Russian US election hacking reached 39 states, led to Obama calling Putin on the "red...

[kapital98]

This thread is perhaps the best example I've ever seen of confirmation bias.

I agree with this (mostly). A key to an informed electorate is education but it's also discussing ideas with others. You can have all of the education you want but if you are never forced to defend your ideas then it doesn't matter.

When people have face-to-face interactions it makes them more willing to concede or even look at the contrary evidence. You may disagree on ideas, but you don't hate them as a person. Meanwhile, on the internet, we can stay in our own bubbles and then, when confronted with contrary evidence, we vehemently attack it as untrue and believe even more deeply in what we believed.

In person conversations also force you to know what you are talking about on the spot. It's rarely gives you group support and you need to be able to cite and discuss what you believe off the top of your head. This is very, very difficult unless you know what you are talking about. This requires an understanding of both sides (which often creates a respect, even if in strong disagreement, with the other side).

Confirmation bias is a major problem (and so are many other heuristics used to rationalize our beliefs). Still, I'm hesitant to label people as such because everyone will start playing pop-psychologist.

 

[seefizzle]

I've never heard Trump utter a bad word about Putin or Russia. I have heard him utter countless bad words though.

 

[davislane1]

I've never heard Trump utter a bad word about Putin or Russia. I have heard him utter countless bad words though.

"Hillary" isn't a bad word. It's just her name.

 

[seefizzle]

"Hillary" isn't a bad word. It's just her name.

What does Hillary have to do with anything?

 

[davislane1]

What does Hillary have to do with anything?

Did you miss where this Russia narrative started?

 

[wiyosaya]

You know what? You're alright.



1,000s of instances of cheating enabled by Fox News, that's what that is. Democrats failing to hold seats is unpossible.



They picked up a page from the Vatican's playbook. All they did was substitute "source" for "God" and "media" for "holy."

Vatican, 7th century: Only holy officials of the church, who have a direct dialogue with God, have authority to speak on matters of the Bible. To question this or attempt to translate His holy text into the common tongue so that it may be read by sinners is a heresy and you will be duly punished.

Media, today: Only the media, which has a direct dialogue with anonymous sources inside the governemnt, have the authority to speak on the veracity of matters concerning the state. To question this or attempt to unmask said sources so they may be evaluated by the common man is a heresy and you will be duly punished.

But don't take my word for it. Directly from the church CNN:

An endless source of humor, are you. Enjoy it while it lasts!

 

[Evernessince]

Trump's policies have been to benefit the American taxpayer, not illegal aliens and wastrels. If you want to blame Putin for that, have at it. It's a ridiculous thing to do but I can't stop you.


It is inherently unethical. People should be working and earning their own money, not leaching off those who are.


That's the trap, and you haven't seen through it yet.


I have no problem with a military and law enforcement. Those things need to have the profit motive removed in order to help avoid becoming corrupt.

Government is not needed for schools to educate the people. If you had a grasp of history you'd know that education was coming along fine in America long before Uncle Sam stepped in and started over-complicating things. A college education could once be paid for with part time job. Now that government money is available for borrowing, universities have raised their prices to a point where a degree program is more expensive than a down payment on a house.

Also, Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme.


No, my standpoint is clearly Conservative politics, not radical. If you're going to use a word, at least know what it means.

This isn't a result of training, but a consequence of experience; of someone who once thought like you do then saw for himself how the real world works.

Federal spending is overwhelmingly directed toward social programs. People should be working and earning their own money, not leaching off others. It's already bankrupting the country.

When people can keep having babies and get more money from welfare than from actual employment, something is wrong.

Tell us how much of other people's money do you think you're entitled to?


Yes, thank God! Because there are still enough actual Americans left to see the harm that will come with these nation-breaking policies you seem to think are a good thing for Americans. They voted to stop it before it becomes too late.


No effect?
The effect of runaway socialism are taking place right now in Venezuela. If you think it's such a good thing, go live there.

We're borrowing money from others and are already in trillions of dollars of debt. You know these things already but you seem to be so hungry to win an argument that you'll stick your head up your own @#$ and feign ignorance in order to try to score an internet victory.


Your picture could be in a dictionary next to the entry for the Dunning-Kruger effect, and it wouldn't seem out of place.
Non-citizens voting in American elections is a bad thing for American citizens. If you believe otherwise you are a lunatic.


Your shaming language is weak-sauce and isn't going to prove your point, assuming you even have one. I'd tell you why you should be ashamed of yourself, but people like you seldom have any.

You want to get rid of public schools, yes your viewpoints are radical. Education was not "coming along just fine" before that. You had people who could afford school and those who couldn't. Once public schools were introduced the average education level drastically increased. Take that away and the middle class will nearly completely evaporate.

"Yes, thank God! Because there are still enough actual Americans left to see the harm that will come with these nation-breaking policies you seem to think are a good thing for Americans. They voted to stop it before it becomes too late."

Yes, "nation breaking". They must be why they are so effective in other countries. Fun fact: Japan has the highest life expectancy of any country in the world and they have a single payer government run healthcare system. They also have extremely strict gun laws and there is near zero gun crimes. But yes, America is going fine with daily shootings and life expectancy near 3rd world country levels. Thank god I live in a state where I'm expected to live 20 years longer than the average american.

"We're borrowing money from others and are already in trillions of dollars of debt. You know these things already but you seem to be so hungry to win an argument that you'll stick your head up your own @#$ and feign ignorance in order to try to score an internet victory."

You do realize that these programs do not equal more debt, right?

"Non-citizens voting in American elections is a bad thing for American citizens. If you believe otherwise you are a lunatic."

Where's your proof, fox news? Bring me a credible source or GTFO.

 

[Rippleman]

"Non-citizens voting in American elections is a bad thing for American citizens. If you believe otherwise you are a lunatic."

Where's your proof, fox news? Bring me a credible source or GTFO.

I must interject on this point... I am Canadian, so you ok with me me voting in US elections to determine the future of the USA? Are you sure you thought your position through?

 

[kapital98]

I must interject on this point... I am Canadian, so you ok for me voting in US elections?

Come on, now... You knew what he meant. There have been significant concerns over votes being cast by non-citizens. Yet there is essentially no evidence of any such behavior. We are spending millions of dollars to prevent something that there is no known threat of. It's a scare tactic.

I sincerely doubt the poster was advocating for foreigners to vote.

 

[Evernessince]

Come on, now... You knew what he meant. There have been significant concerns over votes being cast by non-citizens. Yet there is essentially no evidence of any such behavior. We are spending millions of dollars to prevent something that there is no known threat of. It's a scare tactic.

I sincerely doubt the poster was advocating for foreigners to vote.

It was an effective scare tactic though.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

It allowed republicans to disqualify millions of American citizen's votes.

But I'm sure Milest won't believe any of it. It's ok for him to backup his position with zero evidence while sources everyone else provides are wrong. Trump has been able to label everything he doesn't condone "the lying media" or "fake news". It is the exact same setup as a dictator.

 

[davislane1]

It was an effective scare tactic though.

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

It allowed republicans to disqualify millions of American citizen's votes.

But I'm sure Milest won't believe any of it. It's ok for him to backup his position with zero evidence while sources everyone else provides are wrong. Trump has been able to label everything he doesn't condone "the lying media" or "fake news". It is the exact same setup as a dictator.

--> Demands "credible" sources.
--> Cites Rolling Stone, infamous for ruining the lives of UVA students over a rape that never happened.

This thread should be locked as there is now nowhere else to go with it. Claiming fake news by citing a demonstrated distributor and defender of fiction will not be topped in this discussion.