Professional Overwatch player kicked from team, quits eSports after racist rant during...

[Lionvibez]

voices don't mean anything with the amount of people that exist. a simple vpn or a switch of his nic card and a new moden along with a new username would be almost good enough. hopefully he is a clean shaven man and grow a burly beard and change his hairstyle to accommodate. it can be done fairly easily if all the pieces are in place.

how so?

All I have to do is recording him talking in game and I can match that voice to the youtube video!

 

[Skjorn]

Chess is a legit sport for the same reason billiards is a legit sport. It's a cognitive sport that has real-world application and significance, just like traditional athletic sports.

e-sports aren't true sports for the simple reason that they do not occur in the real world. A champion chess player's skills translate to the real world. A champion footballer (American or soccer) translates to the real world (combat fitness, manual labor, overall health). Being able to twirl a couple of joysticks around translates to squat all.

Take the chess board away from a chess player and you still have someone who can profitably employ their skill.

Please explain how being the best in the world at RTS games doesn't take cognitive ability. Or even games where a player must predict an opponents moves, cause that requires zero brain power right? And tell me how the chess player can turn their skills into profit outside of chess differently from a RTS pro?

 

[Randomthom]

Fact: If someone will pay you to do it, it is a profession.

Fact: If someone will compete against you in an organised event/tournament, it is a sport*.

Fact: If people will pay to watch it, it is entertainment.

Fact: If some people are objectively better at it than other people, it requires skill/talent.

Opinion: eSports are all of these things. Some people are just too set in their ways to accept it as such. You don't have to like it or enjoy it to acknowledge it requires skill, intelligence and practice to master it. I find darts, chess, boxing, equestrian sports, swimming and basketball all spectacularly uninteresting but I'd be a fool to deny that they aren't sports. Did you know that the ancient olympics had competitive architecture?

 

[davislane1]

Please explain how being the best in the world at RTS games doesn't take cognitive ability.

All tasks require cogitative ability. I never implied that it takes "no cognitive ability" to play a video game. However, merely requiring a functioning brain does not make something a sport.

Example 1: This conversation requires cognitive function. It isn't a sport.

Example 2: Playing musical instruments requires cognitive function. It isn't a sport.

And tell me how the chess player can turn their skills into profit outside of chess differently from a RTS pro?

Higher IQ and the ability to anticipate and develop more complicated long-term strategies.

Chess is a far more demanding game than any RTS, which are all based on short-term and reaction-based tactics. A more appropriate comparison would be grand strategy games (which are typically played on tabletop), which could be considered sport in some circumstances.

Example of alternative careers for pro chess players: engineers, mathematicians, programmers, corporate strategists, etc. (the fact that a lot of chess players come from these fields and RTS players don't should be a big hint).

Examples of alternative careers for RTS "pros": None of the above because RTS problem-solving is too simplistic.

The point is that the actual cognitive skills involved do not translate reliably to the real world. The ability to respond in real-time to an opponent's moves based on timing isn't very useful in a world where serious opponents do everything behind closed doors and employ strategies that are executed over months or years.

Likewise, being able to twirl joysticks around in synchronization with your Overwatch team to a high degree of precision doesn't translate reliably to real life, where people have to be physically capable of moving from point A to point B over an extended period, have to have the stamina for extended exertion, and so forth. In fact, I'd wager $100 that the top Overwatch team would be torn to shreds by your average paintball team.

This whole exercise is rather pointless though. Not a single traditionalist is going to ever view esports as true sports until a holodeck hits the scene. None of the apologists are going to stop trying to convince us that it is. Futility.

 

[Tanstar]

Higher IQ and the ability to anticipate and develop more complicated long-term strategies.

Example of alternative careers for pro chess players: engineers, mathematicians, programmers, corporate strategists, etc. (the fact that a lot of chess players come from these fields and RTS players don't should be a big hint).

Examples of alternative careers for RTS "pros": None of the above because RTS problem-solving is too simplistic.

Likewise, being able to twirl joysticks around in synchronization with your Overwatch team to a high degree of precision doesn't translate reliably to real life, where people have to be physically capable of moving from point A to point B over an extended period, have to have the stamina for extended exertion, and so forth. In fact, I'd wager $100 that the top Overwatch team would be torn to shreds by your average paintball team.

First off, I wouldn't consider chess or video games sports. They are games and some people get paid to play them, but that doesn't make either sports.

"the fact that a lot of chess players come from these fields and RTS players don't should be a big hint"
Where does this "fact" come from? I know a lot of Engineers and far more play video games than chess., Mostly FPS and those have even less in common with chess than RTS. Why do you compare chess skills to engineers, mathematicians, programmers and corporate strategists rather than Generals (it's closest corollary, though the strategist isn't far off), but compare RTS to combat troops rather than surgeons, jewelers, and engineers (who would all benefit from the increased fine motor skills video game play has been shown to increase)?

 

[Warren007]

Wow, the guy gets it. No blame but admitting that he needs help. Wish more people did that.

 

[sac39507]

This is why I play co-op games. I don't have the time to try to be the best of the best or deal with kids. I just want to get in and have fun with other people.

I agree but I hate why developers are going away from co-op, especially the campaign. My most gratifying and rich experience was playing Call Of Duty World At War campaign co-op with my nephews. We got to do something interactive together, learned some history, and had fun. Online multiplayer is just full of lonely pathetic insane people

 

[mrjgriffin]

how so?

All I have to do is recording him talking in game and I can match that voice to the youtube video!

I hope you're just being funny lol......he can change the pitch of his voice naturally or through hardware very easily.