Thoughts on Vista/What is Your Problem With Vista

[Phantasm66]

From the comments I hear from my friends

What did they say? Have any of these people installed the final release of Vista and not a release candidate or beta?

 

[LinkedKube]

You cant run vista efficiently without a good video card and a large amount of ram. Go walk into Best Buy with vista on all the computers, the marketing department was too cheap to upgrade all the display models just to run an O.S. All the pc's look like cartoons from the 30's with a flip book.

 

[Phantasm66]

You cant run vista efficiently without a good video card and a large amount of ram.

I'd agree that 1GB of RAM is kind of needed for Vista and that 2GB is desireable, but that's a common spec for a modern machine. I don't think though, that a powerful graphics card is required, Vista can turn all the eye candy stuff off. Most machines have good enough graphics unless they are particularly old or cheap.

 

[LinkedKube]

128mb of video ram is becoming not enough to mulitask on vista, most machines do not have these specs. The fact still remains that 90% of pc purchased are not geared towards gaming, plus the average person don't know what they're buying from Dell, HP etc, so it leaves room for the manufacturer to skimp on specs, we all know its true. As of right now Vista IS NOT for everyone, point blank.

 

[halo71]

lol no.

From the comments I hear from my friends, I've just decided to steer clear for a little while.

Kinda proves what I was gonna say. I hear the same thing from my friends as well about how crappy Vista is. And none of them are even running it, but yet all they do is talk down about it! I have a new laptop with 2 gigs of ram, no "good video card" and it runs like a top! Its running Ultimate. And so far the ONLY problem I have had was running the Zune software. I even run Sim City 3000 on it just to see how it would run and it runs great! And this game is what 10 years old?!?

 

[cogsy]

Hi all I am running Vista Ultimate on one of my machine and find it to be good software , addmitedly my machine is a bit of a beast gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 with 2X 1gig of ram and 2X X1950 PRO Xtreme 512MB CrossFire ...and has 2.5terra bytes of HD space
For gaming my machine rates at 5.4

I run XP on a few other machines and still love XP also ...but you guys have got to at least give Vista a run before knocking it ...

 

[herr5407]

For the most part the requirements to run Vista are mostly what are driving me away from the product.

I'm in the middle of moving into a new place and have little money to be able to upgrade the current PC which runs Windows XP absolutely perfect to a PC that doesn't meet the recommended hardware requirements.

A friend of mine also bought a computer that well exceeded the recommended requirements and found it ran quite sluggish.

In the school I'm attending, they give you liscensed keys for pretty much all MS software (didn't even know), so I'm going to give Vista a try this week. Maybe I can finally shut my trap and praise instead of knock. Although I barely meet minimum RAM requirements, we'll see how it goes.

 

[LinkedKube]

The problem is that the requirements that they give you for vista to run it aren't the right ones, go go gadget microsoft, lol.

 

[Phantasm66]

Kinda proves what I was gonna say. I hear the same thing from my friends as well about how crappy Vista is. And none of them are even running it, but yet all they do is talk down about it! I have a new laptop with 2 gigs of ram, no "good video card" and it runs like a top! Its running Ultimate. And so far the ONLY problem I have had was running the Zune software. I even run Sim City 3000 on it just to see how it would run and it runs great! And this game is what 10 years old?!?

My experience exactly.

I am running Vista Ultimate on a Thinkpad T42 which is hardly state of the art and its running just fine.

 

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I take it that you're a Mac user Mictlantecuhtli

No, Linux at work and at home. My iBook's battery is dead so I don't use it that much at the moment.

Nevertheless, the usual Windows behaviour I mentioned has been bothering me since Windows 3.0 and apparently it's not going to go away in the future.

 

[Phantasm66]

128mb of video ram is becoming not enough to mulitask on vista.

Sorry, but I don't believe that is true. I don't exactly have state of the art graphics in my Thinkpad and multitasking under Vista is no problem. Additionally, Areo Glass and other effects can be turned off.

 

[LinkedKube]

You have a thinkpad, enough said, not much going on in that thing anyway. I'm referring to the majority of the enthusiast market. pc people with computers that actually have to do things

 

[karl_stade]

I'll wait for a service pack to come out.

Oh the joys of working in the industry, having to deal with Vista incompatibilities every day.

 

[Phantasm66]

UAC is there to protect the typical user from having malware installed without their knowledge. The reason it asks when YOU install something is because in XP you are always (unless you make a specific limited account) ran at elevated privliges, meaning anything gets installed without question. UAC is there to prevent this from happening. Do you complain when you have to su in linux to install something? Security comes at a price.

If you think Aero is what Vista is all about then that is your problem and it is probably pointless arguing anymore with you because you've got a mental block against Vista. There are tons of improvements in Vista. Now you can burn DVDs from explorer, better help, better search, media center enhancements (that didn't even exist outside of XP MCE), improved networking, and tons of other stuff that I'm missing because I don't want to write a damn press release statement here.

It was well reported nearly at nearly every tech site that games ran with lower fps in XP than in 98se. 98se is still regarded as the best gaming OS, in fact you'll likely get better performance in 98 in every game that will run on both 98 and XP, problem is most modern games won't install in 98 anymore. Same thing is/will happen with XP/Vista. It is just like console gaming, when consoles first come out they aren't utilized fully in games, later releases are more able to take advantage of what the system can do. For the first example that comes into my head, look at mario 1 vs mario 3 on NES or any early game vs Kirby's Adventure. Same hardware, world of difference.

You can run 98 just fine on 32 megs of RAM. Windows 2000 will run ok on 64 once it gets loaded. The jump to Vista shouldn' tbe suprising, the size of the jump really shouldn't be either, there have been huge technology advancements since XP. If you don't have more than 1 gig of RAM don't install Vista. Just like if you don't have more than 32 megs of RAM don't install XP. New Windows OSes have never ran better on older hardware than their previous OS.

You ran RC1, there was RC2, and then the real release, and then updates on top of that.

An excellent post.

 

[Phantasm66]

One of the things I don't like (aside from usual Windows behaviour) are slow file operations. It's not as slow as a couple of bytes a second, but certainly slower than the same operations in Linux or Server 2003.

Yes, I did notice that.

 

[Phantasm66]

You have a thinkpad, enough said, not much going on in that thing anyway. I'm referring to the majority of the enthusiast market. pc people with computers that actually have to do things

I don't understand your post. Why because I have a Thinkpad am I doing less with my machine than everyone else? Computers that actually have to do things...? I have all sorts of stuff going on constantly, including multiple virtual machines, etc. I still play games, etc. Laptop users don't just read e-mail and surf the net... I'm also running Vista on a multimedia server for video capture, etc and its all good there too.

As to the "majority of the enthusiast market" - I'd have expected them to embrace new technology, not find reasons to diss it. I remember people being lined up in a massive queue to be the first to buy Windows 95. Why the lukewarm reception for Vista, which is every bit as good an update for XP as 95 was for 3.1??

 

[halo71]

?

I don't understand that either. My Gateway is not the cheapest nor the most expensive model they make. And it for sure does not have any high-tech graphics and Vista looks awesome on it! With all effects on.

 

[Brandon]

I'm having a rather killer machine and the only problem I have is with games and watching video. The video driver is always restarting. Other than that, with the occasional blue screen due to old network driver(the card isn't support anymore).

I'm extremely sastified with Vista... going to go full into it.. just wondering how do I remove XP from dual boot? Xp is the master, Vista = slave... someone tell me how?

 

[raybay]

We have completed and followed up on 227 Windows VISTA Home Premium, and Windows VISTA Ultimate installs so far. We find VISTA superior to XP, 2000, ME, or any other. It is more trouble free. We long for Windows 98 simplicity, but of course that is unreasonable. We avoid Windows VISTA home basic, however.
The cost, however, is unconscionable. Just look at the cost of VISTA for 227 installs, and it gives you pause..

 

[karl_stade]

An excellent post.

At the store we recommend at least 512mb RAM to run XP properly, 1GB for Vista (Premium+).

I have worked with systems with a E6400 C2D CPU and 2GB RAM and Vista premium ran very smoothly. The bugs regarding drivers and software incompatibilities, with Vista, is a huge pain in the *** though.

In time, it will sort it's self out.

 

[ss11]

no not like vista !

I had no chose, bought a new computer, all I could get was Vista. Liked 95, 98, 2000, & XP. I do not understand how to do certain things on it, to different. Still have not figured out how to send things to my documemts.

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

It was well reported nearly at nearly every tech site that games ran with lower fps in XP than in 98se. 98se is still regarded as the best gaming OS, in fact you'll likely get better performance in 98 in every game that will run on both 98 and XP.

I found the opposite true. I have a dual boot system with 98 and XP and games are jerky/laggy on 98 but run very smooth on XP. This is true of games like PoP:WW and NFS: MW.

 

[LinkedKube]

Didnt say Vista was good. I still have my copy. Its just no good for the majority of us. Unstable drivers, and still a lot of loop holes. I'm actually waiting for the reports to come in "On 11 o clock news, 14 year old breaks into NASA's database and launches test rockets into outerspace" about the security. Microsoft tried to put security in it, but in actuality that thing is more insecure that windows 95. Its good to know that there are a couple Vista fan boys here though, will keep threads interesting. Cheers

 

[Tedster]

I was able to purchase Vista Ultimate at COMPUSA that was going out of business in Tacoma, WA mall for $159. I had planned to install it on my K7N2 MSI board when I got back from Iraq in the fall, however, I have just found out Vista doesn't work well with NFORCE2 boards... but that's ok, my older system is getting a little longer in the tooth...

Knowing that eventually we're all going to have to upgrade when M$ cuts off support for XP, at least I will still have a sealed copy.

I played with Vista home on some display computers at the Ft. Lewis PX and I wasn't impressed as I though I would. Yeah, the graphics are a little smoother, but I didn't see anything that would be a prime motivator to switch from XP. I bought ultimate the other day because I couldn't pass up a fire sale. I knew I couldn't get a better price.

 

[halo71]

"Vista fan boys"?? You got that all wrong! Believe me, IF I could have gotten XP on my new laptop I would have! So how long have you been running Vista?