So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

FusilliJerry82 said:
Do you have any idea how weak 120W is? The standard minimum nowadays is 300W.
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Dell PSUs are underrated, and 120W is enough for an 8400GS, which has a TDP of only 40W. Plus, the PCI rev. 2.3 or something has a section that states that the maximum power draw of a PCI card cannot be more than 25W from each power rail on a PSU. Additionally, only 6W or so can be drawn from the +12V rail, leaving more than enough useable power for the CPU. But still, getting a new 250-300W PSU (from any brand, that system is not going to stress it much) is recommended to leave some headroom. Just make sure it fits in the case properly.

However, running it on a 90W PSU is not something I can believe either.
 
Well I followed the link Electro posted, read through the mats, and followed the instructions. I even followed the dell/nvidea driver install page and used drive sweeper. No luck, the monitor acts like nothing is plugged in, same with bios. The only heat it throws off is residual from the chassis. I truly think that if the issue was just my psu, weak as it might be, it would at the very least be warm to the touch when I try switching it out.
Anyhow, before I spend more money on a new psu, I think I'll lay on the side of caution, sent the card back for a new one. If I have the exact same issue, then I will grab a new psu.
If I was wrong at least it will be verified is the way I see it.
 
TechProbie said:
Well I followed the link Electro posted, read through the mats, and followed the instructions. I even followed the dell/nvidea driver install page and used drive sweeper. No luck, the monitor acts like nothing is plugged in, same with bios. The only heat it throws off is residual from the chassis. I truly think that if the issue was just my psu, weak as it might be, it would at the very least be warm to the touch when I try switching it out.
Anyhow, before I spend more money on a new psu, I think I'll lay on the side of caution, sent the card back for a new one. If I have the exact same issue, then I will grab a new psu.
If I was wrong at least it will be verified is the way I see it.
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Your PSU is not weak, i am using 90watts and the card is working just fine. Its either the PSU is dying or your card is dying. You should buy the EVGA 8400gs or the BFG version. The bfg version is 100 bucks, but very good. The evga is like 60 dollars, but its the best one, because the memory bandwidth and memory is higher then the rest of the bfg.

But yea my guess your PSU is dying or something is wrong with the card.
 
hey guys i want to play games (at most, like oblivion/f.e.a.r 1) but im not quite sure which PCI video card would be able to handle them on atleast medium graphics
my rig:
p4 2.8 ghz
1 gb ddr ram
300 w powersupply
windows xp pro sp3

i currently have a radeon 9200se but most of the 2006 games have been pretty choppy, even on low settings. i also have no experience in overclocking

ps. my budget is prolly $100-120
 
manymunkies said:
hey guys i want to play games (at most, like oblivion/f.e.a.r 1) but im not quite sure which PCI video card would be able to handle them on atleast medium graphics
my rig:
p4 2.8 ghz
1 gb ddr ram
300 w powersupply
windows xp pro sp3

i currently have a radeon 9200se but most of the 2006 games have been pretty choppy, even on low settings. i also have no experience in overclocking

ps. my budget is prolly $100-120
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130451

EVGA 8400GS core at 567, memory at 500, bandwidth at 8GB. Best 8400gs ever made pretty much

or

The Sparkle 8500GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187059

Btw, what is your p4, a dell ?
 
manymunkies said:
hey guys i want to play games (at most, like oblivion/f.e.a.r 1) but im not quite sure which PCI video card would be able to handle them on atleast medium graphics
my rig:
p4 2.8 ghz
1 gb ddr ram
300 w powersupply
windows xp pro sp3

i currently have a radeon 9200se but most of the 2006 games have been pretty choppy, even on low settings. i also have no experience in overclocking

ps. my budget is prolly $100-120
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I'd suggest saving to build a 400 usd system, core 2 duo, or amdx2 something. It will be more worth it in the long run, especially if you want to play games as late as oblivion. If you feel as though you cant wait I'd say buy some ddr as well. How much ram can your setup support 2 or 4? Which ever it is you should max it out. The performance is minimal even if you upgrade to a high end pci card. And a waste of 100usd imo, if you do spend that much.
 
yeah unfortunately i prolly wont be able to buy/build a new comp within the next 3 years so getting a better pci card is the best choice.
so even with my specs + lets say a 9400gt 512 mb 128-bit card, i won't be able to run smoothly on fear at 1024 x 720 res, medium settings?
 
manymunkies said:
yeah unfortunately i prolly wont be able to buy/build a new comp within the next 3 years so getting a better pci card is the best choice.
so even with my specs + lets say a 9400gt 512 mb 128-bit card, i won't be able to run smoothly on fear at 1024 x 720 res, medium settings?
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I never played oblivion on my rig, so i can't comment on that. But fear 1, all versions. With my BFG 8400gs i can run the game at 1280x1024 medium to max settings with AAX2 and still get 20-37fps.

I suggest you buy the EVGA 8400gs.

If you want wait and build , thats your choice. I can't really comment on that too, because i don't build, i buy prebuilt computers.
 
Keep in mind that 20 FPS is unplayable to anyone but General. He's happy with 7 FPS which is a slideshow.

Might I ask what make and model the computer is?
 
I ain't getting 7 or 10fps in games anymore hahha. My new rig is amazing, even tho i only tested out one game using my Visiontek 2400HD PCI, slower then the 8400gs, but wow what a difference a computer makes. The only game which i have tested is a game called shade wrath, on my p3 i was getting between 14-40 and it would drag at times, but with my new rig i am getting a soild 30-70fps. It never drops below 30. No slowdown either.

The 8400gs can run this game better, but i want to use my 2400 right now, because it works better with certain other games.

Anyways, PCI cards are not bottlenecks and this new rig using them proves my point. PCI cards rocks :)
Even tho i am buying a 4670 in the future, so no worries guys, i will be using pcie, i do have a slot for it. :)
 
Oh, ok. Well i have 2 pci slots and one pcie 1.0, however you can buy a pciex16 bridge to add on top of the pcie1, which i plan to do, and i will buy a 4670 card in the future. :)

Haven't played doom, but i should get more then 30fps, i will download a demo soon and check it out.
 
Love the Sparkle 9400GT

So i have better PCs, but i took at bet that a Pentium 3 system couldn't beat my bosses Pentium 4 system. Now he has a nice Pentium 4 system, 3.6ghz (very rare) liquid cooled, oc's to 4.2ghz(yeah), with 8gb of DDR2 80. His graphics are a 9800GTX. So i had my work cut out, i realized i would never win, soi just decided to make it interesting. I bought a Tyan Dual Socket 370, put two 1.4ghz tualatin core Pentium 3s, stock at 1.4, oc's to 1.68 each. added 4gb of ram, and a 7200rpm 42gb SCSI (really fast but LOUD), and a Compact flash adapter to allow a 8gb 300x IDE CF card ( basic really fast SSD). But my graphics were limited, my board only has two PCI 64bit slots. I tryed two different 8400gs's, but they couldn't even play madden, than a x1550, epic fail, than a 8500gt, very, very nice, i lost horribly. So i updated to the sparkle 9400GT 1gb DDR2, added newer cooler ond overclocked the living christ out of it. It plays crysis on medium/high settings at 1024x768, which is crap on a 22" monitor, so i play it lower with high res now. But i oc'd it from 550 to 590, mem i can't remeber but it was 35mhz over stcok speed. I did SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better the secoind benchmark around, my boss was on the floor in disbelief, my system was only 3,000points behind his in 3D Mark 05. I thought it was cool, shows the potential of PCI still, and that two CPUs are sill better than one, my CPU score was better than his:), now i am saving up for the Jaton 6200 x 2 PCI card, its really exspensive, but hey two CPU's and two GPUs you can't go wrong:)
 
Yes you can

manymunkies said:
yeah unfortunately i prolly wont be able to buy/build a new comp within the next 3 years so getting a better pci card is the best choice.
so even with my specs + lets say a 9400gt 512 mb 128-bit card, i won't be able to run smoothly on fear at 1024 x 720 res, medium settings?
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It also kinda depends on your sytem but not toooo terribly much, gaming does require at least a good amount of ram, if your running XP i would say 1gb is decent 2gb great 3 is about your max on 32bit. on vista nothing below 2gb. I have the 1gb version of your card in a system with dual P3s and it runs crysis at medium/high settings on lower res, but it can run it in 1280x720 easy on low settings, and even a little of medium.
 
Seaner71 said:
Now i am saving up for the Jaton 6200 x 2 PCI card, its really exspensive, but hey two CPU's and two GPUs you can't go wrong:)
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Please do not buy that. Why don't you just buy the 9400GT PCI 1GB its the same thing 2 gpu-s = 512mb + 1GB and plus the card is much much faster.
 
I Have the 9400GT

Actually, no matter what those 2 GPUs will smoke a single GPU, until you get into heavy hardcore graphics, which i could care less about. The two GPUs double up to equal 600mhz core, 1,066mhz mem clock, with 128bit bus(or it could still be 64bit, don't matter its PCI) and a gig of mem, each GPU has 512mb to do what it wish's. The thing i need to call jaton about is if i only have one monitor plugged in, will only one GPU work, that seems to be the case, and if it is i will just stick with the 9400GT, I would love to see the Sparkle 9500GT in the US, they overclock way better, and come stock a lot better, but as far as a 9400GT Sparkle used a nice GPU, and they are the leaders in a niche market, most people at least have something other than PCI, and if they only have PCI its probabely for a HTPC, so not a ton of GPU power is needed.
 
Seaner71 said:
Actually, no matter what those 2 GPUs will smoke a single GPU, until you get into heavy hardcore graphics, which i could care less about. The two GPUs double up to equal 600mhz core, 1,066mhz mem clock, with 128bit bus(or it could still be 64bit, don't matter its PCI) and a gig of mem, each GPU has 512mb to do what it wish's. The thing i need to call jaton about is if i only have one monitor plugged in, will only one GPU work, that seems to be the case, and if it is i will just stick with the 9400GT, I would love to see the Sparkle 9500GT in the US, they overclock way better, and come stock a lot better, but as far as a 9400GT Sparkle used a nice GPU, and they are the leaders in a niche market, most people at least have something other than PCI, and if they only have PCI its probabely for a HTPC, so not a ton of GPU power is needed.
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Two 6200s won't smoke anything. There is no SLI between the cores on that card, hence the second GPU is only good for running extra monitors and the card itself is a piece of crap. The 9400GT on PCI is much better than that overpriced Jaton card which is not meant to game on, but rather as a means to connect a ton of monitors to a single computer. That said, the 9400GT is also overpriced, the 1Gb version is useless as it will never use all that RAM, and in general don't expect much out of PCI.
 
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