Samsung loses U.S. trial, owes Apple more than $1 billion in damages

People can say they won't buy an android device, but manufacturers have to pay royalties to apple. Even if you dont buy an apple product you are still giving them money. Android, windows phone, blackberry, palm. Doesn't matter what smart phone you get, apple still gets a chunk of your cash.

It's amazing how many people here don't have a clue of what actually went down in the court case but feel they deserve an opinion. Regardless of whether you are Apple-hating-zealot (you would be in the minority by the way), they practically created the "smart phone" sector as we know it and the patents garnered from this should be respected. Samsung was shown quite clearly in much of the case to not respect these patents and the law is taking its course.

Apple-hating-zealots (who by the way are benefiting greatly from Apple's leadership in this technology sector) should blame the law if you feel it is wrong and not Apple. Apple is merely trying to protect its intellectual property like every other company (Samsung included) does.

By the way, Apple hardware AND software is very easy to argue as the best. This has been shown in countless reviews and bears itself out in Apple's great success. Apple is the choice of most professionals in media . There OS is highly functional, easy to use, stable and virtually virus free relative to the others. The Mac hardware even runs the competitions' OS better than other hardware. Many still have no need for third-party anti-virus. Try and do that on Windows?!?!. And Apple support is still superior to most.

Fine if you prefer other than Apple but to hate on them is just juvenile at best.

To the simpletons who say " I'm glad apple won because now it will stimulate innovation.." . This won't period this will kill design, why? because just like allot of other devices there is a basic and core criteria that to deviate from is to make the item hugely expensive or to not be ergonomic in the least. there's a reason why minivans , pick-ups and compact cars all look almost the same... cost, ergonomics and in this case, aerodynamics, interior space and aesthetics all play a part.

The human hand has a range of sizes, so for the most part you have to define your shape to fit as many of those hands , hence an averaged number used across the board by most companies, there's the dimensions issue understood and taken care of. You have X number of layers to make up a working smart phone, would be horrendously expensive so there's the thickness issue taken care of. Sharp edges on anything mean poor ergonomics, possible cuts and tears and stress points, hence round edges. the only thing that you really have any say over is external input and output ( buttons, speakers and jack points.), which is where Apple and Samsung differ.

Unless there is a fundamental change in technology that does away with hand held, rigid screen I/O, this ruling is going to make any movement in design almost moot.

This is good, actually.

I have nothing smart, witty, or sarcastic to say. This is truly sad news.

Apple is destroying the world one patent suit at a time. I watched this case from day one. I can say the judge was playing favorite to apple. It is also known she is a big supported of apple. Most of the jurors were also bought by apple. The judges objections also persuaded the jury to believe Samsung is in the wrong. The one point missed in this case was apple was asserting industry essentials patents against Samsung.

Most patent suits hinder innovation no matter who is suing, not just this apple case.

I will never buy an apple product as long as they keep ruining innovation.

You're buying into the Samsung argument. This lawsuit was more than about "rectangles". It was about the look and feel of the OS---particularly the rubber band scrolling and swipes that Apple invented for their iOS. And then it came down to the icons that were used by Samsung for their phones. Granted some of the icons should be pretty standard, but c'mon using the same flower as the Photos Button---really???

I'm glad it's over and now these companies will truly be forced to invent their own stuff. And innovate as they claim. I hate these lawsuits in the long run because the only ones benefiting are the lawyers.

Now why does Apple reminds me of a miserable company like EA.....jeez I don't know

It's as if they went out and selected the jury by picking people that don't know what a cell phone even is.

"The Mac hardware even runs the competitions' OS better than other hardware."

I had no idea Core i5's, i7's and nVIDIA graphics were considered Mac hardware.

except Xerox had the original so they didnt copy Apple.

Well since they didnt actully INVEST in the original idea, why couldnt they compete?

Really? rounded icons, icons in a grid,square shaped phone with rounded corners ?
(btw, if you cant tell, this phone predates the iphone)

btw, released 2003 4 years before the iphone.
the rx1950 released 2005 had an onscreen keyboard.

really? apple has more CASH(note: unspent untargeted cash, not assets, or turnover) then the GDP of 131 of the poorest countries

LOL It's got me puzzled too!

...also to add to that, the only thing that Apple actually has done is the operating system. But sadly not so many know about that :/


Why god why? -Why are there so many apple fan-boys out there? -there should be much less of them! Personally I would love to see Apple fall...but I guess that that's not gonna happen

When you make a false claim that GUI was copied from xerox or stolen you have to have the authors or inventors name? Who was the author of GUI? Don't seem to have that fact ha? For if you have that fact we would all realize that Jobs was on that team? So if I invent something while working at a company for peanuts is it me steeling from them when I quit and take what I invented with me? So you can keep your bs propaganda for your self.

Goodbye innovation!

Just like the good old days, if you cant beat them breed them out!

Bring on the fake iphones!

While some of what you said about Apple is true (well, used to be true at least), I just have one question for you. If Apple is so superior, why are they patenting everything to the point where the competition can't even improve on it. Before you say to "protect their unique ideas", just keep in mind that a small rectangular devices with big screens and round corners isn't unique to iphones. It is unique to the whole smartphone category. I understand you probably live, eat, and breathe apple products (You'd have to to be THIS biased), but I've talked to die-hard apple fans that follow this tech stuff closer than me and not one of them agree with what apple is doing. It's no mystery that apple has terrible ethics.

And what would a company with no ethics do when the competition starts making better products? Apparently sue until they can't.

To the guy who came up with all the smart phone pictures of the past. The icons on those things look exactly like the iphone so apple must have copied all off those. Also look up altair and star and see how crude those interfaces were. And watch apples version just years later and see how much they innovated and changed for better and usability and also how they design the icons so common intelligence can guess at the function of an icon without reading a book about it and just pick it up and use. You can hate apple but this is what they brought to the market so du mb a s s es like your self can use computers without reading a os bible for it. Read much lately?

You guys have to do some reading. It's particularly sad when fanboys don't read about the case, and just be informed by glorified "tech" blogs and think they know what they're talking about.

We are talking about federal jurors here. They did their job, and they did it right. If you had seen the exhibits of the case, plus the e-mails of Samsung executives where they literally discussed on which features to take from the iPhone and put onto their Galaxy devices, then you'd know. I don't agree with the amount of damages, simply because to me it seems like a lot, but Samsung did knowingly infringe on Apple. And I don't care so much for Samsung paying, but for other OEMs to truly innovate. This ruling, which will undoubtedly be appealed, means manufacturers will produce less but better devices; devices that truly look different.

Won't really argue, just putting the information out there.

You're probably right that Samsung knowingly infringed. Given the case as it was, the jury probably made the right decision. But what gets me is how the official procedure completely stomped out common sense. Anyone who reads about them can tell that apple's patents are a joke. Sure, eventually the other OEMs will probably come out with something way better than what apple has, and it'll be their turn to patent everything so that apple can't work on that. The point is though that we would get much more innovation if we could continue on the traditional route. Take something good and refine it, but unfortunately that'd be illegal now.

But they took the pieces of **** and made them good. It achieved the same thing, but in totally different ways.
Your explanation is liking saying cars copy horses, because they transport you from A to B.

Any improvement Samsung have made isn't very big, as the iPhone was a good product to begin with. Had they added some new, market changing features, then maybe they could have avoided this lawsuit by talking about what they have innovated.

Other than a slight change to the design, this is a copy of years of hardwork from Apple, especially their designers, like Jony Ive.