of DSL but factors of 5 to 10 in most areas. If 100+MB/s DSL becomes readily abailable it could spell doom for cable internet. Most people I know don't like the cable companies and would rather not use them and they do tend to be pricier. But for example in my area DSL is still limited to 1.5MB/s and the highest speed available over DSL within 20 miles of me is only 5MB/s (though advertised as 7 the average is actually lower than 5, but I'm being generous).

 

[frodough]

great news! always hoping something will bring some real competition to cable so timewarner / comcast wont have their regional monopoly, at least less comfortable.

 

[Jibberish18]

rebelflag said:

People need to be more positive about technology moving forward. It might not be perfect but it is a step in the right direction. Don't forget it was only a little over 100 years ago that cars were slower than horses, until the technology got further development.

I don't think that people aren't excited about it. I just think that people such as ourselves, like to know more about technologies as they're presented. We're all technically inclined here to some degree, otherwise we wouldn't be commenting here. And you know, that most companies will only reveal the pros to something but never the cons. So your job is to always be skeptical of something until it is implemented and full proof. Otherwise, companies would be rich from your paycheck and you'd just be a sucker.

 

[nismo91]

kudos to Jibberish18!

 

[Lokalaskurar]

Even though copper will be tough competitor to beat; the speed of light (in a vacuum) beats all still. Fiber will evolve, and eventually (probably) take over compleately.

 

[jjbeard926]

rebelflag said:
People need to be more positive about technology moving forward. It might not be perfect but it is a step in the right direction. Don't forget it was only a little over 100 years ago that cars were slower than horses, until the technology got further development.

I think in general people are positive about it. But we've all seen vaporware and we've all seen technology promise things it couldn't deliver. Speaking of which, where's my jetpack???

Anyway, it's a healthy dose of realism you're seeing here. It will most likely be years before this is practical for use, but if it can be practical for real world use and get a good roll out this would mean some real competition in the internet service industry. And competition is good for the consumer.