Storage Performance Roundup: Mechanical Disk Drives to PCIe 4.0 SSDs and Everything In...
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That worked quite well for you then? which motherboard have you got?
erickmendes
Posts: 1,136 +629
I'm happy with my M.2 1TB Intel. It's fast and big enough for all my games (its just a gaming rig). My only concern is that my mobo (Asrock B450 Pro4) have two M.2 slots, but only one is NVMe compatible.
godrilla
Posts: 1,365 +894
The problem on those OCZ drives were the controller and lack of cache, they would give you a boost straight away then the file transfer would fall off a cliff.
Karl Hungus
Posts: 87 +53
We're talking milliseconds here people. I use a WD Blue SN500 NVMe as my system drive in my desktop, a WD Blue M2 drive in my laptop, and have another MX500 Sata SSD in my desktop. I was using much older Kingston V300 SSDs in my desktop before (my son still has one as his main system drive) and the difference between all of them is barely noticeable. I'm more interested in price and reliability than spending twice as much to save 1ms of load time. It does help having an SSD for some games that can stutter when loading large texture files (DCS World), but this is more a compensation for low video RAM (in certain games - I.e. big improvement when I moved from a GTX 1060 3GB to my current 1070).
Bullwinkle M
Posts: 911 +817
If milliseconds were all that we are talking about, then all "you" really need is a Samsung Fit Plus thumb drive
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=samsung+fit+plus
After all, it boot to Windows 10 Workstation in 30 seconds or less on an ancient 35 watt Sandy Bridge
Need XP compatability as well?
An SLC compact flash card will boot to XP in 12 seconds on a 1st gen Atom computer
However, once you are up and in Windows, a compact flash card is painful to use
Your needs may not be My needs!
A crucial MX500 or a Western Digital equivalent may be fine for Windows 8 / 10 since it has compatible caching software to make it usable under "most" circumstances except a power loss
For reliable high performance and compatability, a Samsung 840 or 850 Pro is a much better option
No caching software required so it works fine with Windows XP as well as Windows 8 and 10
A Samsung 840 Pro will boot to Windows XP in 3 seconds flat on an ancient Nehalem dualcore, AND is actually usable once you are there
High enough random reads and writes make Windows 8 and 10 usable with a Samsung Fit Plus thumb drive but the small cache and slow write speed make it painful when moving files
The $8 thumb drive is "good enough" for Internet browsing or playing Counterstrike using Internal HD2000 graphics, but thats about it
No, milliseconds are not what we are talking about here
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Karl Hungus
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Yes, milliseconds IS what we're talking about here...the article is comparing speeds. It's a no-brainer at this point (2019) that SSDs are better than HDD and who said anything about thumb drives? For gaming and general computing, you don't need bomb-proof SSDs that run at the speed of light, unless you're into wasting cash. That was my (I thought) fairly obvious point.
Bullwinkle M
Posts: 911 +817
milliseconds saved during boot do not tell you how fast the drive is once windows has loaded and you begin work (or play)
The article is about storage performance and thumb drives are just as valid for being boot drives as are hard drives or M.2 drives
For gaming and general computing, thumb drives are fine if you choose them wisely instead of basing them on how fast they boot
That was my (I thought) fairly obvious point.
After all, It's a no-brainer at this point (2019) that SSDs are better than HDD and my Corsair GTX thumb drive is indeed an SSD
I seriously doubt your crucial or Western Digital SSD's are as fast as many of my thumb drives
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Malakai2k
Posts: 41 +11
I recently paired a 6TB 7200RPM IronWolf with an gen3 256GB M.2 NVME Samsung 970 EVO Plus and used StoreMI to tier them. The combined drive averages out at over 700MB/s read and write which is around 1.5 times faster than a SATA SSD and it is a 6TB volume. I'm pretty happy with that for sure. I use it for game storage only and I find that I only play maybe half a dozen games at any one time so their most commonly accessed files get promoted to the 256GB NVME drive and the other games that are hardly ever or never used stay put on the 7200RPM disk. If I start to play one of them more often then its files get promoted to the NVME drive automatically.
I've been doing this sort of stuff in the enterprise space for years and it is freaking cool to have access to it on my system at home.
I've been doing this sort of stuff in the enterprise space for years and it is freaking cool to have access to it on my system at home.
Roy Mepham
Posts: 24 +38
I don't like own brand bread, but I love fresh baked sour dough.
"You can get more than double the bread for the same price"
WHY WOULD I WANT THAT!
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,602 +5,232
This isn’t about bread... and STORAGE is different depending on what you use it for.
If you need the stuff on your hard drives to run quickly - you need SSDs... but very few people need that for more than a TB... for the vast majority, your OS, and applications/games can be fit on a 1tb drive (or less).
The majority of people who need more than 1-2tb of storage, on the other hand, don’t need most of that stuff to run quickly. This applies to photos/music/videos etc... backups...
Many of these people have huge collections of stuff (I have over 40TB myself), and would be considered crazy to put that all on SSDs. The difference between HDD and SSD for plain media is virtually nonexistent and yet the cost would be thousands of dollars more!
Wonderbread is fine for that
QuantumPhysics
Posts: 6,306 +7,258
This isn’t about bread... and STORAGE is different depending on what you use it for.
If you need the stuff on your hard drives to run quickly - you need SSDs... but very few people need that for more than a TB... for the vast majority, your OS, and applications/games can be fit on a 1tb drive (or less).
The majority of people who need more than 1-2tb of storage, on the other hand, don’t need most of that stuff to run quickly. This applies to photos/music/videos etc... backups...
Many of these people have huge collections of stuff (I have over 40TB myself), and would be considered crazy to put that all on SSDs. The difference between HDD and SSD for plain media is virtually nonexistent and yet the cost would be thousands of dollars more!
Wonderbread is fine for that
It's not that they'd be crazy... it's that it would be expensive.
4TB Samsung QVO are $450 each now. It would take 10 of them at least to fit your 40TB.
That's $4500 - or twice what Apple's charging for 8TB in their Mac Pro.
Thing is, an added benefit of going all SSD is fast data migration. You can easily move large amounts of data from one SSD to another flash drive or SSD.
I personally have 10TB of SSD using Crucial MX500 and Sandisk. It makes my gaming, 4K editing and everything else fast and silent.
QuantumPhysics
Posts: 6,306 +7,258
I've had nothing but luck with Crucial MX500 2TB drives.
I catch them at Microcenter on sale around $200 or less.
I just added another to a build for my cousin yesterday.
I have a total of 10TB and now he has a total of 4TB.
It makes gaming, 8K video editing and just about everything else fast and silent.
I catch them at Microcenter on sale around $200 or less.
I just added another to a build for my cousin yesterday.
I have a total of 10TB and now he has a total of 4TB.
It makes gaming, 8K video editing and just about everything else fast and silent.
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Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,602 +5,232
With 40tb of stuff, I’d need a lot more....and I’d run out of sata ports to connect them all - without requiring even more expensive add-on cards...
And at those prices, I could easily purchase a NAS that can redundantly backup everything and still have room for more than your setup...
I still have about 2tb in SSD (2 1tb ssd and 1 PCIe 400gb SSD) which leaves my system and apps running smoothly.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
Which would also require the use of more PCIe lanes. However that may not be a problem for most.
Joey Rakas
Posts: 40 +34
Was sad that I didn't see any Western Digital Raptors/Velociprators in tests Would be cool to see how they stack up in modern times, especially in Raid-0 Setup.
Would be cool to see how they stack up in modern times, especially in Raid-0 Setup.
fktech
Posts: 542 +147
So what's your practical speed, uses, value, with all SSDs?
QuantumPhysics
Posts: 6,306 +7,258
#1 I store STEAM games
#2 I edit 4K videos from SSD to SSD for my Youtube. Older videos I'll usually store on my NAS HDD.
I like having everything on SSD because it makes transfers faster in addition to the obvious speed benefits when using programs - and the silence of operation.
Dimitrios
Posts: 1,247 +1,025
I can confirm it's realistic. Same boat as you with a Phenom 965BE, 1TB HDD, 8GB DDR2 with AMD RX560 4GB and Windows 7 64bit. On ULTRA settings FARCRY5 was running 38-57 fps average being 46 and the game didn't hiccup or stutter during the long play troughs. No textures popping even when being in the helicopter. Mind you I was playing a 1080P a " poor mans resolution."
