just took a quick glance at your post... like is said, i want to see all the devices in that report so if you can save to a file then attach it.

your snips of the data in your posts omit several different types of data i'm looking for, one example: more specifics about your BIOS. Can you re-run the reports as requested and attach the data as requested?

Hardware

I'm not a PC expert... far short of it. However, I have designed circuit lay-outs and manually constructed electronic PCBs, (printed circuit boards), from these lay-outs, similar in nature to mother boards. As you're probably aware, using excessive or even medium strength force to install a component onto a mother board is an absolute no-no!

Because most components work on very small currents and voltages, static electricity is always a hazard. I presume you earth yourself before adding/removing components from the mobo.

Sounds to me like you may have cracked a solder joint on one of the electronic components. This can have the effect of causing the device to work intermittently.

Another possibility is that with time electronic components can degrade, and may work when a PC is first started up and still cold, but as they warm up, for a number of reasons, (eg change of internal resistance), will malfunction intermittently or totally shut down. However, since the problem started when you forced the graphics card into the mobo, it's improbable this is the answer.

If I had to bet on it, I'd put my money on physical damage to the mobo.

Computer Info
Chipset: Intel i81
Computer Name: Computer
OS: Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 (OEM)
Product Key...

Device Tree
CDROM
ATAPI DVD A DH-3H20A
AXV CD/DVD-ROM
HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4521B
Disk drives
GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE00
WD 5000AAV External
WDC WD10 2AA
Display adapters
Intel(R) 810 Chipset Graphics Driver (DC100)
Gateway 2000
Intel Corporation 82810-DC100 810 Chipset Graphics Controller
NVIDIA GeForce 6200
Nvidia Corp GeForce 6200
Hard disk controllers
Intel 82801AA Ultra ATA Controller
Intel Corporation 82801AA 8xx Chipset IDE Controller
Primary Ultra ATA Controller
Secondary Ultra ATA Controller
Keyboard
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
Monitors
Default Monitor
Princeton Graphic Systems EO50
Princeton Graphic Systems EO50
Mouse
Microsoft PS/2 Port Mouse
Network adapters
ADMtek ADM8513 USB To Fast Ethernet Adapter
ADMtek
Dial-Up Adapter
Dial-Up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)
Microsoft Virtual Private Networking Adapter
Network Client
Client for Microsoft Networks
Client for Microsoft Networks
Client for Microsoft Networks
Network Protocol
NDISWAN
TCP/IP
TCP/IP
TCP/IP
Other devices
Unknown device
Unable to Detect, Hardware ID: PGS004F
Unknown device
Unable to Detect, Hardware ID: DEFAULT_MONITOR
Ports (COM & LPT)
Communications Port (COM1)
ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
Printer
HP LaserJet 4
SCSI controllers
AXSAKI SCSI Controller
Sound, video and game controllers
BDA IPSink
BDA MPE Filter
BDA Slip De-Framer
Closed Caption Decoder
Gameport Joystick
Logitech Dual Action (HID)
Logitech Dual Action (HID)
Logitech Dual Action (USB)
Logitech Dual Action (HID)
Logitech Precision Gamepad (HID)
Logitech Precision Gamepad (HID)
Logitech Precision Gamepad (USB)
Logitech Precision Gamepad (HID)
Microsoft DirectMusic SW Synth (WDM)
Microsoft Kernel Audio Mixer
Microsoft Kernel GS Wavetable Synthesizer
Microsoft Kernel System Renderer
Microsoft Streaming Clock Proxy
Microsoft Streaming Service Proxy
Microsoft Streaming Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter
Microsoft Streaming Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter
MPU-401 Compatible
NABTS/FEC VBI Codec
World Standard Teletext Codec
Storage device
USB Disk
System devices
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
ACPI System Button
Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) BIOS
Composite Power Source
Direct memory access controller
Intel 82801AA LPC Interface Controller
Intel Corporation 82801AA 8xx Chipset LPC Interface Bridge
Intel 82801AA PCI Bridge
Intel Corporation 82801AA 8xx Chipset Hub to PCI Bridge
Intel 82801AA SMBus Controller
Intel Corporation 82801AA 8xx Chipset SMBus Controller
Intel 82810 DC-100 System and Graphics Controller
Intel Corporation 82810-DC100 810 Chipset Memory Controller Hub
Intel(r) 82802 Firmware Hub Device (Intel(r) Security Driver)
IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator
Motherboard resources
Numeric data processor
PCI bus
Plug and Play BIOS Extension
Plug and Play Software Device Enumerator
Processor support
Programmable interrupt controller
SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
System board
System board extension for ACPI BIOS
System board extension for ACPI BIOS
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
System timer
TapeDetection
TapeDetection
Universal Serial Bus controllers
Generic USB Hub
Alcor Micro USB V1.1 4-Port Hub
Intel 82801AA USB Universal Host Controller
Intel Corporation 82801AA 8xx Chipset USB Controllers
USB 2.0 Root Hub
USB Mass Storage Device
Western Digital Technologies
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub
VIA PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller
VIA Technologies Inc VT6202 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
VIA Technologies Inc VT6202/12 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
VIA PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
VIA Technologies Inc
VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
VIA PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
VIA Technologies Inc
VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)


The ones i have in bold are the sound devices, which only appears in safe mode. Also, the Crystal Sound device is not listed.

Well it wasn't the sound card that i force in, it was the PNY 8400GS 512MB PCI card that i kinda force in, and yea i guess a portion of the motherboard was hit or something and is causing the problem.

Oh sorry bout that. I don't remember hearing a cracking noise. The card is very big, but i was so hype about having it at the time, lol i kinda force the card in. Now i know not to buy those cards anymore. So i guess its damage or something.

Sound came back , sounds clear, no issues.


LOL I was in the middle of installing a sound driver off my win98se system installer disc, when my computer froze , so i had to restart, and it says found hardware, etc installing software, and there you go.

Oh well, i will enjoy it while i can, because when i shut off my computer before i rest tonight, it will disappear again, i guess.

For starters
1. You need to carefully determine the version of the intel 810 chipset on your motherboard (start here)
2. you need carefully determine your motherboard!! (start here) It's not clear if it's a pure Intel board or an intel board sold thru OEM (Gateway computers?). VISUALLY identify it at some point!
3. If you have an OEM board you should be finding chipset software on the OEM site and not the Intel site.
4. You should always try installing chipset software based on motherboard if at all possible. If can't, only then try the chipset vendor
5. Have you been changing the chipset software at all?? as you switched back and forth between operating systems? (it can vary between XP and 98se) if so, where were u pulling the software from??
6. You also need id the motherboard as some have hardware jumpers for sound control as well
7. You didn't give me the BIOS info. And you'll need verify what version you are using/should be using.
8. I believe that onboard sound for the 810 chipset family is all controlled by Intel® 82801AA ICH (I/O Controller Hub) so all its functions and BIOS settings are relavent as well
9. You should look back for edits as will probably have a couple more things to add but will have to wait till morning till i look-em-up

P.S. In the future, please paste long text reports into notepad and attach to your TechSpot post
P.P.S. And all the above in addition to the possibility you have something broken/cracked as well!

Do you have in add & remove programs High Definition driver package installed on your PC Tha General. Or some kind of thing like that ?

Well folks, the bottom line, it seems like something is wrong with my onboard audio, i must of hit something when i kinda force the video card or the video card did something to my motherboard onboard audio, either way i am buying 2 sound cards soon.
peace

Now this is interesting. I type in msconfig, change it to " Normal startup, load all devices , drivers and software and my sound came back(found hardware, installing drivers).

What do you make of that ?

Back for good or temporary.

Hey Electromagnetic, seems to be back for good. It seems it was a problem with certain drivers or devices loading up, because after going into msconig , changing the settings to normal setup, the sound is back for good.

So i am guessing when i had that PNY 8400GS, it did something to my setup, but all is well know.

Btw, if you was wondering why my youtube account i haven updated any videos lately because i am getting a new computer soon for the newer games, so i will update soon.

But i have a second youtube gaming page, for win98se which i am back to using. I can't record any sound, on win98se, because of fraps version which i have to use.
I plan to add music to my videos.

I haven't finish the page yet, should be finish in a few days or so.
http://www.youtube.com/user/CrusaderU2K