Vinyl outsells CDs for the first time in 35 years with 41 million records sold in 2022

Honestly, it just sounds like people were bored during the pandemic and went a little bit hipster...

I can't speak for others, but I've never stopped buying vinyl since I was a teenager (now in my mid 40's). If there was an option to get a copy of something I liked on vinyl and I had the funds at the time, I'd buy it just to have it, even if I already owned it on CD/Cassette.

Unrelated to above, but in general to the article, for a while there was a pretty big decline in artists/labels offering a copy of an album on vinyl particularly shortly after CD's really caught on and before online storefronts for physical music media really became big. If they did it was limited press runs, which still tends to be the trend now as well, limited runs between 100-2500 or so pressings.
Between sites like Bandcamp becoming big and labels/artists noticing that vinyl still had small but steady sales, I think they realized it'd just make sense as another potential revenue stream to being offering as many options for purchase as possible. It's a win for them and a win for consumers that just liked having a larger scale physical media format for whatever reason.
 
Most people's audio systems are incapable of producing better sound than what is on a CD, but CD is still a good option for people who want to own a physical copy.

Also depends on the music. I have some Mozart on DSD, it is unquestionably superior to any other format I've had any of his work on. It's still inferior to a live performance with skilled musicians of course, especially anything with violins, but it's absolutely the closest in terms of fidelity in a recorded format I've listened to.

However, most popular music is quite compressed and produced, such that I can't actually tell the difference between most formats---I can tell between 96/128 bit and higher sure, but around 256 and above I don't think I can for most of it. However even older rock music you can tell the difference between FLAC and MP3, but I don't think I can tell between FLAC and SACD, and truth be told it's really not worth the price at that point, DSD is too expensive.

Audiophile is mostly snake oil. For accuracy for the most part once you get around $100 or so for a good DAC, you're set. Some people like tubes but that colors audio and sure you can spend a lot more with that, and I have spent well in the four figure range, but I consider it mostly wasted, I now use a simple DAC (Topping D50s) that ASR measurements looked very good for and I'm happy with.

I will say I think electrostat are the best speakers/headphones, and I've used them briefly, but the expense and maintenance is too much for that. Perhaps if I become very wealthy one day I'd splurge a bit, but I kind of doubt that will happen, those things cost in the tens of thousands from what I'd seen previously. Still, it can be quite pleasant to listen to orchestral/instrumental pieces in very high quality sometimes. Waaaay cheaper just to attend a concert though, and still better, any major city will have ample opportunities for that.
 
All vinyl being pressed now is mastered from a digital copy. So you're just playing back a digital file via an analog format.
That's not entirely true. Although I can't cite sources, I believe some producers have gone back to analog reel to reel tape machines. Those studio quality machines, IIRC, are 8 track and run at 15 inches per second. I believe the tape width is 2 inches on 10 1/2" reels.

If by any chance any of this peaks your curiosity, just use any of the terms I have in bold for search.

You are correct though, I doubt any of the major studios have gone down this rabbit hole. Today's engineers are too invested in DAWs, auto tune, and loud recordings.
 
Waaaay cheaper just to attend a concert though, and still better, any major city will have ample opportunities for that.
That would depend on the particular concert you intend to attend. Most of the "nostalgia artists", (prog rockers and such), are playing stadium venues. The result is, you have to watch them "on TV" anyway..

I doubt anything less than a couple lines of meth and two pots of coffee, would give me the ambition to attend anything say like, "The Who" at Citizens Bank Park. Nor would my aging prostate allow me to sit through it. It's often said, "you can't buy beer, you can only rent it". Coffee falls into that category as well. Especially for an "elder statesman" :laughing::rolleyes: such as myself.

Better to hope for the Blu-ray. After all, those players do have a "pause button", which allows for the occasional bathroom break without missing anything ;)
 
The main problem I have noticed with CD's, DVD's, etc. is they seem to push the range of sound closer together, thus eliminating how wide a range vinyl can support. I have a large collect of both and while the old records have their "pops & fizzes" the range is superior. The day somebody comes up with a system that supports both, it will be a godsend ..
There's an old saying about bad, accident prone, drivers. Calling them, "a loose nut between the steering wheel and the seat". This holds even more true for recording engineers, who tend to be, "the loose nut between the seat and the console.

Vinyl has a maximum of about 65 Db of signal to noise ratio. Whereas CD has > 90 Db. Older stuff tends to be un-listenable to me, because of the excess compression applied to jamb it on a vinyl disc. Older stuff is also notorious to me for sounding "distant".

The best recordings I've heard or own, came out of Nashville during the 90's The combination of more sparsely instrumented bands, and less compression give amazingly lifelike sound to such epic hits as Martina McBride's, "Independence Day".
here's a beautiful, "rock anthem", performed by "Xanndria".
Note that the singer's vocal perspective recedes during the chorus, and all you get from the rest of the band is distortion, crosstalk, and excess compression. (They're even to loud to fit in a CD's bandwidth, and it becomes an aural mess).

"Hip, hip, hooray fot vinyl", the Rice Krispies of audio reproduction. Kellogg's mascots, "Snap, Crackle, and Pop", don't have anything on an overplayed LP.

And BTW, Shure discontinued the V15 III years ago, and recently discontinued cartridge production altogether. So, what are the hipsters of today bound and determined to overpay for in the cartridge market today?.
 
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If I told you I could offer you a music source with a noise floor only 60 dB down on a good day, with even less dynamic range than that, with only 30 dB of stereo separation, and with considerable harmonic distortion, would you be interested? Well, that's vinyl. It does not sound better. It sounds different, and it is nostalgic, and some people like that. However, I will buy vinyl before I'll EVER pay for a monthly subscription service. I'm fine with digital, but I either own a copy of it, DRM free, or I'll do without.


As I don't have vinyl setup I can't comment what Joe Blogs with a average vinyl and basic rega player - noise floor would be - however I have heard some vinyl rips from super skilled rippers with good vinyl and needles and arms etc - and the noise floor is excellent - and have a sweet sound .
Those rippers were purists - no touch ups - even as a kid I thought hitting the dolby button on a cassette player was a load of crap - just wiped out the dynamic range - was horrible.

Annoyed me music companies used cheap tapes of low quality ,they overused stampers - poor quality thin vinyl etc . My CDs to tape recordings on HQ blank tapes did have a low floor .

My take is some CDs are great , some vinyls are great - that redbook basically equals 192/48 or whatever if the master is the same. Ie the master is the most important

In my late fifties - ears tested 10 years younger - so can't year close to 22 000 hertz
 
That's not entirely true. Although I can't cite sources, I believe some producers have gone back to analog reel to reel tape machines. Those studio quality machines, IIRC, are 8 track and run at 15 inches per second. I believe the tape width is 2 inches on 10 1/2" reels.

If by any chance any of this peaks your curiosity, just use any of the terms I have in bold for search.

You are correct though, I doubt any of the major studios have gone down this rabbit hole. Today's engineers are too invested in DAWs, auto tune, and loud recordings.

No, you're right here, and thanks for calling my over generalizing out (really). I should have been a bit more careful and stated that the vast majority of pressings now are done from digital masters. Though indeed I do recall having read that there are a few studios that have gone back to mastering on reel to reel but it's far from the common practice now.

IIRC, when Trent decided to release The Fragile on vinyl copy that was specifically from analog master tapes, and made it a point to state as such. I *think* most places that press from an analog master will advise as such, as it does tend to be a big marketing and selling point.

With all that in mind, I'll update my phrasing to "in general most vinyls pressed now are from digital masters unless otherwise noted."
 
Annoyed me music companies used cheap tapes of low quality ,they overused stampers - poor quality thin vinyl etc . My CDs to tape recordings on HQ blank tapes did have a low floor .
You're quite right, the tapes in prerecorded tapes was trash. That said, if wasn't for high quality tape, the cassette tape speed of 1 7/8" per second was well, lousy.

As for this:
In my late fifties - ears tested 10 years younger - so can't year close to 22 000 hertz
Male and female average hearing ranges have always differed. Much above 18 Khz has always been absent in males above the age of 20 (give or take). Females retain higher frequency registers later in life. However, men have better eyesight.

I've joked about this for decades opining, "that's so men can 'see game' better for hunting purposes", while women can, "hear babies cry better".

While this may sound "sexist" by today's standards, a recent study by university students has arrived at the same conclusion, albeit 40 years later.
 
Why have the RIAA combined LPs and EPs? That makes me suspicious - EPs were 7" or 12" singles in my day. nb The RIAA defines an EP as containing between three and five tracks or running less than 30 minutes - that's a single in my book.
Well no. Maybe that's a single in your book, but not in the book of any old timer like myself.

A "single" was one of those relics with the big a** hole in it, that turned at 45 rpm. They (usually) consisted of the "hit", with some trash the "one hit wonder band", slapped together so the "B side", wouldn't be blank.-
 
I almost never used the direct drive Techincs turntable then so I sold it many years ago when Mp3 was king.
I still have My Technics SL-1401 Quartz locker. Shamefully, I'm using the lid to support two Lava Lamps and some CDs at present.

I also have a double tray TDK standalone CD recorder. (I'll have to check that one day to see if it still works). It takes special "music CDs" The copyright fine was built into their price at the onset.

I keep meaning to transfer my LPs to CDs. Meh, I'll get around to it one day.
 
And in a CD-sized case, there is still room enough for 'some' artwork.
Well, CDs do usually have the original cover art. That being said, a decent photo scanner and Photoshop, will allow you to bring it up acceptably to the point you can use it as desktop wallpaper.

On a 27" monitor, that's only a 2x linear and 4x area enlargement. Yeah, you might have to touch it up and sharpen it a bit. But, so what?
 
LP albums have their charm, from the artwork to their liner notes.

That being said, well-mastered CD's have far superior frequency response and dynamic range. There were enough bits-per-second that I don't believe any information was ever "lost". They just were so much cleaner (aka no background noise from a needle dragging across vinyl) that they were dubbed as sounding cold. Plus, I've read that vinyl records were purposely engineered to be a bit heavy in the mid-bass region, to produce a 'warmer" sound. Truth is, CD's are much more accurate, whether that pleases the ear or not.

I recently bought and downloaded a 24-bit recording that blows my mind.
 
I bet most here haven't actually heard a record let alone played on good equipment. It definately ISN'T an inferior experience.

This "fad" has been going for many many years, it's just that Millennials just have no idea or appreciation for records and sadly if they actually play one it's on a Crosley piece of rubbish which is like streaming music on a 1950's mono earpiece.
Aye but the technical/scientific data is easy to understand.

Pound for pound, the vinyl is far behind, and not just because it's analog, but also precisely because of the way it operates. Unfortunately, it's rarely pound for pound, as everything is mastered too "hot", creating distortion, but digital distortion makes things sound worse and analog distortion makes things sound better.

Fact is, what the audiophiles are proving is that humans prefer distortion over pristine signals, as long as the distortion is pleasant. Plus additional pleasant distortions in the audio chain from vacuum tubes, too.
 
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CD's are digital. They are just a physical copy of digital. As opposed to vinyl, which is analog and continuous. CD's are sampled and require a DAC to create the analog signal from the data, just like streaming or mp3. The DAC does filtering to smooth the gaps between samples. Different DAC's will produce different results and sound a little different, unlike vinyl because it's already analog. A lot of people think vinyl is more pure because of this. But I suspect most people buying vinyl are just doing it because they want to be hipsters.

Yea by digital I meant streaming/mp3s etc
 
I recently bought and downloaded a 24-bit recording that blows my mind.

"... So, 24bit does add more 'resolution' compared to 16bit but this added resolution doesn't mean higher quality, it just means we can encode a larger dynamic range. This is the misunderstanding made by many. There are no extra magical properties, nothing which the science does not understand or cannot measure. The only difference between 16bit and 24bit is 48dB of dynamic range (8bits x 6dB = 48dB) and nothing else. This is not a question for interpretation or opinion, it is the provable, undisputed logical mathematics which underpins the very existence of digital audio.... "
 
CD's are digital. They are just a physical copy of digital. As opposed to vinyl, which is analog and continuous. CD's are sampled and require a DAC to create the analog signal from the data, just like streaming or mp3. The DAC does filtering to smooth the gaps between samples. Different DAC's will produce different results and sound a little different, unlike vinyl because it's already analog. A lot of people think vinyl is more pure because of this. But I suspect most people buying vinyl are just doing it because they want to be hipsters.
People are familiar with Xiph right?
The guys behind the Ogg Vorbis and Opus codecs.


"...Sampling theory is often unintuitive without a signal processing background. It's not surprising most people, even brilliant PhDs in other fields, routinely misunderstand it. It's also not surprising many people don't even realize they have it wrong.

The most common misconception is that sampling is fundamentally rough and lossy. A sampled signal is often depicted as a jagged, hard-cornered stair-step facsimile of the original perfectly smooth waveform. If this is how you envision sampling working, you may believe that the faster the sampling rate (and more bits per sample), the finer the stair-step and the closer the approximation will be. The digital signal would sound closer and closer to the original analog signal as sampling rate approaches infinity.

It might appear that a sampled signal represents higher frequency analog waveforms badly. Or, that as audio frequency increases, the sampled quality falls and frequency response falls off, or becomes sensitive to input phase.

Looks are deceiving. These beliefs are incorrect!

All signals with content entirely below the Nyquist frequency (half the sampling rate) are captured perfectly and completely by sampling; an infinite sampling rate is not required. Sampling doesn't affect frequency response or phase. The analog signal can be reconstructed losslessly, smoothly, and with the exact timing of the original analog signal.

So the math is ideal, but what of real world complications? The most notorious is the band-limiting requirement. Signals with content over the Nyquist frequency must be lowpassed before sampling to avoid aliasing distortion; this analog lowpass is the infamous antialiasing filter. Antialiasing can't be ideal in practice, but modern techniques bring it very close. ...and with that we come to oversampling..."

In the footnotes:
"[The Sampling Theorem] hasn't been invented to explain how digital audio works, it's the other way around. Digital Audio was invented from the theorem, if you don't believe the theorem then you can't believe in digital audio either!!"

Also see:

"...So where'd the stairsteps go? It's a trick question; they were never there. Drawing a digital waveform as a stairstep was wrong to begin with.

A stairstep is a continuous-time function. It's jagged, and it's piecewise, but it has a defined value at every point in time. A sampled signal is entirely different. It's discrete-time; it's only got a value right at each instantaneous sample point and it's undefined, there is no value at all, everywhere between. A discrete-time signal is properly drawn as a lollipop graph. The continuous, analog counterpart of a digital signal passes smoothly through each sample point, and that's just as true for high frequencies as it is for low.

The interesting and non-obvious bit is that there's only one bandlimited signal that passes exactly through each sample point; it's a unique solution. If you sample a bandlimited signal and then convert it back, the original input is also the only possible output. A signal that differs even minutely from the original includes frequency content at or beyond Nyquist, breaks the bandlimiting requirement and isn't a valid solution.

So how did everyone get confused and start thinking of digital signals as stairsteps? I can think of two good reasons..."
 
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"... So, 24bit does add more 'resolution' compared to 16bit but this added resolution doesn't mean higher quality, it just means we can encode a larger dynamic range. This is the misunderstanding made by many. There are no extra magical properties, nothing which the science does not understand or cannot measure. The only difference between 16bit and 24bit is 48dB of dynamic range (8bits x 6dB = 48dB) and nothing else. This is not a question for interpretation or opinion, it is the provable, undisputed logical mathematics which underpins the very existence of digital audio.... "
Well I would argue that an additional 48dB of dynamic range is quite a logical argument for better sound quality.
 
CDs are pointless. Either get better digital quality or get it analog. CDs really shouldn't even exist anymore.

DSD didn't really take off but that's your super hi-res digital format if you wanted it.
HiRes is a placebo. Every specification of CDs is well beyond the ability of any living human to hear = noise floor, frequency response, dynamic range, harmonic and intermodulation distortion, etc. This has been proven repeatedly in double-blind A/B testing. No one can hear any difference between a CD and a DSD.
 
There is a company in Nashville that presses vinyl and they have gone from one to several dozen presses .... and simply cannot keep any stock on hand because of demand. The main problem I have noticed with CD's, DVD's, etc. is they seem to push the range of sound closer together, thus eliminating how wide a range vinyl can support. I have a large collect of both and while the old records have their "pops & fizzes" the range is superior. The day somebody comes up with a system that supports both, it will be a godsend .....
The dynamic range of CDs is 90 dB. It's 60 dB for vinyl on a good day. That's science. That said, a lot of CD recording are dynamically compressed by the studio to make them "louder" so people will think they sound "better". This is a real problem with modern pop/rock/country, none of which I've listened to for decades.
 
Also depends on the music. I have some Mozart on DSD, it is unquestionably superior to any other format I've had any of his work on. It's still inferior to a live performance with skilled musicians of course, especially anything with violins, but it's absolutely the closest in terms of fidelity in a recorded format I've listened to.

However, most popular music is quite compressed and produced, such that I can't actually tell the difference between most formats---I can tell between 96/128 bit and higher sure, but around 256 and above I don't think I can for most of it. However even older rock music you can tell the difference between FLAC and MP3, but I don't think I can tell between FLAC and SACD, and truth be told it's really not worth the price at that point, DSD is too expensive.

Audiophile is mostly snake oil. For accuracy for the most part once you get around $100 or so for a good DAC, you're set. Some people like tubes but that colors audio and sure you can spend a lot more with that, and I have spent well in the four figure range, but I consider it mostly wasted, I now use a simple DAC (Topping D50s) that ASR measurements looked very good for and I'm happy with.

I will say I think electrostat are the best speakers/headphones, and I've used them briefly, but the expense and maintenance is too much for that. Perhaps if I become very wealthy one day I'd splurge a bit, but I kind of doubt that will happen, those things cost in the tens of thousands from what I'd seen previously. Still, it can be quite pleasant to listen to orchestral/instrumental pieces in very high quality sometimes. Waaaay cheaper just to attend a concert though, and still better, any major city will have ample opportunities for that.
I used to own a pair of Martin-Logan electrostatic panels, each with a subwoofer, powered by a tube/MOSFET Counterpoint amplifier. Nothing I've ever heard sounds as good. As to electrostatic headphones, I've never heard a pair, but planar-magnetic headphones get as close to the sound of electrostatic speakers without the expense and trouble of electrostatic headsets.
 
Well I would argue that an additional 48dB of dynamic range is quite a logical argument for better sound quality.
And you'd be wrong... the 90 dB range of 16 bit CDs way more than covers the dynamic range of any music ever produced. Think of it this way... If you listen to music at a ridiculously loud, ear destroying 120 dB, the noise floor on a CD is still at an inaudible 30 dB. The only use for anything greater than 16 bits if for studio overdubbing purposes. 24 bit only pushes the already utterly inaudible noise floor down even further. That is the one and only difference.
 
Well I would argue that an additional 48dB of dynamic range is quite a logical argument for better sound quality.
Yes but not in the overrated way that most people imagine it to be, this makes them susceptible to confirmation bias, especially in the absence of scientifically-valid testing: ABX.

A lot boils down to good mastering, and there's 2 things to consider:
1) 24-bit depth with its larger dynamic range is perhaps more forgiving of crappy mastering
2) Companies know the power of marketing - they master 16-bit stuff crappily while giving extra tender loving care to 24-bit stuff, so that the uninitiated will pay more for... better mastering, not higher bit depth.
 
And you'd be wrong... the 90 dB range of 16 bit CDs way more than covers the dynamic range of any music ever produced. Think of it this way... If you listen to music at a ridiculously loud, ear destroying 120 dB, the noise floor on a CD is still at an inaudible 30 dB. The only use for anything greater than 16 bits if for studio overdubbing purposes. 24 bit only pushes the already utterly inaudible noise floor down even further. That is the one and only difference.
Hehe and we haven't even touched dithering (especially noise-shaped), which is also covered in the links provided in my WOT post.
 
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