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So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

By vnf4ultra
Jun 2, 2006
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  1. swker98

    swker98 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,348

    this should be a sticky
  2. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    You could get a micro atx socket 478 AGP motherboard. Agp is much better than pci.
    And if you don't replace your processsor, then you have a larger budget for a good graphics card.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice=
    This is probably the best one.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131460
  3. decgal

    decgal TS Rookie

    hi i have a dell dimensions 2400 and would like to do the same as you .
    did the new motherboard fit and plugs are the same ,did you need to buy any thing else other than graphics card. i also heard that a board from a dimensions 4600 is a good fit has an 8x agp socket . what has yours.
    thanks dec.
  4. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    Yes, the new micro atx motherboard fit perfectly in the dell (2300) case. Notice it's a micro atx (matx), not a full ATX board. The normal plugs, like the power connections, hard drive, and cd/dvd drive connections were the same, but the power switch/power led/hard drive led pins were different on the new motherboard. I just used the motherboard manual to find which were the correct pins on the motherboard, and then figured out which two wires in the dell case went to the power button and put those on the boards power switch pins. I then did the same with the hd led and power led, tracing the wires and putting them on the correct pins. Here's how I could tell which wire on the led's was the + and which was the -.
    http://img432.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fpguide8cy.jpg
    Once you know which led pin is + , then trace it to the end of the wire and then connect that wire to the led+ pin of the appropriate led on the motherboard. Do the same for the - wire on each led.
    I believe the 2400 uses a different hard drive led/power led/power switch connector than the 2300 though, so without any more info(pics of connector, and which board you're using), I can't say much more on how to get it to work

    Also my dell had 4 additional motherboard standoffs in addition to the standard micro atx standoffs. These surrounded the cpu(processor), and were used to hold the cpu heatsink mount/shroud onto the board. These needed to be removed before installing the new board(or they'd short out the new motherboard).

    The front usb and headphone jack probably won't work with the new motherboard(so buy a usb hub :)).
    I eventually got my usb to work with some modding, but it's more trouble than it's worth in my opinion. Still can't get the headphone to work though, but many speaker sets have a built in headphone jack on one of the speakers.


    If you put a nice graphics card in, it might overload the stock power supply, since the dell system wasn't designed to support a graphics card. I usually recommend a cheap 400-450w fsp group, xclio, or enermax power supply if needed.

    Yes I've heard a mb from a dell 4600 works, and maybe one from a 4700 as well, but I'm not sure.

    I used this.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128222
    I think it's a decent board.

    I put in a leadtek agp 6200 card, that I unlocked into a nvidia 6600 and overclocked a bit, but I did this a while ago. I'd recommend a x1600pro agp, 7600gs agp, or 7800gs agp now though.

    Note that swapping motherboards may mean that you might have to buy a new copy of xp (~$85USD), or not be able to access info on your current hard drive, so please back up all important pics, music, docs, emails, bookmarks, etc before you do any upgrades.
  5. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Posts: 1,088

    Anyone buying 1 of these or any other PCI card mainly, should force pixel shader 1.4, using RivaTuner, huge FPS boost, not much quality differance that i can tell, its under D3D settings.
  6. jedimaster1089

    jedimaster1089 TS Rookie Posts: 16

    I have the PCI onlyslot problem too and i was wondering if anyone knew which of the PCI graphics cards can acctually run BF2 even on low graphics. Does the on that vnf4ultra work?
  7. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    From:
    http://pc.ign.com/articles/625/625776p1.html

    Conclusion: it should work with the pci 6200, but I doubt any other pci card will give playable results.
  8. jedimaster1089

    jedimaster1089 TS Rookie Posts: 16

    Ok thank you.
    one other reader review that i read on newegg said that th fx 5500 could run it also so I think that I will most likely be buying this card.
  9. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    Yeah, a 5500 might run it, but only on absolute lowest settings and even then I doubt it will be running fast enough to be "playable."
  10. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Posts: 1,088

    My BF2 runs on Lowest on my 5500FX overclocked to 450mhz RAM, and 316mhz Core, at about 30-40fps.
  11. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    Hmm, care to give some more details about the fx5500 running bf2? Like what screen res and are you forcing direct x 7/8 mode? Using a lower pixel shader version? Any actual benchmarks, like using fraps instead of "about 30-40fps?"

    Just wondering how bad bf2 would have too look to play on a fx5500...
     
  12. MetalX

    MetalX TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,909

    Is that Battlefront 2 or Battlefield 2?
  13. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 25,948   +19

    I agree, sticky it is.

    Regards Howard :)
  14. bigredmachine

    bigredmachine TS Rookie Posts: 93

    So what is the best pci card for around 50 bucks and how do I know the amount of power it needs?
  15. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    I was assuming battlefield 2, but good point, could be either...


    Too bad newegg stopped carrying the pci 6200, it was only $30, and is one of the best pci cards.
    http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...00p&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=firefox-a
    Now, I guess for $50 you might find a fx5200 or fx5500, look for one with 128bit memory interface. The cards box should indicate the recommended power supply, usually 250w or 300w in this card class, but I think most of these would run on a basic(single hard drive, single optical, lower end processor) system with only a 200w power supply.
  16. Shizat

    Shizat TS Rookie Posts: 78

    If you only have PCI slots, what kind of games do you expect to play anyways.. I mean what motherboard (besides one with dead onboard video) has only PCI slots... That is more than 500Mhz, and anything less, I wouldnt even play Half-Life on... Well, I would but thats beside the point...
  17. bigredmachine

    bigredmachine TS Rookie Posts: 93

    Is there a significant increase in performance over the integrated intel video card I have now that would make buying and installing one of these worth it?
  18. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    Actually many, many current sytems still have no agp or pci-e slot. The newest dells on their low end have only pci slots and you can get them with relatively fast processors(for example, a b110 dell with a pentium 4 2.8ghz isn't too slow, a lot faster than 500mhz).

    A fx5500 will be faster, and will give you the added side benefit of freed up system memory(since integrated "shares" between 32 and 128mb of system memory for graphics textures). I don't know how much faster a fx5500 will be, since I don't have one, but my pci 6200 was several times faster than my integrated intel graphics. Don't expect miracles though.
  19. Shizat

    Shizat TS Rookie Posts: 78

    Right that's what I meant by one with some crappy onboard video... But I don't buy Dell or any of that, just custom built systems, so I will only have what I want ayways...
  20. Ccabral24

    Ccabral24 TS Rookie

    FX5500 Dimension B110 512Ram P4 2.6

    I got my NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 256MB, But no signal to the monitor. I set the primary Graphic in the Bios as AUTO and Still the problem.

    Is this graphic card to much for the Dimension B110?


    Regards!
  21. F1N3ST

    F1N3ST TS Rookie Posts: 1,088

    Disable the onboard driver in Control Panel>System>device manager. I have a 5500fx and i had to do that.
  22. Ccabral24

    Ccabral24 TS Rookie

    I already did it, But still the problem. It is a headache.
    I will test other PowerSupply With more power.
    What else I can do?

    Thanks!
  23. cyang86

    cyang86 TS Rookie

    Hi all.

    I have a Dell Dimension 3000 as well, & i have been searching for some new motherboards with AGP slot. Here's some motherboards that i able to find in my place:

    Asus P4V8X-MX:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131573

    MSI PM8M-V:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130519

    Biostar P4M80-M4:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138262

    ASRock P4I65G:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157090

    Which 1 is the most suitable for my sistem? Their prices are not much diff.

    Thanks a lot!
  24. vnf4ultra

    vnf4ultra TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 2,195

    Of the four boards you list, I'd say go for the Asrock p4i65g
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157090

    I like that it has an intel chipset, which I like better than the via and sis chipsets available. It also has generally good ratings, 83% voted 5/5 eggs.

    I personally used this board.
    Gigabyte 8IG1000MK
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128222
    I like it, and would recommend it, but not sure if it's worth the money over the asrock, although it does have 4 dimm slots instead of 2.
  25. cyang86

    cyang86 TS Rookie

    Btw, i found the processor's socket in the Asrock's is diff wif the 1 in Dell's, as well as the 1 in Gigabyte 8IG1000MK. Does it means that my current Dell's heatsink set cannot fit into the Asrock's?

    I hope you understand what i mean :)


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