Nvidia to launch GF100 at PAX East 2010, GeForce GTX 480 priced at $679?

nvidia probably wants ppl to believe they skipped a series so they can "pretend" they are ahead of the game. typical.

i'm actually surprised they didn't jump right to GTX-500 since ATI is HD50xx now

I think the naming convention comes down to:
2xx series = DirectX 10 (excepting the GT 240)
3xx series = DirectX 10.1
4xx series = DirectX 11

dividebyzero, GT220 and 210 are DX10.1, too. But I think they skipped to the 400 because they've already announced 300 cards which are DX10.1, and didn't want to be accused of pulling another GeForce4 MX.

Anyway, I kind of pity the people who've been waiting for these cards. Sure, it never hurts to wait and they may actually turn out good, but if you're the kind to buy the GeForce 400 series at release time, you're also the kind who could have enjoyed a Radeon 5000 series for the past few months.

And I really hope they'd have at least a few cards in stores when they announce the card. They don't have to have a lot -- after all, AMD didn't with Radeon 5870 -- but having something at least lets some of the enthusiasts breath a sigh of relief.

@dividedbyzero - the MSRP for the 5850 units was floating around the $270 mark since it was first introduced. Just because those companies are charging more for it, doesn't mean ATi is the one gouging. It's supply and demand economics at its most basic, and with limited production due to their supplier issues early on, demand was way higher than supply, so the price ballooned.

The retailers and individual manufacturers are the ones making the extra off the consumers, not ATi, who sold their chipsets to all those manufacturers for the same set prices regardless. Oh, and these are the very same manufacturers who will be supplying nVidia cards as well. Something to keep in mind when pointing fingers and complaining about profitmongering - ATi and nVidia often have very little to do with the end costs of video cards, once they have shipped their chips. It's all about what the market will bear.

I cant wait for this and hopefully more cards to arrive. I would like one to match the 5850's power whislt being cheaper as I would like to stich with nvidia. Maybe this series will put ati back in 2nd place, who knows

here is your 300 series Klep....uhhggg.:rolleyes:
http://www.techspot.com/news/37990-nvidia-announces-more-rebranded-cards-diy-pc-kit.html

I stand corrected. It seems that my estimation of $299 is in fact $290 for the cards that are available. Always good to see when you're expections are exceeded by 3%.

estimation? you provided links of cards over $300 saying AMD/Partners were price gouging.
I said they weren't, you gave reseller links to try to prove me wrong. just look at the previous posts.

Which is probably part of the reasoning behind the GT210, 220 and 240 being renamed GT310, 320 and 340 I assume. Some of it may also be a cynical ploy of course, but I don't see nV publicly announcing the OEM re-brands.
I also note that as a system builder a large percentage of my business is refurbishing and upgrading OEM systems (along with inevitably fixing them a few days after the warranty lapses) and can say that most people who shop for OEM's in my experience do so on a cost basis primarily (many using hire-purchase), and are mostly ignorant of even the most rudimentary specifications of their systems -AMD/Intel CPU, AMD/nV/IGP graphics, RAM, power supply etc. They just want the system to work and not be bothered with the finer details.

A lack of competition I think is more painful aspect. Not many people are going to rush out and buy the GTX480/470-just as well if there aren't going to be many in the retail channel. Likewise of the 2+ million HD5xxx series cards I wouldn't think the HD5870 and 5970 make up a huge percentage either.
If you have to have the newest becuse it is the newest then fine, pay the premium and become a beta tester for driver support. Logically, what games are playable on a GTX480/470 or HD5xxx series that aren't playable on the last generation of cards-especially if the card/s are enthusiast grade parts.
At the moment DX11 looks nice but I don't put it in the "must have" category any more than I do PhysX

I'm keen to see how the architectural approach works. AMD use a fixed single tesselator and the nV design uses a flexible system of tesselation/shading. I'm also keen to see if the nV design is moving more towards ray tracing. All this is from interest in where the graphics are heading rather than the cards themselves. I'm happy with the performance of my HD4890 and GTX280 SLI for the most part and will skip this generation of cards as both seem like shortlived (as is always the case in graphics) transitions to more efficient designs and process nodes.

What part of "I stand corrected" did you not understand ?

My assertion was that the MSRP of the HD5850 was $299 (the same figure quoted for the uncoming GTX470) when it is in fact, by your own submission, $290. Obviously a huge discrepency.
The links I posted were from the largest resellers most people would be familiar with (excepting Newegg) where I listed ALL the available HD5850's for sale- they just happened (strangely enough) to be $300+
Just for interests sake It also seems that the price at launch for the HD5850 was $259 ( with $379 for the HD5870) as Anand listed here http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643 a nice little 12% price hike in the interim...even with good yields from TSMC.

Now I suggest once special school lets out you go have a good cry on Dear Leader Chas's shoulder

BTW: http://charliedemerjianisadouchebag.blogspot.com/
He's not the only one it seems :wave:

Well For all the hater i always prefer quality over speed cause over 60 fps stable there is np , Cuda and blue Ray Own real Good. Physx is crasy just play the new Batman and you forgot ATI fast .

Ati is same price for a couple of FPS But graphics look ordinary compare to Cuda thats my points!

I guy Nvidia since i'm Kid and its good compagny Peace !

nvidia and there naming of cards is just plain stupid and rebranding the same card 5 times is just dumb as hell

Hello all…I think we need to stop taking sides and just look at the mere facts. The website listing the GTX470 price of 299.99 is clearly wrong and is misleading a lot of people. 1st and foremost do you guys honestly believe Nvidia is going to release a new card with new architecture that is supposedly faster than their current lineup for cheaper? The 285GTX still sales for close to 400.00 and its outclassed by the competition at that price. For those who will argue that they are doing that until the new cards come out, well that still doesn’t make sense. What manufactures normally do when competition has a product that they can’t match, you drop the price of your current lineup to stay in the game and when the new product come in you price it accordingly. What I believe Nvidia is going to do is re-badge the current gtx200 series line up to 3series (they have done that before) for midrange and add direct x 10.1 the 4series will be dx11 and they will have a new lineup from low to high end. This makes sense to me because you will be hard pressed to get a gtx275 or 285 (slightly modified architecture than the 280 and 260) nowadays and the sites that carry them only have 3-5 different brands and all are typically in low quantity. But that’s my 2cents. Only time will tell what will happen, but the outlook for the green team doesn’t look all the promising right now.

So a respected tech reporting contributor is wrong, whereas everyone should believe an anonymous "Guest" because their opinion is stated as fact....riiiiiiiiiight...
Striiiiiike ONE !!!

Given that the $US299 price quoted was for the second tier of performance card then the card's price is indicative of it's position regarding the current hierachy vis-a-vis the GTX260 (216) / GTX275......Striiiiiike TWO!!!!

Not to you maybe, but as the card if effectively EOL -along with the GTX 295, and prices tend to up at that point...another example would be an 8800 Ultra for $US229.
Most of the stock would be held now by resellers who would need the sale price to be high to recoup their initial wholesale purchase price. I wouldn't discount the fact that nVidia still need the GTX285/295 to appear in inventory to give the illusion that they are still offering products to counter the HD5850/5870 - if remaining stock is sold cheaply then it will not be replaced leaving the GTX 275 as nVidia's "flagship" desktop SKU

We're moving away from the mere facts part of the argument I assume...

Soooooo, you're "opinion" is in fact is an already proven fact for the rest of us.....You obviously aren't Edward De Bono writing under the guise of anonymity

Your own opinion makes sense to you!!! GTFO, that is amazing !

Mmmmmm, why is that ?....could it be that the cards are EOL ?....Striiiiike THREE!!

Which at todays exchange rate equates to some pocket lint and a small pebble.

Whaaaat , You ARE Edward De Bono !

No Sh*t !.....A new architecture late to market being produced by, and not taking into account, a foundry that is doing a passable impression of the Keystone Cops facing a successful rivals' on time and performing products....you Guest, simply amaze me in your prognosticative ability.

Ok either you have shaking baby syndrome or you are on crack. I would like for you to give me an example of where nvidia release a new card under new architecture that performs better than its lineup at that time for cheaper?

Oh and BTW you just proved to me that you are a crack head...when can someone state a opinion as a fact!! I rest my case...dude goto bed you are sleepy

Aaaaah, I love the smell of 'tard in the morning....it smells like...idiocy!

FYI
THe 9800GTX, which was the direct successor to the 8800GTX launched considerably cheaper than the MSRP of the latter.
At the time of the 9 series intoduction, the 8800Ultra (an overclocked 8800GTX) was nVidia's flagship SKU. The first 9 series card, the 9800GX2 which is essentially two 9800GTX's launched at a lower price than the single GPU 8800Ultra.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12417&page=2

Ok… I see that you have a problem with comprehension or you are attempting to avoid the question. So I will repeat it again. I would like for you to give me an example of where nvidia release a new card under new architecture that performs better than its current lineup at that time for cheaper? Example Ati the 3000 series to is 4000 series successor. The 4000 series was a performance improvement over the 3000 series. Another example is the 9800gtx to the 200gtx series. The 9800gtx was not an improvement over the 8800gtx, in most situations it actually performs worse than the 8800gtx…so that is a bad example and because of the performance of that card nvidia couldn’t demand more…hell there are reviews indicating that if you have a 8800gtx the 9800gtx isn’t a worthy upgrade. You cant answer that question because the answer doesn’t exists. Nvidia has yet to release a card with better performance than the outgoing model for cheaper…that’s why “in my opinion” I cant see the 470gtx if does perform better than the 285gtx being cheaper… Lets entertain your “opinion” here for a sec. If the 470gtx is 299.99 how much will the 480gtx be?

Finding different "architectures" in stock at one etailer is a bit of a tough ask when looking for new cards...but here goes:
This store (which I happen to use) has 8800GTX in stock for $NZ556, an FX5950 for $752 , and a GTX260 (216SP) for $331
Or another vendor if you'd like to compare top tier with top tier...8800GTX for $899 + tax and a GTX 280 for $739+tax and a GTX285 for $725+tax
If you can find contradictory examples of those in-stock cards, by all means post the link/s.

On the same basic architecture-not a hell of a lot different from G80 and G92, they are both evolutionary in nature, not revolutionary. Neither are ground-up re-designs, new architectures inherently mean increased R&D costs that need to be factored in-hence the high launch price for the G200, which seems to be your main point of interest. You might note that similar changes in architecture from ATI produce the same pricing structure- compare the $US399 launch price for the HD2900XT against the $240 launch price for the HD3870.

You'll soon have a chance to find out. By your own admission you say the GTX285 retail price is "close to $400". You expect that price to drop or increase as stock dries up? IIRC the GTX285 isn't "new architecture" -you'll need to be looking at GTX 280 prices.
You are also comparing the top performing G200b card with the second tier card from the GF100. If you were comparing the flagship card of both then, yes, GTX480 is going be be more expensive than GTX285, or GTX295 for that matter.
Using your argument you could apply the same scenario to the 8800Ultra (G80) launch price of $829 (or it's last current price if you prefer) against the $400 launch price for the GTX 260.

Assuming that the TSMC 40nm process is likely as bugged as is claimed, then the top binned GPU's are likely to make up maybe 10% of viable cards, of which a great percentage are going to end up as workstation cards (C2050/C2070) since the HPC market are quite happy to pay $5000+ per card. Bearing in mind all the variables then I'd be surprised if a GTX480 is listed below $US600.
Since you now have my take on pricing, how about registering for the forums and post your pricing prognostications without the guise of anonymity?

FWIW respond away if you feel the need to. If you continue to plan on phrasing in absolutes then you may need to check that the argument is watertight. I'm done here in any case. The thread has run it's course and speculation on these cards prices will shortly be rendered moot, in addition to the thread seemingly moving OT.