Opinions on getting a new gaming computer

By TeruTeru
Mar 29, 2013
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  1. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

    Either one is fine really, with little/no performance difference.
  2. TeruTeru

    TeruTeru TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 47

    Thanks for that suggestion. I'll just get HIS because it is cheaper.
  3. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,427   +27

    Any particular reason you're not upgrading the current machine? It would make more sense financially, I think.
  4. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    The 650ti boost is your best bet. It is basically equal to a 7850 for cheaper. The 7850 is just higher performing mainly due to the 256bit interface. But the 650ti boost's 192bit demolishes the 7790s 128bit interface.
  5. TeruTeru

    TeruTeru TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 47

    Hi guys,

    The current machine is actually being used by my siblings so I wanted to try and buy my own one so there wouldn't be much trouble with who gets to use and not anymore. Was actually considering buying the same rig and just adding more RAM but it worries me that it may not last 5 years or so. That's why I just thought of buying an entirely new one with better specs.

    @JC713 actually the price for the HIS Radeon 7850 and EVGA 650ti boost is merely $1 in the price list. I would've gotten 650ti boost if there were more difference but seems that isn't the case right now. Thanks for your suggestion though.
  6. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    With modern games using Quad core more, that dual core i3 will fail you in terms of performance in a few years (2-3 years) and will bottleneck your system.
  7. TeruTeru

    TeruTeru TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 47

    Hi guys,

    So the GPU was bought earlier so it's already covered. However there are new problems with the price estimate and stuff.

    The new intended budget was around $850 which is already over my original one but since I'm getting more... the thought was to increase by at least that much. The price of the total thing below totals now to over $900+
    • lga1155 Asrock H77 Pro 4 M, CrossfireX
    • Intel Core i5-3470
    • G.Skill RipJaws X (dual) 2x4gb ddr3 1600 CL9 (F3 12800CL9D 8GBXL)
    • HIS HD 7850 1gb/256bit ddr5
    • SEAGATE 500GB 7200RPM SATA
    • Asus 24x Sata
    • Corsair VS 650watts (VS650)
    • Fractal Define R3 (had to replace Cooler Master Haf 912 due to unavailability)
    • Hyper 212 Evo
    • Asus 18.5" VS197 LED
    Some considerations I'm thinking are to:
    • For the memory, temporarily buy a 2x2gb memory and later buy a 2x4gb one
    • For the power supply, downgrade to 550w
    • For the casing, I actually like the look of Fractal and that's the only reason I'm getting it. But if there is something as good or nearly good as Cooler Master HAF 912 but cheaper, that can replace this
    • Remove the optical drive
  8. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

    Downgrading to a 550w sounds good (tell us which 550w).
    So does removing the optical drive, if you need it to install stuff maybe you could just borrow one from your siblings for a second.
  9. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    Cases dont really matter when you arent overclocking. Which HIS are you buying. If it isnt a card that blows into your case, you can get this case: It is much cheaper that the one you picked. Also, you can take away the Hyper 212 Evo since you are not overclocking and the 3470 is not unlcoked. You can lower the PSU to 550W since your card is only a 7850. I would recommend keeping the 8GB of RAM since most games require >4GB. Also, get this HDD instead: WD is more trustworthy than Seagate in my opinion. If you want a 500GB version, here it is:
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,865   +1,523

    ATM, Newegg is selling an LG Drive for 15 bucks, free shipping.

    So, forcing yourself to be tethered to the web for streaming, adapting all program installs to flash drives, lacking a DVD burner to create content for existing home entertainment, or having to mooch a DVD off a friend or relative, you'd advocate saving a measly 15 bucks by not putting a drive into the machine.
    The new step would be glorious martyrdom as you complain about the price of internet.

    Granted, the price of DDR-3 seems to be escalating recently. However, you lose too much on a per GB basis, if you go this route. The 16GB kits (2 x 8GB) have poor latency numbers compared to the 4gb modules on a same /type /brand basis. My most recent solution was to pay 5 bucks more for a kit of 16GB @(4 x 4GB). which dropped the latency a whole step, then stuffed 8GB into a new machine, and am saving a pair of 4GB DIMMs for replacement, or possibly another machine.

    This worked for me. But, I buy parts over an extended period of time, and very opportunistically with respect to price. Your needs and results may, of course, vary.

    As to to optical drive issue, see above.
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  11. TeruTeru

    TeruTeru TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 47

    Hi guys,

    Thanks for your advises.

    hellokitty[hk]: I'm considering a Corsair VS 550watts (VS550). The Seasonic 520w BRONZE is priced the same as the 650watts of Corsair. And yes, that will be the idea for the optical drive.

    JC713: Thanks for that case suggestion. I've seen net cafes here in the Philippines use that case often so it should be good. Although I'm really not fond of how it looks, I can bear with it for now. But would you have any other suggestion for a case around that price range? For the cooling, I'm still thinking about it due to the high temperatures here but probably I'd drop it and just get one when needed. And OK for the WD Caviar Blue. Black one's kind of pricey.

    captaincranky: Am thinking of getting an external optical drive in the future so it'd be more portable. I'd leave it for now. Would it be better to just get a 2x4gb now and another 2x4gb in the future? A 2x4gb would be the best I can get right now.
  12. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,865   +1,523

    2 x 4GB of RAM is pretty much the sweet spot with today's 64 bit OS'.
    8GB modules have worse latency numbers than 4GB. So, 2 x 8GB IMO, no!

    2 x 2GB is so 2010.

    4 x 4GB would save you a few bucks off the second set of 2 x 4GB. Do as you like.

    I realize the prices on DDR-3 have gone up recently. My 4 x4GB GSkill DDR-3 PC1600 kit cost, if I remember correctly about 70 bucks.

    I will say I have a $60.00 external drive that I've used half a dozen times. I'm tired of dusting it. My internal drives I use constantly. I wouldn't own a desktop without one.. If you think about it, it's easier to cart around a disc or a flash drive, so a portable DVD drive is a non starter AFAIK.

    As always, your results may vary.
  13. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 3,424   +142

    Either of those power supplies will be fine. I think I'd pick the seasonic.
    I think you'll be fine with 2x4GB and keeping it that way.
  14. TeruTeru

    TeruTeru TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 47

  15. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,427   +27

    • lga1155 Asrock H77 Pro 4 M, CrossfireX
      Is this the cheapest you can find? What other brands/choices do you have?

    • Intel Core i5-3470
      You can skimp and get an i3 too; you could always upgrade it later when financially viable. Not that many games are very heavily CPU-limited

    • G.Skill RipJaws X (dual) 2x4gb ddr3 1600 CL9
      You can lower the price here by getting DIMMs with no heatsinks; TwinMOS, A-DATA and Kingston make some affordable ones that won't affect performance much

    • HIS HD 7850 1gb/256bit ddr5
      I wouldn't advise going for this card seeing as your monitor's resolution is pretty low at 1366x768; even an HD 7770 could plow through anything at that resolution, so unless you're going to buy a new monitor in the future, with a higher resolution, reconsider this purchase

    • SEAGATE 500GB 7200RPM SATA
      Not much choice here, I think.

    • Asus 24x Sata
      Forget this IMHO; you can always grab a USB-based one later

    • Corsair VS 650watts
      You can drop this down to a lower power model, provided it's significantly (>$30) cheaper.

    • Fractal Define R3
      Your choice, although I'd get one with slots for fans you can add later.

    • Hyper 212 Evo
      Nice to have, but unnecessary IMHO; you can drop it to save some money.

    • Asus 18.5" VS197 LED
      This is purely your prerogative. However, I'd get something that delivers at least a 1600x1200 native resolution.
  16. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    The Corsair 200R is another great option. The Cooler Master Elite 430 is a fancier option if you want.
  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,865   +1,523

    • Ya know Rage I think you'd be hard pressed to find a good 4:3 monitor nowadays. The majority are this 1080p s***.
    Here's the Newegg search page for that resolution, if you need a good laugh: x 1200 monitors&x=0&y=0

    Keep in mind we started with 657 (or thereabouts), available.
  18. TeruTeru

    TeruTeru TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 47

    Rage_3K_Moiz: Thanks for your suggestions. Anyway for the MB there's actually gonna be another sale next week on MBs. The discounts aren't that good but here's the price list for it

    The discounts are really low at around $2 + but maybe someone could point a cheaper one than lga1155 Asrock H77 Pro 4 M, CrossfireX which is currently at the discounted price of 3,620 php

    JC713: Those look better but sadly, they aren't available in the retail store. Getting them at another store would be pricey. Actually here is a complete list of what the store has

    I think asking you to go over it is too much but if you feel like doing so, by all means. All the help is much appreciated
  19. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,427   +27

    Damn. I bet that'd give Kimmy something to think about while he shops for PC components for his nuk-oh.

  20. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,427   +27

    IMHO, you have three possible choices (you could also use all of them) to lower your budget:
    • Go for an mATX LGA 1155 motherboard. You'll lose on expansion slots, but that's not too bad, unless you want lot of HDDs in the future or a lot of expansion cards like a standalone sound card or something similar.
    • Go for an AMD CPU and corresponding motherboard.
    • Get a cheaper GPU like the HD 7770, since there is essentially no point of getting the HD 7850 due to the low resolution you will be gaming at.
  21. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    Jan Metica Any case below 50 bucks will be fine. Just make sure it is a good brand like NZXT or Cooler Master. Also make sure it doesnt have a PSU included. The reason you cant find them most likely is due to the fact that they are newer cases, at least the 200R is.

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