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I have 2 7870's in crossfire now that cost me $455 total.
So Titan buyers get to keep their milliseconds and I get to keep my $445.
Dave
Sorry. $545
I have 2 7870's in crossfire now that cost me $455 total.
So Titan buyers get to keep their milliseconds and I get to keep my $445.
Dave
4GB more actually. The 690 is a dual GPU with effectively 2GB VRAM.Plus the Titan has 2 more GB of GDDR5. Better for higher resolutions.
quote:Where was the GTX 690 in this comparison? You need Nvidia's flagship out there as well to be fair.
True that.4GB more actually. The 690 is a dual GPU with effectively 2GB VRAM.
If your buying a GTX Titan to play at a measly 1080p, your a fool.And as for titan, haha titan to be 16% faster than the 7970 GE at 1080p for 225% more price..."
Firstly, of the 27* site reviews that feature the Titan and a 7970GE, the averaged margin is 33.47% in favour of the Titan at 19x12/19x10, that number grows to 45.5% at 5760x1080.And as for titan, haha titan to be 16% faster than the 7970 GE at 1080p for 225% more price
Oops, you missed one - probably an accident since you obviously didn't intend to cherry pick every point in the post. Allow me...$499 (1 month from launch) GTX280 was 18% faster than $299 4870 ==> $11.11 for each 1% increase in performance
$499 GTX480 was 17% faster than $369 5870 ==> $7.65 for each 1% increase in performance
$499 GTX580 was 15% faster than $369 6970 ==> $8.67 for each 1% increase in performance
It's a pity that you didn't see the previous page in the Anandtech review that you actually linked to, you might have noticed this, which might well have gone some way to answering the question before you asked it:http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/4
Can you please explain what compute advantage the Titan has exactly for its $1000 price?
Titan, its compute performance, and the possibilities it unlocks is a very big deal for researchers and other professionals that need every last drop of compute performance that they can get, for as cheap as they can get it. This is why on the compute front Titan stands alone; in NVIDIA’s consumer product lineup there’s nothing like it, and even AMD’s Tahiti based cards (7970, etc), while potent, are very different from GK110/Kepler in a number of ways. Titan essentially writes its own ticket here.
Nvidia have that covered. The K6000 was all but presented at Nvidia's last CC, and if that's too rich, then it isn't a great hardship to add a GK107 based Quadro to your Titan...and voilà!...and of course the fascinating subject/ horrifying spectre of AMDs (near non-existent) pro drivers - here for example with Tahiti based FirePro getting schooled by Fermi based Quadro. Oops (BTW: Autodesk Maya etc. uses both double precision (calc) as well single precision (storage))....The only way you can justify the compute advantage here is if you use very specific compute programs that rely on CUDA. If you do and it really matters, you are probably a professional at which point you are rocking a Quadro
EVGA have two non-reference (waterblocked) cards due up, and if you Google MSI Titan Lightning you'll likely get a few links to look at.Conclusion: the card is ooh and aah
(I'm hoping to see the non-reference card of Titan, sadly nVidia don't allow that)
Probably because Nvidia don't actually want the Titan flying off the shelves and being permanently on back-order.
The rationale here is, that every graphics review pits the new card against current reference designs. At this point in time the HD 7970GE is top (single GPU) dog, and every published bar chart at every review site becomes a mini-advertisement for the card/vendor at the top of those charts....enter the Titan, reclaim the top spot for the balance of the year. High price ensures constant stock without the need to divert these GPUs from $4500 Tesla K20X, $3200 Tesla K20/K20C, or the likely more astronomically priced Quadro (K6000?) version.
As LNCPapa noted, the 690 is at the mercy of SLI profiles and game-by-game dual-GPU scaling
The Titan is already deemed a winner. A simple look at the amount of forum threads, discussion, review charts, and the run of benchmark records falling to Titan should be proof enough...even if the owners thread over at OCN I linked to in my previous post isn't.
The kind of people buying Titan aren't interested in performance-per-dollar, they are interested in performance. One Titan will fall to two GTX 670's, but two Titans ? or three ? or four ?
Titan is not for anyone who is using performance-per-dollar as a criteria for purchase. The same people buying the cards now (and many seem to be buying at least two), will likely sell their cards as soon as the more voltage unlock friendly MSI Titan Lightning and other non-reference cards make an appearance- at an even higher price point.
Yup, I was a multi 8800U owner also. Having largely skipped the GTX, the Ultra was a huge step up from the what I was running (X1800 XT and 7800GTX). The Titan is too rich for my blood atm, I'll wait and see how demanding the next series of games are (Metro: Last Light esp.)- by that time there should be some Titans showing up in the resell (once the non-reference cards make an impact) market and the "new adopter tax" might have passed.I remember paying $799 for a 8800 ultra and I may just jump all over this card for my new build.
One mystery partially solved then. But I hope you can understand the reasoning. A selection from my self-imposed 2 minute search limit:@ dividebyzero,
The post above is definitely not by me. I don't post here as a guest. It's interesting that you automatically have assumed I would dash out an essay regarding Titan.
Technically you're probably out by at least an order of magnitude, although the rabid AMD cheerleader contingent who treat us to a sermon of cherry-picked details are, thankfully, much fewer.Did it ever occur to you there are hundreds of members who read TechSpot?
I was wondering when someone was going to mention F@H. Even though I am no longer folding, I am still curios how well the titan will perform with the project.That's a non for profit project. If you are buying Titans for distributed computing DP projects or projects that work faster on NV like F@H, you are either committed to this cause for personal reasons, or are stacked with $. Who goes out and buys a $1000 GPU for F@H otherwise? If you are going to talk about performance in DC projects, then AMD's cards rake up more points in MilkyWay @ Home and things like CollatzConjecture than any NV card has a chance in F@H. So if you are chasing points in leader-boards, once again AMD cards are better. That means you have to be really committed to the F@H cause because it's not going to get you the most points for leader-boards.
I wasn't referring to this review on the GTX Titan either. I was referring to our upcoming Tomb Raider coverage and was also answering spyders question and trying to help him with the performance issue. I saw no evidence that Tessellation would help with crashing or performance based on our testing. What I did find as I mentioned previously is that DOF has a seriously negative impact on performance so that is where I would start if I was a GeForce owner.
Why? The Matrix Platinum has been discontinued. Why bother benching a card that you can't buy.Linus should have scrapped the Ares II and instead of it tested 2 HD7970 Platinum Matrix cards.
I'd say that is a pretty fair assumption. At $1K the Titan represents a reasonable middle ground (for professionals) between price and features. If a Tesla+Quadro or K6000 sits at ~$3500-4500, then the weighting is about right for that segment that don't require ECC or MPI, nor pro drivers. The Titan looks to be a push to get CUDA to a wider programming audience- hardly surprising since Nvidia would need an application base for Tegra5 and Denver.If NV cared SO much about the 20% of the 1%, why hasn't ANY 500-550mm2 flagship card up to now ship with full DP enabled? It seems to me they are enabling it to further justify the mark-up.
I'd say the number- for PC enthusiasts, would actually approach 0%. The people buying this card who aren't coding/pro users, are benchmarkers. The card is all about 3DMarkHow many people of the 1% top PC enthusiasts gamers will care? Another 10% maybe 20%?
Really? I see a thread full of indignation and exasperation at the price tag of this card...a trend that is duplicated on every review thread on the net. Here's an example of an AMD cheerleader equating buying Titan to depriving African children of life- posted around the same time as your posting:All I got out of this that when AMD raises prices, all hell breaks lose. When NV does it, there are 100+ reasons why it's justified
So, you wouldn't buy an AMD card in FP64 was constrained, but deride the apparent interest from others ?If AMD charged a lot of extra $ for DP, I wouldn't buy their cards either.....Apparently there is a huge demand from hardcore PC gamers for full DP performance all of a sudden
Sounds like you've been taking the ramblings of trolls to heart.the same people suggested it was great this was cut off from GK104 to make it more lean. At least the people who said GK104 was a great lean gaming card are sticking to their guns are saying how worthless the DP is for gamers
1. Unlikely that there are going to be that many cards in the consumer spaceAlso, apparently there is an army of loyal NV users who are willing to pay $1000 for a Titan GPU
Ah, then you replied to the wrong post, because my reply to him was in there.
No offense, but your computer does not represent every computer in the world running Tomb Raider, and in fact, I read in a forum where someone was experiencing crashes in Tomb Raider (2013) and someone suggested turning Tessellation off, and the dude came back and replied saying it worked and gave his thanks, so I passed it on only trying to help.
Moral of the story: Don't help anyone.