Um yeah I know I called them. I know that PCi sucks, that why I have a 9600GSO and a 9800GX2 in my two main machines now. But i am doing a project/bet, i am a power user, i was given a Dell Latitude CPx J650GT for free (9 yars old), and i will use it as my primamry computer for four weeks and I am going to document this on my youtube account, GeforcerFX is my user name. My Laptops internal graphics suck (ATI Rage Mobility M1 8mb) and since I game alot i need something with some power. The docking station for my series luckily has two PCI ports built in, i am going to use my x1550 from my old Dell, until I buy a new 9400GT for it. I will benmark and test certain games and applications throughout the month, and some issues that i am having, check it out, the first video will go up on Wednsday or thursday next week.
So you only have PCI slots and want to game?
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Rage_3K_Moiz
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Wow, so two VRAM modules on the card equates to two GPUs?!
I'm sure the folks at Sparkle would like them to work for you. False marketing is certainly right up your alley.
I'm sure the folks at Sparkle would like them to work for you. False marketing is certainly right up your alley.
Tha General
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If you are talking to me i never said that, i said its no point in buying a jaton 6200 that has 512 MB DDR2 Per GPU 1GB Total Onboard when you can just buy a a sparkle 9400gt that is more powerful and already has 1gb onboard.
Anyways, The 9500GT PCI is out:
http://db.jaton.com.tw/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84498KDLP-T1A
Good news for me, i am not moving on to pcie until PCI cards stop being made. My dell celeron at 3.06ghz is amazing and works amazing with my 2400hd , haven't tried my 8400 yet on it, but it should work even faster then the 2400hd. Nevertheless, um i am buying my secondary computer later this year, a gateway core quad and i plan to use a 9500gt pci on it.
PCI is not as powerful as pcie, but they sure enough get the job done with the right setup and with my setup, i am very happy
Anyways, The 9500GT PCI is out:
http://db.jaton.com.tw/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84498KDLP-T1A
Good news for me, i am not moving on to pcie until PCI cards stop being made. My dell celeron at 3.06ghz is amazing and works amazing with my 2400hd , haven't tried my 8400 yet on it, but it should work even faster then the 2400hd. Nevertheless, um i am buying my secondary computer later this year, a gateway core quad and i plan to use a 9500gt pci on it.
PCI is not as powerful as pcie, but they sure enough get the job done with the right setup and with my setup, i am very happy
LinkedKube
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Originally Posted by Tha General View Post
Please do not buy that. Why don't you just buy the 9400GT PCI 1GB its the same thing 2 gpu-s = 512mb + 1GB and plus the card is much much faster.
In fact you did say 2 gpu's if you read it again. The above information has been said at least 5-7 times in this thread alone, about your rig, blah blah blah, amazing. There's no way you're gonna find a core 2 quad w/o some kind of graphics card attachment and there's no way if you buy it later this year, the pci card you plan to use will be better than what comes with it.
I love how you give awful advise and then when someone corrects you on it you deny it right then and there although the information is available, then then jump back into how you're upgrading soon and blah blah blah. How many times are you gonna tell us you're upgrading in one thread numerous times. Give information that's incorrect, post videos of 7-14 fps as playable, when apparently you have a bad case of cadaracks. The average person will see any game that's slower in fps than a film reel as choppy. Which is 24fps. But once you factor in textures, and all the eye candy it gets higher than that.
I come to this thread hoping that someone actually needs help, and hopefully if I get there in time, they'll avoid your misinformed pocket of pci antics.
Please do not buy that. Why don't you just buy the 9400GT PCI 1GB its the same thing 2 gpu-s = 512mb + 1GB and plus the card is much much faster.
If you are talking to me i never said that, i said its no point in buying a jaton 6200 that has 512 MB DDR2 Per GPU 1GB Total Onboard when you can just buy a a sparkle 9400gt that is more powerful and already has 1gb onboard.
Anyways, The 9500GT PCI is out:
http://db.jaton.com.tw/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84498KDLP-T1A
Good news for me, i am not moving on to pcie until PCI cards stop being made. My dell celeron at 3.06ghz is amazing and works amazing with my 2400hd , haven't tried my 8400 yet on it, but it should work even faster then the 2400hd. Nevertheless, um i am buying my secondary computer later this year, a gateway core quad and i plan to use a 9500gt pci on it.
PCI is not as powerful as pcie, but they sure enough get the job done with the right setup and with my setup, i am very happy
In fact you did say 2 gpu's if you read it again. The above information has been said at least 5-7 times in this thread alone, about your rig, blah blah blah, amazing. There's no way you're gonna find a core 2 quad w/o some kind of graphics card attachment and there's no way if you buy it later this year, the pci card you plan to use will be better than what comes with it.
I love how you give awful advise and then when someone corrects you on it you deny it right then and there although the information is available, then then jump back into how you're upgrading soon and blah blah blah. How many times are you gonna tell us you're upgrading in one thread numerous times. Give information that's incorrect, post videos of 7-14 fps as playable, when apparently you have a bad case of cadaracks. The average person will see any game that's slower in fps than a film reel as choppy. Which is 24fps. But once you factor in textures, and all the eye candy it gets higher than that.
I come to this thread hoping that someone actually needs help, and hopefully if I get there in time, they'll avoid your misinformed pocket of pci antics.
LinkedKube
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He'll probably get run time errors before the game even loads, but idunno. Maybe at 20 fps not moving around yeah, but in his eyes, its playable, as long as you're just sitting still, and not actually playing because anything worse than 20ish fps is horrible.
Tha General
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You do know that i already have my new rig right?
Wait what? I plan to buy this later this year as my secondary computer(plan to use windows 2000 on it )
http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668233.php
And yes i plan to use a PCI card in it.
You do know i have my new rig already right?
I had it for about 2 weeks now and my 2400HD performs about 50% faster( then it did on my p3 )
With my 2400HD in Timeshift, 1280x1024 HDR and lighting on, at all medium settings, i get a solid 18-45fps.
My video channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/CrusaderU2K
So my plan, i will continue to use pci cards until they are officially stop being made, then i will move on to pcie for my quad core anyway. But i plan to use a pci card for the quad when i first game that computer.
teklord
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Congrats on the new rig General, I highly recommend a better GPU though, preferably one for your PCI-e slot. I'd stick a better processor in that machine General, you can put at least a dual core in LGA775 slot type. Anyone know if Sparkle is going to release their 9500GT? I don't see any specs on the Jaton version, so there is no way to compare it to the Sparkle one.
LinkedKube
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Tha General my point was that yet we have you here again, posting information that isnt true, in which you said, and i quoted, and rage also pointed out. There are a few other post where you were just clearly wrong, and when someone corrects you ignore that part of the post completely, instead of acknowledging that you were wrong, and you sometimes say things out of your crapper. Do what you want, just dont give advise, you barely even know your own "pci" components.
Tha General
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I just said it wrong, whats the big deal here lol. I was making a comment about buying that silly 1gb 6200 card, so i said he can buy the 9400gt with 1gb instead. Thats what i was trying to say.
And my advice about pci cards are correct. They are not bottlenecks and they can play your games just fine at decent settings with the right setup.
Thanks, but my 2400HD and 8400gs (bfg) is playing my games perfectly, no issues. Performance is amazing. Its no rush to go out and buy another card.
My Processor is just fine, no thanks. I don't build computers, i buy prebults and leave everything alone the way it its. All i buy to add to it is either hd, or video cards, or sound cards, thats it. My games are running great, no need to change anything as for processors are concern.
The sparkle 9500gt is already out , but not in the US.
teklord
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You can get PCI-e cards at the same price you are paying for your PCI cards. It is great that you are content with PCI performance IMO, but you should know that PCI-e cards will perform even better. Here are a few examples of what I mean.
Zotac 9800GT OC
Powercolor HD 4850
It also is not a big deal at all to put a new processor in your PC, it only takes a Google search to make sure you are doing it right.
Can you give us a hint as to what celebrity you are, General?
treetops
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General you remind me of the story of john henry.
http://www.americanfolklore.net/folktales/wv2.html
But your pci card will never beat the new pci-e machine thats why its folkl lore.
http://www.americanfolklore.net/folktales/wv2.html
But your pci card will never beat the new pci-e machine thats why its folkl lore.
teklord
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Sparkle 9400GT is the best technically right now, hopefully the 9500GT will be released which is even better.
They are awful, awful bottlenecks. In my experience, the PCI 8500GT performs about on par with the HD4350 PCI-E which costs a third of the price. Your advice is misleading and it has been repeatedly shown that these cards cannot play contemporary games (Oblivion, Fallout 3, Crysis, Call of Duty 4 to name a few) on playable framerates at even the lowest settings and resolutions.
Just keep in mind that your opinion is a tiny minority as to the definition of amazing performance.
I humbly suggest you learn to build your own systems, not only it can be cheaper, but you can better fine-tune a system for your needs and invest money in the aspects of your system you require most.
The 9500GT on PCI is a silly, silly thing and is horribly overpriced.
If anyone must buy a PCI video card, they should get the cheapest 8400GS you can find and that's it (Maybe the 8500GT, if the price is dropping). Paying three times more for an extra of, at most, 25-30% performance, is simply not worth it. And never, ever, ever, pay extra to get over 512Mb of memory on PCI cards (Or *ANY* low end card, for that matter), it is useless.
Tha General
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Well i know i said i will stick with pci cards until they officially die, but no telling , i mean things are looking um dead right now lol so i am sticking to my word and buying a Diamond PCIE card, either the 4670 or 4550 or something, i have some cards in mind. I will start to use PCIe cards for my Quad core when i buy it this year. So pretty much i will move on to pcie cards with my new rig later this year, um secondary rig. No worries
Dude, my intel celeron at 3.06ghz is perfect, i have no performance issues in gaming, haha believe me its fine.
Um no, but you can read this:
http://my.opera.com/u2kgames/about/
If you talking to me, well i am not using a p3 at 600mhz anymore, i am using a celeron D at 3.06ghz with yes pci cards, 8400gs 2400hd and soon 8600gt, so no my advice is not misleading, those games you mention should run very good with pci cards, depending on what setup you have.
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Prebuilt is just fine for me, never had any problems with them. Don't feel like building, just buy a rig and get done, 5 mins tops.
Let me dig back the thread. There's a benchmark here with a highly overclocked E5200 running the PCI 8500GT being unable to run any new game on playable settings.
Your advice is misleading, since the games I mention won't run anywhere approaching respectable (at the very least 24 fps on average, when playing and not staring at walls/floor/sky) on those PCI cards, even if you use a Core i7 rig to run them.
Tha General
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Well when i get my quad, i am going to start using PCIE cards. But with my celeron i am having no gaming trouble, but i have no tested out any of those games that you mean on my rig yet, but when i do so, i report back.
peace
peace
LinkedKube
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well films run at 24 fps, which are smooth of course, that's why anything lower than 24 fps is choppy.
FusilliJerry82
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General, why did you go with a Celeron D? That was budget in 2005. Where did you even manage to find one on sale and what did you pay?
I just don't get you. You can literally get a $300 PC in any computer store that kicks the **** out of any Celeron D. Yet you went out of your way to get something inferior even to the P4.
I just don't get you. You can literally get a $300 PC in any computer store that kicks the **** out of any Celeron D. Yet you went out of your way to get something inferior even to the P4.
Well, we tried. It is his money. He is quite free to waste it in any way he sees fit....
Tha General
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Well my celeron d is dead now , the PSU blew up and my Mb got affected, so its in the trash. Thats what i get for paying 40 bucks for it, but despite the 2005 image, the rig ran fast as hell, no issues in games whatsoever.
So in about 2 weeks, i am buying a acer celeron dual core pro, thats 2008. from best buy btw, no more pawn shop computer shopping lolz
So in about 2 weeks, i am buying a acer celeron dual core pro, thats 2008. from best buy btw, no more pawn shop computer shopping lolz
FusilliJerry82
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How do you know its bad? Did you try a new PSU, one greater than 90W?
I'm going to partially change my tune in that $40 isn't a terrible price for that machine.
Tha General
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Why did you mention the 90watts for? Thats in my P3. I don't know if you knew already, but that Celeron D was a whole different PC altogether. It was a used Dell Optiplex 210L with 220 watts , celeron D at 3.06ghz. And it was mess up already anyway, so despite the PSU blowing up , and my MB not working, before everything blew up, i kept getting crc errors, files corrupt, the whole pc was fast, but used and had problems. For the time i did use it, it was fast and gaming was cool.
So i am buying a new rig in about 2 weeks, as for now, i am back using my p3, with XP pro.
So i am buying a new rig in about 2 weeks, as for now, i am back using my p3, with XP pro.
Tha General
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Another new PCI card, Jaton 8400GS 1GB version this time lol
http://db.jaton.com.tw/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84558KQ-512A
http://db.jaton.com.tw/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84558KQ-512A
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