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# Nvidia launches GeForce GTX 465, Fermi gets closer to mainstream pricing

Discussion in 'TechSpot News and Comments' started by Julio Franco, May 31, 2010.

1. ### dividebyzerotrainee n00bPosts: 4,085   +193

Are you married to your computer ? \$20 a month ?

Some quick and dirty calculations.....

GTX 480 peak power usage (worst case scenario) = 257w
HD 5870 peak power usage (worst case scenario) = 144w (from the same chart)

Difference 257 - 144 = 113w
Multiplied by average gaming hours 13
= 1.469 kwH x 4 weeks = 5.876 kwH/month
Don't know about your electicity pricing but in my location 1 kwH = \$NZ0.20 average
So......5.876 x 0.20 = \$NZ 1.18 per month (\$US 0.80)

I suppose that saving I could put towards running my car.....Gas here is \$1.90/litre, so I could add an extra 621ml (about 22 ounces) to my fill.
2. ### Guest

^It's not just about costs though, some people's existing computer PSU may not be up to the job, meaning they may just buy an ATI. Or if they're dedicated, they may buy a PSU all together - not exactly cost friendly.

I totally agree with your post though, I dunno how many hours of gaming you'd need to make electricity costs an issue.
3. ### dividebyzerotrainee n00bPosts: 4,085   +193

Bit of a back-handed compliment if ever I heard one.
The PSU is the heart of the system, skimping on quality in this area is the last place you want to start penny-pinching. This \$70 PSU is capable of running any single card on the market. If the user balks at \$70 for a stable high quality PSU then maybe spending \$200+ on a graphics solution isn't the best idea.
They come in handy. Systems without PSU's tend not to be very productive :haha:

For the record and getting back to the subject at hand, i.e the GTX 465...

To expensive. Knock 10-15% off the MSRP and it looks better, given they OC as well as the 470/480. It wont happen since SLI'ed GTX 465 at that price would kill GTX 480 sales.
Other than that its the same-old-same-old; the power consumption/noise/heat troika, with the added (non-) bonus of a superior card in the HD 5850 only marginally more expensive as competition.
4. ### LinkedKubeTechSpot Project BabyPosts: 4,179   +23

I'm wondering if they're gonna slap two of these 465's on one board for their next single solution sli.
I'll either get another 295 or buy the newer version of it, depending on the price. Some may think I dont need it, but I'm running a 30" samsung and at full resolution some games like flight simulator pulls a whopping 20fps.
5. ### dividebyzerotrainee n00bPosts: 4,085   +193

Dont think GTX 465 SLi'ed on a PCB (GTX 930 ?!) is going to work. The power draw would put it waaaaaaay outside the PCI-E specification of 300 watts. No ATX/PCI certification = warranty problems and no OEM orders.
The GF104 (GTX 460) however is a candidate for SLI on a stick. If these specs are accurate-and a lot of the Chinese sites like IT168 have reliable info...who needs NDA's?- then a dual GTX 460 is a possibility at 250-260w TDP.
The downside is the reported 192-bit frame buffer- if accurate, it might suffer at resolutions above 1920x1080/1200. The upside is cooler GPU's will be able to be clocked faster so ballpark numbers are likely to be around the GTX 465 SLI mark.
It sounds like the GF104 isn't far away judging by the info "leaking" onto the net, so hopefully the answers aren't too far away. I was interested in the dualie card from a 3D Surround viewpoint- since SLI is required for three screens- Would an Dual GPU card support the three screens from one PCB ? If this is so then three monitors not requiring active DisplayPort dongles or DP connectivity (i.e. HDMI or DVI) makes for a relatively affordable 5760x1080 (or similar) setup.
6. ### dividebyzerotrainee n00bPosts: 4,085   +193

This promises to be one hell of an article.
As most of my business system upgrades generally centre around graphics I usually follow the ebb and flow of new cards and driver releases...your's sounds like it's going to put the cat amongst the pigeons!
A brief look around the tech-web regarding the GTX 470 and HD 5850 comparisons*.....

GTX 470
Aliens vs Predator (1680, 1920,2560)Xbit, HC, Toms
Battlefield BC2: (1680, 1920) Xbit, HC, Toms, Anand + 2560@8xMSAA (HC)
CoD:MW2 : (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Hexus, Toms
Far Cry 2: (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, TPU, HC, HH
Metro 2033: (1680) Xbit, HC
STALKER:CoP : (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Anand
STALKER:SoC : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
STALKER:CS : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Just Cause 2: (1680, 1920) Xbit, HC, Toms
Resident Evil 5: (1680) Xbit
Street Fighter IV: (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit
Mass Effect 2: (1680) Xbit, Anand
DIRT 2: (1680, 1920)Xbit, Hexus, HC, Toms, Anand, TPU
HAWX : (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, TPU, HH, Anand
Battleforge (DX10 and DX11) (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Anand, TPU
World in Conflict:Sov.Assault (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit
CoD 4:MW (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Call of Juarez 2 (1680) TPU
Company of Heroes (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Dawn of War 2 (1680) TPU
ET:QW : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU, HH
Far Cry : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
UT3 : (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
World in Conflict (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Left 4 Dead 2 : (1680, 1920) HH

split
Battlefield:BC2 @1920:Hexus (HD5850), Xbit, HC, Toms (GTX470)
Crysis Warhead @1680 & 2560: Hexus (HD5850), Xbit, Anand (GTX470)
Just Cause 2 (2560) : Xbit (HD5850), HC (GTX470)
Mass Effect 2: (1920) Xbit (GTX470), Anand (HD5850)
Call of Juarez 2 (1920) identical fps (TPU)

HD5850
Battlefield BC2 (2560) Xbit, Anand, HC
Crysis Warhead (1920) Xbit, Hexus, Anand
Metro 2033: (1920, 2560) Xbit, HC
Wolfenstein (1680, 1920, 2560) Xbit, Anand
Resident Evil 5 : (1920, 2560) Xbit
Mass Effect 2: (2560) Xbit, Anand
DIRT 2 (2560) Xbit, Hexus, HC, Toms, Anand, TPU
Left 4 Dead: (1680, 1920, 2560) Anand
Call of Juarez 2 (2560) TPU
Dawn of War 2 (1920, 2560) TPU
Crysis (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU, Toms, HH
Prey (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Quake 4 (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Riddick: Dark Athena (1680, 1920, 2560) TPU
Left 4 Dead 2 (2560) HH

From the wide range of games (and leaving out titles that heavily favour nVidia cards- Batman:AA, Mirror's Edge, Darkest of Days and Dark Void) the honours seem fairly well split-if anything the HD5850 tends to pick up wins at 2560x1600 that include benches of academic interest only as the framerates are too low for gameplay- so I'm keen to see how Techspots benches differ from what I've seen so far.

* As these are enthusiasts cards I did not look at a resolution below 1600, nor any game setting without antialiasing if it is supported in game or can be forced.
Reviews referenced used the latest nVidia beta driver and for the most part Catalyst 10.5. (10.3a most dated )

Reviews cited: TechPowerUp (TPU), Xbit, Anandtech, Hardware Canucks (HC), Tom's Hardware, Hot Hardware (HH), Hexus.
7. ### SteveTechSpot StaffPosts: 868   +60

@dividebyzero – Hmm that is hardly conclusive. Half the games listed as favoring the GeForce GTX 470 reappear in the Radeon HD 5850 list. Looking over our results they are quite similar to those from the Anand review though we tested with a few different games as well. It seems the setting play a significant role in which card comes out on top though that is hardly surprising. For our article we have tested using maximum in-game quality settings with AA/AF enabled. Anyway that is all I am going to say for now, the article should be live tomorrow.
8. ### RegenwealdNewcomer, in trainingPosts: 143

I have no idea where the nvidia fans get their numbers to justify some of their claims, but "a buddy of mine" is not acceptable Fermi has made the gaming community look like *****s, they keep arguing tessellation performance, but the only place you can enjoy that 'superior' tessellation is in a benchmark. When was the last time anyone 'played' a benchmark ? So for more money, more heat and more power draw, you get to sit and watch the Heaven benchmark in a loop ?

If the next Nvidia architecture is genuinely better than ATI, I'm there, because I'm a *performance* hound. Green lost this round boys, deal with it.
9. ### dividebyzerotrainee n00bPosts: 4,085   +193

Games are listed under the respective cards by resolution. So, for arguments sake, Game "A" might favour the GTX 470 at 1680 and 1920 resolutions, while the same Game "A" might favour the HD 5850 at 2560. Sorry for the confusion.

I think you would need to add some other games since Anand had the GTX 470 "winning" 22 of the 30 benchmarks (average 6.99% faster framerate overall). Considering Anand decided to forego a lot of best selling game titles (CoD series, WoW:WotLK, GTA4) which favour nVidia arch/coding then it seems a fair comparison.

@Regenweald
A few points...
Without the hardware to make use of tesselation, there is little point releasing games that feature it.
Metro 2033 and AvP feature moderate amounts of tesselation- both of these new games favour nVidia's architecture by a fair margin. With Battlefield 1943, F1 2010 and Crysis 2 looming.
If tesselation is such a ho-hum non event why is AMD re-jigging it's architecture for Southern Islands to be more tessalation capable?

Then you guys might want to rethink how you benchmark. Every review I have seen shows the nvidia cards as better. Heres some quotes from the guru3d benchmark.

"Even so, when we tally up the results out of all titles tested, the GeForce GTX 480 wins nearly everywhere"

"there are also scenarios where the GTX 480 completely and utterly kicks the Radeon HD 5870 in the proverbial nuts."

"The GeForce GTX 470 then -- obviously this card is lined up against ATI's Radeon HD 5850. It can compete with it quite well. Price wise it's definitely the more interesting of the two cards tested today."

Ill quote that again
"Price wise it's definitely the more interesting of the two cards tested today."

"Money versus performance wise I'd say the GTX 470 is the winner of the two really"

Yup the ati cards are sure cheaper and faster. Reviews on guru3d, hardwarecanucks,bit-tech among others say different.
11. ### dividebyzerotrainee n00bPosts: 4,085   +193

Well, so much for that idea. Looks like Galaxy have got a GTX470x2 on display at Computex. 2 x 8pin PCIe + PCI slot (375w) still seems a litle light on the power delivery side and not much in the way of case venting. More keen on finding out what kind of heatsink they're planning on using!
12. ### SteveTechSpot StaffPosts: 868   +60

@ princeton - you are right the GeForce GTX 480 is superior to the Radeon HD 5870. That was the conclusion in our NDA coverage anyway.
13. ### Guest

I had an ATI 5850 but had too many problems with cursor artifacts, black screens or lines in the screen requiring a hard re-boot that I decided to try the GTX470 instead. The ATI forums were filled with threads of similar problems with no solution. My 470 hasn't had any issues but it does run hot sometimes. I'll occasionaly use alt-tab to switch over to EVGA Precision to check the temps while gaming. You can easily set the fan speed higher to keep temps down.