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Ubuntu releases 12.04 Precise Pangolin LTS Linux

By Leeky
Apr 27, 2012
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  1. Popular Linux distribution Ubuntu announced the immediate availability of their latest release yesterday, bringing with it Unity and its file searching tool HUD to enterprise users as part of the...

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  2. NTAPRO

    NTAPRO TS Enthusiast Posts: 811   +91

    Wow, I thought it was going to be released on the 29th...
     
  3. The only thing holding me back from installing Linux as my main OS is the installation and performance of Windows games. Wine and PlayonLinux are simply just not built for the faint of heart and even after all these years, there are too many issues to overcome. Probably one of those forever unfinished projects. Such a shame that an undeniably superior OS has to suffer this loss. :(
     
  4. As soon as Valve officially releases Steam for Linux, I'll install Ubuntu. However, it be release 12.10 or 13.04 by that time.
     
  5. Games and Gaming should not be the reason to avoid Ubuntu. That is what gaming consoles are for. Besides Ubuntu supports dual booting so you can still boot windows when you want to be unproductive. My system boots Ubuntu 12.04 and Windows XP (although I rarely boot it) without a problem. And since Ubuntu is free the only excuse you really have for not checking it out is lack of technical skills to configure it, or the time and patience to learn them.
     
  6. "The only thing holding me back from installing Linux as my main OS is the installation and performance of Windows games"

    dual boot. run windoze to play games and ubuntu to use your computer.
     
  7. Gaming for Ubuntu is increasing. Steam is making support for it, the Software Center's database of games is expanding and larger sites like dotdeb.com keep getting even larger.
     
  8. fraggerron

    fraggerron TS Rookie

    what about dual boot to windows 7 and on a 2nd hd
     
  9. Siavash

    Siavash TS Member Posts: 48   +12

    It's good news to hear gaming is increasing on Linux, this will probably make hardware manufacturers to provide better Linux support and improvements to the open source drivers.
     
  10. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +91

    Just like "peace" has many definitions to different people, so does "superiority" in this context.

    I'd hardly call an OS that can't even support my router "superior." Or an OS that requires hours and hours of forum-digging to, maybe, find a workaround for such hardware.

    Essentially, superior to me is, well, it works out of the box with whatever I throw at it, and does what I need it to do with as minimal effort as possible. Linux? Hardly.

    (Alternatively, it's sad to think that the Linux kernel being known for its wide hardware compatibility and all, is being diminished in this very category due OEMs' complete negligence [or the low ROI, who am I kidding?] of the open-source model.)
     
  11. How in gods name is a router not supported, the only interface a PC and router should have is through the TCP/IP stack and any "router" that requires more is a piece of cr@p.
     
     
  12. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,082   +41

    installed this new version. i got errors after install and no view of the cursor.

    radeon hd5830
     
  13. ^^ Maybe check if your download/iso integrity is correct. Post install errors generally happen when something went wrong on the user side.
     
  14. I have to agree with Lawfer here. Although Linux is improving it often does not "just work" out of the box. There are still hardware compatibility issues on many systems, particularly with things like ALPS touchpads and certain routers. There is still no official support for Nvidia Optimus which is a real pain to set up and even then has limited usability.
    I can't speak for Ubuntu 12.04, having not tested it yet but I can verify that pretty much every recent Linux distribution is still riddled with problems. I actually tested Kubuntu just last night and had several errors on the first boot and immediately after that crashed during system update.
    For a while I also believed that Linux was a superior OS but after my recent slew of testing, in my opinion it still has a very long way to go. A few years ago I would have given more points to Linux but at the moment I truly believe that Windows 7 is far superior.
     
  15. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,082   +41

    yea, typically things are user errors....

    Apparently there is also some problem with linux and the hd5830
     
  16. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +91

    You're argument is flawed. It's widely known Linux still has a long way to go to reach Windows-like peripheral compatibility. And don't get me started with hardware that require proprietary drivers to work properly.
     
  17. I also agree with lawfer. I play a lot of games on the Pogo website. Not one single flavor of Linux (I've tried around 9), with the exception of Zorin (and even though Zorin will play a game, there is no sound), will play those games out of the box. Firefox crashes every single time and in every flavor of Linux when I attempt to play a game. Opera, Midori, Sea Monkey, et al, do not work either. I can only assume it is some sort of Java issue. Want to install a new version of Java outside of Synaptic? One that the browser will access? Good luck following instructions right from the Java site that tell you to install it in the directory you want. Well, what directory would that be and where is it? Lawfer is correct in complaining about digging for hour after hour through forum after forum only to come up with a set set of incredibly long and ridiculously convoluted instructions on how to solve a problem. I had to laugh when one "solution" contained 67 separate lines of terminal-based instructions!

    Running Linux is certainly not like running Windows. And yes, you need a certain level of expertise to deal with it. And yes, Linux is a magnificent achievement and yes, it is free. But even with all the complaints about Windows (and notice I didn't use the oh-so-clever and tired spelling, Windoze), you have to appreciate how simple it is to install software. Solving a Linux problem is not for the feint of heart and will turn you prematurely grey.
     
  18. Indeed, windows is really easy to use... c'mon, don't make me laugh! Just try to do a lan with winxp and win7! Or what about certain hardware that it used to work under windowsxp and it does not under windows 7 (canon scanner)! Something that never happens at linux.
    At least, under linux, when you get a problem there is almost always a way to resolve it. In windows... better forget it. Once you get used to work with linux, only then you'll realize how slow windows make you work!
    Oh, and almost forgot. About installing software. Just tell me, how difficult is to open synaptic manager, select the program you want and click "Install" :eek: Plus, if you want to get best performance for your hardware, you can always download the source, compile it and install it.
    Oooh, another (last) thing. I've never seen in my life an OS to give you an update which tell you:"If you install it your computer may not start"... WHAT?!?!?!?! :mad: And it happened on two of my computers! Only on windows can happen this thing! And people pay for this OS! Get serious!
     
  19. Phraun

    Phraun TS Rookie Posts: 35

    When I have to edit driver source code to get my wifi adapter to work, that's when any claim to usability goes out the window. I haven't given up on it entirely, but every time I've tried to use Linux there's been at least one show-stopping hardware driver issue that was nigh-on insurmountable. It's probably due to my proclivity for running extremely strange hardware configurations, but rarely in Windows has a fix been required beyond a basic registry hack or cfg edit. Certainly I've never had to break out a c++ compiler and read through API references to fix anything.
     
  20. Usability in Windows is crap. An upgrade from XP to W7 requires days of work, searching for your applications on the net, juggling with software dvd's, registering again and again, installing 3rd party antivirus, crapcleaner, 3rd party firewall, deinstalling or disabling crappy built in features, setting up everything in the control panel, AND the occasional trouble with hardware drivers in Windows is more common than on Ubuntu (just did an upgrade of my W7 NVidia drivers which completely hosed my system.). If you call that great usability you must be joking. Setting up Ubuntu otoh takes mostly two hours, all the apps come with it, you can cearch in a central app database, no need for cleaners or antivirus bloatware, firewall is already set up, and if you do an upgrade your user setttings are still there. I'm using Linux for 12 years now and honestly I always had more fixing and configuring to do on Windows than on Ubuntu.
     
  21. Really? You would upgrade from XP to 7? Why would you even bother? It's not rocket science to backup your data and format the hard drive. There must be a million posts all over the internet saying that a fresh install is preferable to doing an upgrade. Last time I checked Windows firewall is already setup after a fresh install (inorightlolwut) and is quite adequate protection alongside an antivirus unless you're a complete muppet and click on any files or links that you encounter without a second thought.

    Also all the shouting about "but it's free!!" - if you take a look around, there's almost as much free software for windows these days as there is for Linux.

    But all that is irrelevant. Until the day comes when I can play the latest and greatest games on Linux (Tux racing doesn't quite cut it I'm afraid) there will always be a Windows partition on my system.
     
  22. Still trying to figure out what I'm going to do when 11.04 goes off support.... Don't really like unity or gnome 3.... may have to switch to xfce. Mint is ok, but it still seems a bit buggy.
     
  23. Whereas in windows I suppose you don't use any proprietary driver at all...?
     
  24. Everyone always has their horror stories about this OS or that OS. I've been involved with computers for 45 years and have never seen an OS upgrade tell me that my computer might not start. And I've done about a million OS upgrades. I think you are getting confused when the OS tells you to reboot after an upgrade.

    Opening up Synaptic and choosing software is indeed easy. What happens though when the installed software doesn't do what you need it to do, or what you need is not in Synaptic? Poke around trying to find the source code and download it and then finding a compiler and downloading that? And then dealing with all the problems that will invariably come from trying to compile source code? Are you kidding?

    An XP to W7 upgrade requires a clean install. Always has. And one of the other posters is correct in saying that modifying source code then recompiling the whole mess is beyond the scope of many users.

    Like I said in my original post, Linux is not Windows and requires a certain level of expertise when you run into problems. I stand by my assertion that having to poke around for hours through forum after forum, for what many times is an overly complex, ridiculously long fix is nuts. The problem with these overly long fixes is that invariably one or several of the instructions don't work. That leads you to poke around in forum after forum trying to find a fix to the fix to the fix, if you get my drift.

    Don't get me wrong. I love what the open-source community does. But face it, this is a Windows world. Windows even runs the International Space Station computers. Given the large variety of Linux flavors out there, only Zorin comes close to mimicking Windows. Even it has a problem with embedded Java software. Trying to fix it exposes you to the very issue about which I first complained. Rooting around for hour after hour through forum after forum for an answer that many times creates additional problems. It's like an endless loop.
     
  25. Seriously.. don't ever compare linux with windows OS anymore, people who use their computer/s daily in windows does end up on an mental hospital sooner or later, windows should be named game os cause there is the only drawback in linux, but that day when developers open their eyes a little bit more and make the games to run 100% with opengl / native linux executable i will celebrate by sending my leavings to bill gates himself, windows is for gamers and people who can't figure out what 1+1 actually is (in binary it's 3, don't beleive me.. look it up ;) ) linux is for people who actually wants to have an computer and learn something about it, don't complain on linux os if you don't want to learn something about computers, install windows, play games and shut up..
     
  26. Ah, this is getting into a fanboys debate, Windows and Linux fans,

    Just use OS you feel it suitable for you, you like it, use it, you don't, then don't use :)

    Another option: dual boot is always there,
     
  27. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,727   +888

    Well, I looked it up and you're not going to like what I found. There is no "3" in binary math, just zeros and ones. So, that would make "1 + 1, actually 01! ( No ones, and one 2)
    You know, it's disturbing to run across posts such as this one. You can't spell, you don't understand binary math, nor the correct tenses of English verbs, yet you think we should, "shut up" because you're working under the delusional impression that what you have to say matters. Guess again.
     


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