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Suggestions for a new build

By Tank
Sep 13, 2009
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  1. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    they both overclock around the same plus th reson the 860 does better is the higher stock clock speed versus the 920 but overall the 920 is better imo.
  2. Ritwik7

    Ritwik7 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,288   +7

    Ok. The i7 build always looked a winner with the OP's budget. If it was a tight one the the i5 750 + P55 chipset would have been a better option. :)
  3. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    i do like the 860 over the 750 only because of the hyper threading which would help with rendering and encoding which i do a lot of. but i might buy an i5 750 for my wifes computer when tax time comes around.
  4. Tank

    Tank Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 37

    I apologize for what might seem like ignorance on my part, but you are suggesting I buy an OLDER CPU?? The 1366 is an older series.

    Klepto12 - I did find what you were talking about. The GA-EX58-UD5 you suggested does have 2 PCI Express slots, both running at 16X. The board I was going to run, the 1156 series, has one slot at 16X and the other at 8X. I see the error of my ways, you were right.

    Ok, how does THIS look?

    Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 motherboard
    Intel i7 920 CPU
    Wstrn. Dig. Black 640GB 32MB cache SATA HD X 4
    Creative Labs X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Pro soundcard
    EVGA GTX 295 Superclocked Edition X 2
    Ultra X3 1600 Watt modular PSU
    Corsair XMS3 12GB (6X2GB) DDR3 1600 RAM kit
    Thermaltake Armor + Black steel full tower case

    Also, Rage_3K_moiz, you said that PSU is not needed, it seems to me like it would be. A system this hungry, plus lights, fan controllers, water cooling...would 1000 watts handle that?
  5. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    What do you mean each GPU core is limited to 4x? This is not like an SLI implementation FYI; it is more like parallel processing on a single board. Each core processes a frame each. That theoretically provides double the performance, but driver support usually limits FPS boosts to around 40-50% at best.

    Again, I re-emphasize the fact that two GTX 295s are a colossal waste of cash. And why not buy two 1TB HDDs instead of getting four 640GB HDDs? Lesser power consumption, and not to mention the fact that two HDDs take up less space than four.

    The X-Fi Titanium is also unnecessary; the cheaper ASUS XONAR DX will be good enough IMO.

    As for the PSU, that kind of system will require a 1kW PSU for sure. However, make the changes suggested above, and you can drop down to a quality 750-850W PSU from Corsair, Seasonic, XFX, BFG or PC Power & Cooling.
  6. Tank

    Tank Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 37

    I went with 4 640's to gain more speed through a RAID setup.

    Even if the 2nd card is only used by 20%, it is still worth it to me, the only time I would feel that second card is a waste, is if it sat there doing absolutely zero work, 99% of the time. More and more new games will be geared towards working with SLI, and with a board that runs both cards at 16X, I would be in a great position for the next 3 or 4 years to come I imagine. Am I not right?
  7. Ritwik7

    Ritwik7 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,288   +7

    Intel now intends to keep the LGA 1366 as a high end option for enthusiasts only. The 1156 is going to be the mainstream flagship for Intel in the quad core segment.

    And I'd still agree with Rage. No need to get the second GTX 295 right now. Get it when there is some application that will require it. With your current setup you'll be safe enough to upgrade your GPU option later.
  8. Tank

    Tank Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 37

    I thank you for the suggestions, but I am going to continue with the 2nd card, that way I will have it, and I am ready, and...I mean...bragging rights have to count for something eh?
  9. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    tank why buy 4 640 drives and then raid them in raid 5 thats not going to increase performance as you might think two 1 tb western digital drives would be better in a raid zero but i think an SSD would be best for the os and apps to run on also i agree with rage and rit the second gtx 295 would be wasted you could really grab 3 gtx 275 for a tri sli setup and it would barely cost more than 1 gtx 295 and would be better put to use. Rage thanks for clearing that up about the pci-e bus and the gtx 295.
  10. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

  11. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    Nope. SLI is not something NVIDIA is bothered about as much as single-GPU performance. Their revenue comes mainly from single-GPU cards, and this will never change.

    SLI support has been piss-poor for the majority of games, compared to ATI CrossfireX support. Games are not made with SLI in mind; they are geared towards single-GPU cards because these are what the vast majority of gamers use. All new games have problems with dual-GPU setups that require patches to fix.

    And you do realize that in some cases, a second card actually degrades performance? In others, it simply has no effect. And again, the 16x+16x SLI hype has been around since the nForce4 days; it is exactly that: hype and nothing more. There is no proof that a 16x+16x setup has any advantages over a 8x+8x setup.

    Lastly, gaming systems get outdated extremely fast, due to the rapidly changing market for GPUs and CPUs. An i7 system today may be considered old tech as little as a year and a half from now.
     
  12. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    i was actually going to suggest a crossfire setup but he was set on nvidia. Rage if the pci-e 16 bus acnt be saturated then why did ati make the crosslink thing in the 4870 x2 because they said that card could actually saturate the pci-e bus and cause a bottleneck? is it called sideport?
  13. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    Hardware support for the Crossfire Sideport has been included in the HD 4870X2, but the feature is disabled by default, since perfomance gains are negligible, while power consumption is significantly increased. To put it simply, it is a 5Gbps peer-to-peer link between both GPUs for extra bandwidth. However, the card does not fully saturate whatever bandwidth the PCI-E slot provides, so the extra bandwidth from the Sideport link is never needed.
  14. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

    ahh i was just wondering i just know that i read somewhere that they only put the sideport feature in the 4870 x2 because it could possibly saturate the pci-e 16 bus
  15. Tank

    Tank Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 37

    Ok, well, I guess I have some serious considerations to make.

    The guy at work who SHOULD be a NASA scientist, brilliant guy, is the one I have been hearing a lot of my advice from. He tells me he has benchmarks for me that show the 1156 socket is better to go with than the 1366, more FPS.

    I think my problem is I am basing to much importance on opinion. I have been out of the loop for so long, I no longer have the facts on hand like I always used to, so I was just hoping a diehard PC guru could just more or less say, this is the best, buy this, and go that way, which more or less did happen, but then of course, I find myself questioning it like I thought might happen. Now I am going insane trying to take every moment of free time in my days to try and learn everything I have missed over the years.

    I decided on RAID 5 for SOME stability/security for the files. RAID 0 is the fastest yes, but at a reliability cost, depends on how often you back up your data I guess. Also, with the right RAID controller, you can gain full speed advantages for every hard drive you add. 4 is faster than 2 with the correct RAID controller to utilize it.

    Guess I might go with one card for right now then, I am still really on the fence here, I just want to look in that case window and see those 2 big power hungry monsters together, just to brag and be ready for the future, and some of the games out now DO support SLI, and were developed with it in mind, but very very few, I agree.
  16. Ritwik7

    Ritwik7 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,288   +7

    You see here Tank, ATI will be releasing their DX-11 cards very soon. Then that might become the standard for the future. Like Rage earlier mentioned, it's really difficult to be self-assured regarding a "future proof" config. The best way to think of it, as I've learned from red1776, is "forward compatible" in this era of rapid hardware development.

    As for being in doubt, that is but natural. I recently built my rig and I never really found any definitive answers. I just went with some excellent recommendations from here and my own intuition. And I'm not disappointed with my PC's performance. For you however, it is probably more difficult as you have a much larger budget to work with. Knowing you can get the best out there, it becomes doubly difficult assuring yourself as to which is actually the best.

    As for the LGA 1366 Vs LGA 1156 debate, the i7 860 (LGA 1156) is slightly faster (higher stock speed) and runs a little cooler. However the i7 920 (LGA 1366) can be overclocked pretty well to reach those speeds. Also LGA 1366 will support the new i9 CPUs to be released. As for x16 SLI support, Rage has already cleared that saying x16 would not see any significant gains over x8. As I also mentioned before, the LGA 1156 is geared more towards the mainstream quad-core market and the LGA 1366 will be reserved only for enthusiasts wanting extremely high end machines.

    Now, as you mentioned, and I quote "bragging rights", should sway you towards the LGA 1366 platform as you might want to get yourself a hexacore CPU sometime. Actually it's completely up to you. Invest intelligently and I guarantee that you won't be disappointed performance-wise. Not even with an AMD system. (But can't assure you of bragging rights. :))
  17. Ritwik7

    Ritwik7 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,288   +7

    IMO that is the best thing to do. Learn as much as you can. Study all the benchmarks available on the internet and then make a final decision on the system that suits you best.
  18. klepto12

    klepto12 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,364   +9

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