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Roundup: PIPA collapses, SOPA hearing to resume in February

By Leeky
Jan 19, 2012
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  1. The unprecedented blackout of websites yesterday in protest of the highly criticized Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA) legislation saw Wikipedia’s English site shut down…

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  2. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,517   +317

    Yesterday was one of the greatest days ever for me on the internet, it was the first time I logged into Facebook and instead of "just cooked dinner" "going out" or "I hate myself and everything" Everyone was discussing SOPA and proved that the Internet is a powerful tool for learning and passing on information. A lot of credit and respect to Wikipedia who affected the most people but was definitely for the better.
     
  3. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TS Guru Posts: 637   +117

    I would like to congratulate the people of the United States for stepping up and using the powers given to them to affect change. We let too many bills slide by us but yesterday was different. Also kudos to the Senators for listening to their constituents As they should. Now let's not forget about SOPA as it's still very much alive.
     
  4. Translation: All our piece of **** politicians realize that their cushy jobs are on the line because the great unwashed have gathered around congress with tar and feathers. To that end they have reversed themselves and are now trying to convince any one that can vote that they were never for the bill in the first place. Hollywood, another steaming load of monied filth, has decided to temporary retire to their mansions and plot new strategy. Some time in the future when the public is distracted by Dancing With The Stars or perhaps WWIII Hollywood will once again grease the palms of congress and a bill like this one will pass. All one has to do to see how patient these people are is to remember how free and easy America was in the 70's and contrast it with the fascist police state we now enjoy. Have a nice day.
     
  5. PC nerd

    PC nerd TS Booster Posts: 326   +38

    That is excellent!

    The power of the internet really is breath taking.

    All of us normal, sane people joining together as one to fight the stuck-up nutters who come up with **** like SOPA.

    Long live the internet community!
     
  6. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,133   +731

    SOPA = Biggest freak out over nothing in recent history. 'The fascist police state we now enjoy?!' Clearly today's generation has so much handed to them that the slightest threat of a decrease in privledges (not rights, mind you) warrants responses like this.

    SOPA was NEVER EVEN VOTED ON, it wasn't even close to being a law. If it passed through the house and senate and Obama said he was in favor, then you can freak out.

    What honestly scares me is how quick people jump on the bandwagon of 'the govt is evil, let's protest!' What we had was google, wikipedia and some others put a few obscure buzz-word filled phrases like 'Knowledge should be free' on their sites and everyone jumped on. It's not much different than the Bush adminitrations technique for invading Iraq. All about protecting you and your freedom with no real assessment of the threat. Heavy on rhetoric, light on details.

    SOPA didn't jibe with the big internet companies business model, and because they have the medium of a website with millions of vistitors they can get everyone on board with their agenda quite easily.

    But hey... we all got to feel like we were a part of something big and important for a day, didn't we.
     
  7. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TS Guru Posts: 637   +117

    I was gonna be a little more positive than above guest. However, the 70's can hardly be described as "free and easy" as we were bogged down in a war that the public didn't support and thousands of our own men were dying for, what seemed at the time, a pointless and wasteful conflict. Meanwhile there were people protesting en masse back home in the States. Not my definition of "free and easy"
     
  8. ok so now that we know our politicians are willing to pull this on their own people lets get them out of power. If you really want to fix the problem go to the root.
     
  9. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,141   +1,530

    If you are going to protest, do it before it becomes a problem not after. If you sit back and let it become a problem, you have no right in complaining at all. I understand what you are saying though, there wasn't any need in getting riled up over something that may never have been a problem. I do believe there are also things, you don't want to give a chance at being a reality.
     
  10. YA milwaukeemike but they may think twice before they try to pass similar bills through..This will have much more lasting effect and I'm glad something positive like that happened to protect the internet from the entertainment industry... They think they are above everyone else....deal with it...Make a good product and price accordingly and most people will buy your product...but be greedy and try to crush piracy (which will never happen) and you will lose more in the end. The sooner they get this through their big fat greedy heads the better we will all be. The music industry is falling inline and the movie industry will have to also.
     
  11. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,133   +731

    Perhaps. But if it was voted on in the house we'd know which representatives were in favor of it and we could elect someone else next time around. This bill could have just as easily been stopped before the senate voted or Obama signed it.
     
     
  12. I remember the 70's quite well. It was pretty much my "coming of age" decade. Yes, we were in the last years of the Vietnam war and there was protests on the streets. But you could go through an airport and board a plane without having to go through prison style security. You didn't have cameras every where reminding you that big brother was watching. Unless you were a certified scumbag you had little to fear from the cops. I can remember being about 16 and riding around drinking beer with a friend. (Foolish I know but I was young.) We were stopped by a State Trooper that probably sized up up in about 5 seconds. He asked us if we had any alcohol on us and before we could reply he told us that if we lied we would be in deep doo doo. We admitted our transgression, the cop poured our beer out on the street and warned me to go home and if he ever saw me with beer again I was going to jail. In retrospect I consider that a pretty decent way of handling the situation. That was my first, last and only time that I drank and drove. Today that situation would send some one straight to jail. I don't want to turn this post into a coming of age screen play but in those days the cops were almost unfailingly polite and one had to screw up pretty big to end up in jail. Now a six year old kid (boy) can be expelled from school for drawing a picture of a gun in class. In my mind the contrast between the 70's and now is large and not for the better. A blind man with a cane could see how incredibly worse most aspects of American society are now compared to then.
     
  13. What should scare you all more then anything is the fact it was squashed by the puplic. Now the next bill they attempt to pass to censore/control piracy will be done quietly. It will be buried in some obscure bill/law. Since our Reps dont even ACTUALLY read most of the bills that they pass. They get bullet points from aides. So watch 2-3 yrs from now when everyones blood presure has cooled and SOPA and PIPA are all but forgotten, a new bill will pass quietly. Once its passed, do you think we will be able to stop it? NOPE! They will make it a law under the patriot act or some such nonsense.
    This was just the first volley. They just wanted to see how the general public would react. The next one.......well lets just say I hope your not downloading movies or music. The MPAA wont let this go.
     
  14. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +91

    By your logic, if I see a man about to set a house on fire (but not actually on the act) then I guess I should just wait until he lights that sucker up right? I mean only <I>then</I> I'd be compelled to act...

    Even putting that analogy aside, do you even realize what a group of websites just did? Google gathered more than 4 million signatures; Wikipedia had more than 124 million views during the blackout, who knows about reddit, but that one must also be close.... Do you understand that we made a big dent in Washington from the comfort of our houses? Could you have predicted such a thing back in the 90s? Hell, how about just a few years ago?

    The internet served a bigger purpose than just stopping/delaying SOPA/PIPA, we established a mentality in the government: that if we spoke, and spread the information as fast and as efficiently as we did (which just so happens to be one of the internet's greatest assets) they will no longer just get away with whatever legislation they want wihtout going through the scrutiny of the people. That in and of itself is the greatest advantage of a democratic country.
     
  15. Actually the good thing about all of this is Democracy in action. People raise their voices and Congress responds. Governement for the people by the people.
     
  16. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,133   +731

    Excellent example. People nowadays freak out first, ask questions later. There's a bit of study going on right now about how the internet makes people stupid. We have access to tons of information, but have lost the ability to think, evaluate, decide for ourselves and react accordingly.
     
  17. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TS Guru Posts: 637   +117

    Nice story guest! Haha I never came close to seeing the 70's so I'll take your word for it. I can see how paranoia and political correctness has run amuck in recent years though.
     
  18. Hollywood trying to stop piracy would be analogous to harness makers of the early 1900's trying to get gas stations outlawed because the model T is taking away their business. What they fail to admit is that technology has marched on and their business model no longer comes with the fat profit margins of earlier times. They have a billion dollar business but they can no longer control the distribution of their product. It can be had for the cost of a cheap laptop and an internet hookup. The genie is out of the bottle. And all the money, lawyers, and crooked politicians in the world won't put it back.
     
  19. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,133   +731

    Poor analogy. Passing a law is a 3 step process. Voting in the house was scheduled for Jan 24th. If it passed then, it would have meant voting in the Sentate. Not a law, or a burning house in your example. If the house (or senate) is controlled by the opposite party of the president they will sometimes pass bills just to make the president veto them for use in campaigns later.

    You're right, a group of websites just did something impressive. But do you think all 124 million people really understood that law? How do you know your personal motives align with those websites? Laws are terribly complicated... look at the new healthcare bill. We have no idea how that will play out, and it's making companies all over the country hoard their cash while they wait and see. Now we have Occupy protests.

    You're right again. It makes our country great.... but it also assumes we know what we want. This was an easy one. SOPA sucked. What about something tough, like education or healthcare? Do you want teachers to be paid more for performing well? Sounds obvious, right? That comes with a performance eval, which can lead to firing bad teachers. The unions will not stand for that, and they have deep pockets at campaign time.

    Nothing is cut and dry.
     
  20. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TS Guru Posts: 637   +117

    We need a political thread in the general discussion forum where we can discuss this stuff in a *hopefully* civilized manner.
     
  21. mattfrompa

    mattfrompa TS Maniac Posts: 482   +8

    bandwagons scare you, but this doesn't?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzqMoOk9NWc
     
  22. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,640   +322

    I'm not really sure you completely understood SOPA/PIPA, I'm not sure how anyone in their right mind can support it. It isn't just about pirating movies/music or buying fake Coach purses, its much more than that.

    What sucks is, like the one Guest said, the lobbyists will make sure this won't get public attention next time. It will be split up in segments and passed under some farm subsidy bill.

    I haven't watched that youtube link (yet) from the post above me, but this video is fairly short and provides information on why SOPA/PIPA should not be allowed to pass: http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa/
     
  23. tonylukac

    tonylukac TS Maniac Posts: 924   +22

    If google really put their money where their mouth is, they'd black out their site for at least an hour. Or are they afraid of losing revenue?
     
  24. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,133   +731

    I understand why people are scared. The govt could shut down any site that has copyrighted material or links to it. That includes a TON of sites. But the govt can also pull you over for driving 2 MPH over the speed limit, and it never happens. Google and Wikipedia also had the very easy defense of 'our site is not supposed to be used for piracy, but we can't control what people search for etc.' Just like they don't outlaw steak knives because someone got killed with one once. They'd probably just have a disclaimer on their site.

    I wish it had been voted on so we would have learned which politicians supported it. then we could vote em out. Now we don't know, and (as mentioned) it might be slipped in slowly in future bills.

    It also really annoyed me how wikipedia shut down their site. Stick it to the poor kid who's got a project due at school?! Google is at least considerate and doesn't put their own business plan over the need of the public to use their site.
     
  25. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,378   +99

    Lets not forget that these legislations would also give the Courts powers to shut down open websites, like Facebook. All it takes is one post, or one webpage citing illegal content and the Law could pull the whole website down.

    Think Twitter, Facebook, Wikipedia or any other publicly accessible website where members registered, or anonymously can post any form of content > It takes just one post resulting in the whole site being removed.

    That is without question beyond lunacy.

    That's without even considering the abuse of power media mongrels could wage from its passing.
     


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