Nvidia launches GeForce GTX 465, Fermi gets closer to mainstream pricing

Dammit why can't they bring any decent cards out so ATI **** themselves and lower their prices. Thanks to wastes of money like this, ATI cards will never drop in price.

Because ATI is and will be superior in price/performance

Loving my 5850 I got on Newegg in February for $230 (coupon+sale). I have always bought Nvidia, but I gotta hand it to ATI.

nVidia still getting it's rear-end kicked by ATI. Until they deal with the power, heat and pricing issues of these new Dx11 generation cards, no one with a lick of sense (other than hard-core nVidia fanbois) are going to be buying nVidia.

Untrue. Many sites have said and this is a fact that because of the better minimum framerates,better tesselation performance and better performance the gtx 470 is better than the hd 5850. Just face it. Although the GTX 265 looks like a joke the 470 is alot better than the 5850

The reason a lot of people think that the new nvidia cards fail is not just because of the performance. We know that they generally perform better (aside from the 465) but at the cost of power heat and a higher price. Most people would prefer a good reliable, cool and power efficient card they can overclock to teh max than something that does the opposite. It might make sense if they 480 and 470 were cheaper, but they're not, so the price does not justify the small performance increase coupled with power, heat issues etc. It's not right man.

Kibaruk@Work: I didn't say Ati outperformed Nvidia in any way, I just said price/performance is and has been way better on Ati's end.

Nvidia's framerate could be better when compairing certain cards BUT, in the end you don't pay a bit more, but a lot more than maybe a bit slower ati.

Well, if Nvidia spent ALL of their attention, r&d, etc. on video cards for desktops they probably would have something out there that's twice the performance of any top card that ATI can put out. They have a whole lot of other projects out there.

So what? Fact is, they do do more than graphics and it bears very little to this argument. AMD doesn't just do graphics either. You're just saying that because you are a fanboy and can't figure out any relevant and factual evidence for Nvidia being better. You're only posting flame bait right now.

flaming/flamebait- nope. Fanboy - maybe, but really prefering the best regardless of who's product it is.

Nvidia focuses on:

Tegra revolutionizes mobile computing. A complex system-on-a-chip with eight specialized processors, it consumes 50 times less power than the average PC notebook chip. It fuels the new generation of tablets, smartphones, portable media players and in-car driver safety/assist/infotainment systems.

ION supercharges a netbook. It delivers rich HD media in games, movies, and Web-based video, as well as provides full support for Windows Home Premium. ION is complemented by NVIDIA Optimus technology, described below.

GeForce accelerates consumer desktop PCs and notebooks. Our best-known product line, it delivers crisp performance for those who play games, watch movies, or use the PC for other forms of digital entertainment.

Quadro is the driving force behind powerful workstations. It’s used by animators, broadcasters, visual effects artists and industrial designers to help create and visualize their largest, most complex projects. The majority of the world’s cars and planes, as well as an array of consumer products, are designed using Quadro professional graphics solutions.

Tesla is transforming the world of supercomputing. By using the GPU’s parallel processing capabilities, it delivers massive performance for scientists and researchers needing the power of a supercomputer, but at a fraction of its cost and power consumption.
*from http://www.nvidia.com/page/companyinfo.html

I'll let the AMD/ATI 'fans' tell us what they focus on besides desktop gpu and cpu stuff.

Either way Nvidia is trying to get out of a bad spot. I dont prefer green over red or vise versa, I buy the best that's available at the time of purchase. Unless you have stock or work for one of the companies mentioned above you have no real reason to be a fanboy of either. Maybe its time to step away from the computer and get an idol, like an actual person.

Its true that Nvidia do lots of other projects, but it doesn't excuse them for fermi, they have worked on projects in the past and still released good cards?

I am kind of a Fan boy, but mainly because every time i did get an ati it either was outperformed by my mates cheaper nvidia card or it blew up on me (litterally).

I refuse to move from my GTX 260 until nvidia sort this out though, Fermi is good but the fact that they naturally reach 92'C is absolutely mental! and the power requirements (if worked out right) if you play a game such as crysis which makes the GPU sweat a bit, and play for 4 hours a day every day for the year then your power bill will be $130 (roughly) extra to run it! thats like buying an expensive car that isn't really much faster than its lower cibling but costing 3 times more to run! Why would you do that?

Although the plus side to their other Projects are even though Fermi is perfect, they have invented optimus which is kind of a break through, they made netbooks run games! and now our mobiles & Tablets are able to render items in the Unreal Engine 3! (can't remember link to where i read and watched that but will dig it out if needed)

So its not all bad, plus in most games Fermi has highest FPS and definately highest Minimum FPS so i guess is some ways, Nvidia has delivered.

BTW i meant the Fermi "isn't" perfect

No it isn't. Price to OVERALL performance the gtx 470 is better than the 5850. It's around a 50 dollar increase for better average framerates,better tesselation performance,better driver support(ati once a month is pathetic. Waiting a month for multi gpu profiles is a joke),better minimum framerates. My friend has a gtx 470 and when he forces the fan at 70% in his antec 1200 the card never goes above 75. When it comes to the gtx 480 it is also better than the 5870. Infact in gpu intensive games like crysis and far cry 2 it beats the hd 5970. And in those games every frame counts. If the GTX 400 are a failure series then I'm an asian granny.

To pick one quote out of many.

You, and a few others seem to think there is some major competition between AMD and nVidia....well, there is..of sorts.

They both want your money.
This way they both get it.

From the business perspective...
Starting a price war benefits neither company. AMD has started to turn a profit for the first time since Adam got out of diapers and nVidia are looking to maximise their R&D investment on the GF100 arch.
Either AMD could drop the MSRP of the HD 5850 (and then would need to compress every card pricing under it to realign pricing/performance ratio's), or nVidia could realign the GTX 465 pricing midway between the 5850 and 5830 and lower their profit line. Neither of these scenario's are likely to pass because both are quite happy with the status quo at the moment.
1.AMD isn't likely to gain any significant market share over what they presently enjoy. While the HD5xxx series are excellent cards in general, their main selling point was DirectX 11 and tesselation, which turned out to be somewhat of a damp squib in light of what DX11 in released games has given us so far and the superior tesselation offered by the GTX 480 in particular.
2. This isn't the season for buying hardware for most markets
3. Both these companys needs funds to pour into the next best things for the consumer...AMD's Southern Islands (attempting to match nVidia's tesselation performance) and nVidia's GF104 (attempting to match AMD's power consumption/performance point)

Have you take into consideration power usage in the equation? They are quite the power hungry and you may not even realize it but you could be easily paying an extra 20 bucks a month for that power hungry hog nvidia puts as "better", as definition that by far is not price oriented but still adds a ton more.

Not sure where you are getting that info but we believe the Radeon HD 5850 is not only cheaper, but faster as well (In most cases). We will be releasing a new article shortly using the latest drivers that supports this.

No one is arguing that it doesnt run hot, everyone and their mom knows this. The thread was about the 465, who cares about any other card. Maybe if you were bringing up nvidia's big brother cards for a reference. I just hear a bunch of circle jerking. The heat/performance issue has been discussed here before and also on numerous sites. Its just becoming a fanboy fest.

I have a friend that bought a 5850 and he says its a great card, as far as maxing setting on a 24" monitor.