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By acidosmosis
Apr 24, 2003
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  1. It's amazing how much stupidity runs rampant on this earth and how many people don't have any idea about it. I feel more sorry for the clueless individuals who think there is so much good in this world than I do for the people that actually commit such acts of human stupidity, though I am jealous of it because I think I would be better off not knowing.

    A bit to the point, but I mean to leave this discussion open to different subjects of human stupidity and crime. What are your thoughts on the subject?
     
  2. Justin

    Justin TS Rookie Posts: 942

    I think these things have a way of taking care of themselves over time.
     
  3. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,573   +65

    Human stupidity will be around as long as both humans and stupidity exist in the same universe.
     
  4. DigitAlex

    DigitAlex TechSpot Paladin Posts: 536

    The human stupidity is one of the things you should pick while trying to find smth to describe infinity.
     
  5. Tarkus

    Tarkus TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 621

    The average persons IQ is 100. When I see how stupid the average person is I worry because half the population is even dummer than that. Now when you combile low IQ with a total lack of common sense, well, it just makes me want to crawl into a hole and hide.
     
  6. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,350

    Tarkus, exactly. I feel so, what is the word "fortunate"? Because my IQ is 140.

    My problem is that I lack some common sense such as remembering to change the oil in my car, and doing some normal everyday things like that. Other more complicated things that aren't common sense I am usually very smart at. Other than math that is lol.

    You know, what made me start thinking about this is two things. The thread about the dog that was ran over, shot, then frozen. Who's great idea was it to shoot this dog when he was in decent condition? And, the other thing is I work in technical support and the fact that both my parents lack some major common sense when it comes to working technology such as using a DVD player (just figuring out how to press Play). People amaze me! I've had so many calls with people that can't even figure out how to double-click, when to left/right click, what "My Computer" is when I tell them its an icon on the top left of their screen they STILL are confused for the next five minutes. Other things such as people that can't drive and go in the wrong direction down a highway and end up in a head on collision (yes it happens).

    Those are the less disturbing things that I can think of.
     
  7. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,350

    You mean Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection? ;-) Maybe the fools in this world (such as drunk drivers) fall under that category and when they die in a car wreck because they were too stupid to not drink and drive they get "naturally selected". I could sure live with that theory (my dad is one of them -- abotu 15 DUI's in about 20 years). Too bad these people take innocent people with them lots of the time.
     
  8. DigitAlex

    DigitAlex TechSpot Paladin Posts: 536

    what does that mean IQ after all

    and no, i really doubt the average one is 100 heeheheh

    and i also have doubts about IQs of some ppl in here too heheheeheh

    oh okay im not telling everyone is stupid, but most people are dumb IMHO

    So you have to be part of some communities to meet qualified, intelligent and let's say interesting people ;)

    Many ppl on Techspot are a good example ! IMHO too :p

    language da. you know better.
     
  9. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,606   +287

    Do you consider common sense to be an inate logical way of thinking or more of a learned attribute?
    If I sat my grandmother in front of PC and she didn't know what to click on to get to the files on the hard disk I wouldn't think she lacked common sense. I'm sure if we tried our hands a brain surgery the resident surgeon would say "You did what!... No... to correct this we do this, this and this... I can't believe you didn't know that its common sense". I've been around computers since the age of 6 (20 years now :eek: ) so its like second nature to use a mouse and click left to select and right for context sensitive menus, but just because someone doesn't know this doesn't demonstrate a lack of common sense. Common sense in my opinion is something one learns throughout life. The lack of common sense of knowing to push play on a video recorder but not link the > symbol to the play function and work out that the same button should be pressed on a DVD player to facilitate the same operation is something I can't understand. Fair enough if you'd never used a video recorder, but so much knowledge is transferable between areas.

    [/END MEANINGLESS RAMBLE]
     
  10. DigitAlex

    DigitAlex TechSpot Paladin Posts: 536

    :confused: :confused:
     
  11. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,573   +65

    The "My IQ is 200" stuff is virtually irrelavant. Your ability to solve problems is about as trivial as your ability to make them.

    A person's intelligence, I feel, cannot be gauged accurately. Different situations call for different personalities, skills and abilities - All of which an IQ test cannot clearly define. Intelligence, as defined by what we observe, is a tightly integrated combination of personalty, ability, knowledge and application... It is very hard to measure these things with "standardized testing".

    Lately, I've found myself very absent minded. :) I do not consider myself stupid, but I'm sure doing things that would make me (and you!) think other wise! hehe. :)

    Despite my recent lack of coherency, I still manage not be a bananna eating tree climber... This is much more than I can say for other people I've met.. Aye!

    It's unbelievable that some people act the way they do.. And even more unbelievable WHAT they do and don't do sometimes. Stupid and smart things are about as well defined as wrong and right - There are things that are universally right and wrong - But then there are those shades of grey. Perhaps someone had the right intent, but at the wrong time etc... We are often too stupid to accurately judge stupidity itself.. But I agree that there are certain things that are unmistakably stupid, like making firewalls illegal and Intel's Itanium 2 hardware translator for 32-bit. :)
     
  12. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,549

    Well said Rick, you've hit the nail squarely on the head.
    IQ tests are meaningless, as they depend to a large extent on patterns of learned behaviour and knowledge, rather than any inbuilt ability to reason. I've met many people that have higher IQ than me, yet when it comes to solving *real* and often complex problems they are clueless (my experience from university). :confused:

    Also, its often the case that most people mistake confidence for intelligence. Those of us that are highly confident, alert, extrovert, and great conversationalists (not me) are often mistaken as being *intelligent*. Really, its the quiet ones that are always deep in thought and say little that are usually more intelligent than most give credit for. :confused:

    My personal opionion is that most humans are in fact equally intelligent though they don't give themselves a chance to show it. Intelligence is more a state of mind than any real physical difference between individuals. Everyone is capable of improving the way they act, solve problems, and interpret the world around them, its just that most don't know how. That's partly down to social conditioning, as those who mix with others that are considered intelligent, will often change the way they act and think, thus becoming more intelligent themselves. :confused:

    As long as someone has a brain thats physically normal then there is no reason why they should be any less intelligent than anyone else, though the things that they are good at will vary. Certain people are more suited to certain tasks, and there are many other factors that play a part, so its too difficult to pin down the true nature of intelligence. :confused:

    PS: I am stupid, and proud of it :D, I think. :confused:
     
  13. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,350

    Well I never said my IQ being 140 meant anything. It just makes me feel better considering the majority of the planet has a lower IQ lol... but I confirmed what you said when I said that I lack certain common sense (although i've gotten much much better with practice in the last few years). I believe that you can "acquire" common sense over time with practice because I have done it myself. When I was in junior high I had no motor skills, was very shy, and had no fashion sense whatsoever among other things. With practice I learned to be outspoken, funny, and easy to get along with (and now I make friends much easier). I also never used to change the oil in my car and my parents had to do it and now I am having to teach myself to "learn" to do this which I've finally gotten use to. I know nothing about cars at all literally. I can change the tires, pump gas, change oil, and a few other things but other than these very common sense things I don't even know how a car operates. Hell, I didn't even use to know the things I know now :)

    It is kind of hard to say oh, some people just cant do certain things but I mean.. I can understand that yea definately because I have this theory abotu how certain areas of different peoples brains are more active which gives everyone different personalitys and gifts. Some people really make me wonder though. I was talking to a co-worker about this once and my point was that I may be good at playing guitar and computers but I lack some common sense and am not great at math. Though another person is great at math and couldn't play guitar or use a computer if his/her life depended on it. That is just the way it is.

    Anyway I'm late for work. Stupid alarm clock didn't go off.
     
  14. MrGaribaldi

    MrGaribaldi TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 2,512

  15. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,350

    lol.
     
  16. tnred

    tnred TS Rookie

    I absolutly agree with everyone. I have been a Computer Support Specialist for the last 3 years, and I had a stupid human episode a few weeks ago. Fortunatly for me, most of the people in the office are fairly compurter literate.( for the most part!)

    Story goes a little something like this.
    I rebuilt this guys pc, and got it done and took it back over to his desk and hooked everyhting this up accordingly, so he would have it first thing in the morning when he gets in.

    So I get a call, the next morning, saying that he didn'thave sound. ( ok, not a production must have) so I said ok, I will come over in a little bit.

    I knew exactly what the problem was before I went over there. You see a few years ago when Dell started pumping out Precision series pc's, they came with Concert Master Keyboards. They have speakers on them with a powerswitch, place for microphone etc..... ( WITHA POWER LIGHT INDICATOR) see where I am going with this one.

    So I went over to his desk and turned the power switch on, and viola he has sound.!!! Now I could see if the pc was on the floor, but when the keyboard and power switch is staring you right in the face..... come on!!!!

    I mean this guy is and Architect, and has been working with pc's for years.... nearly everybody has the ability to look down!!!

    It is very rare that I get stupid human episodes, but when I do,they are good ones.

    Stupidity will be the death of everyone!!!

    TnRed
     
  17. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,573   +65

    Computer literate people can be the worst.. Or least a step down from the worst.

    'Computer literate' individuals can sometimes believe very firmly they are right because they know half of the story... But the truth is they know just enough to screw things up. Hehe! I guess it depends largely upon the person's personality.

    I'd much rather deal with someone who thinks they know what they are talking about (They can be proven wrong with factual evidence) rather than someone who does not know how to use a mouse (They cannot understand anything y ou tell them!).

    It's hard though.. You know. If someone tried to teach me something I'm totally clueless about, I'd have a hard time too I think. I still have a hard time grasping how someone can get away with not know how to click on things though.......
     
  18. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,573   +65

    Oh.. Here's a good one!

    A friendly fellow brought in a new, self-built computer for repair, because he did not understand what was wrong.

    I opened it up and there were no motherboard spacers! LoL. The motherboard was screwed down tightly against the case. He also run out of screws and used huge dry wall screws to anchor it in! :D

    Because the motherboard was seated so low, none of his PCI cards were inserted into the motherboard properly - They wouldn't reach that far. (But he was none the wiser).


    I told him immediately that his system might be fried and from the looks of it, he did not know what he was doing. But he insisted what he was a pro at this and everything and he knew exactly how to build systems. LoL. I pointed him to the gargantuan, half-way in drywall screws again....

    I had a talk with him after I rebuilt his PC for him and he really thinks he's adept with computers... But I had to explain to him how to install a self-installing driver .exe package and a number of other "silly" things.

    .. But he's a professional.. Seriously.

    The happy ending here is that I explained to him step-by-step what I did for him and he possibly learned something. Also, his system worked! Lucky for him his motherboard had tiny little plastic cleats.. And although a section of the board itself was still touching the case (it was bent because it was screwed down tightly in one area), apparently not in an area where it mattered.
     
  19. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,350

    See, here is one of my stories and it has to do with Internet Technical support KIND OF... read further and you'll understand.

    I work at an Internet Provider.. so my job is to do many things but one of them is technical support (getting someone connected and telling them how to setup email, making sure their connection works, etc).

    So I get this call one day and I greet the caller and she says something about not getting certain channels on her TV. Something like "Yea, I can't get channels 128,287.297,298,123, etc.. can you help me?"..

    I sit there literally thinking "What the hell" and being a bit confused. "Who were you trying to call Mam?"

    "This is Global USA Online, correct?"
    "Yes Mam"
    "Well can you help me?"

    *long pause thinking how NOT to call this woman a fricken ******

    "We are an Internet Provider, we dont have anything to do with
    your television?"

    She pauses for a minute.

    "Can you transfer me to someone that can help?"

    *another pause*
    "No, you need to contact your cable/satellite company"

    "Grrrrrrrr......... *click*"

    Er... yea well... I'm still confused about this one.
     
  20. StormBringer

    StormBringer TS Rookie Posts: 2,244

    Rick, I think that guy may have a brother living down here. I saw something pretty close to that recently, minus the drywall screw.
     
  21. young&wild

    young&wild TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 993

    Hehe...no matter how high your IQ is or how clever you are, you will still have disadvantage over other people. One classical example is Albert Einstein, although a genius, he can't remember his own birthday, what a pity!
     
  22. acidosmosis

    acidosmosis TechSpot Chancellor Topic Starter Posts: 1,350

    True, but I'm not THAT bad. I am sort of an exception to the whole "nerd" cliche rule that nerds are just nerds and can't be in the popular crowd. Well, I am pretty popular (I wasnt in school but I am now) and I am a very high talented rock musician. My main problem is that I lack some common sense, which like you said is basically what Albert Einstein lacked a LOT of, but I'm not TOO bad lol.. I just forget to put oil in my car... USED to bounce checks over and over again but I got better at that after I learned from my NUMEROUS mistakes lol...

    The other day I somehwo forgot to put the gas cap back in my car and drove off without it .. oops.. lol good thing I had an extra one :)
     
  23. tnred

    tnred TS Rookie

    Oh my gosh, those are great! LOL.

    Being around people is the best part of my job. I have always been a people person, and I guess I learned that from my dad. He talked to everyone, and so do I. I guess my biggest problem with stupid people is a lack of patience on my part. When I say stupid peole, I am not talking about people that truly have no idea what they are doing, I am talking about the peole that halfway know. :)

    I mean if people would just step back and look at what they are doing, they would definatally see what they are doing wrong. Maybe I have too much faith, which isn't a bad thing I suppose.

    Technology, and the lack of common sense never cease to amaze me. Each day is definatally a new day, especially with people that just dont think!! LOL :p
     
  24. DigitAlex

    DigitAlex TechSpot Paladin Posts: 536

    hm hm
     
  25. Nic

    Nic TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,549

    That's exactly what I was thinking. hm hm
     

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