Weekend Open Forum: How will Trump's presidency affect the tech world?
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Evernessince
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Most certainly did not vote for Clinton. Both choices were bad, one was worse than the other.
I'm for products being made in America even with a price increase. What I'm not for is a trade war. Too many products require complicated components that come from all over the world.
CaptainTom
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Clinton was undoubtedly a puppet of wallstreet, and the other groups she pandered to. And? At least they are Americans.
My favorite thing about people that defend Trump is that... THEY DONT. You just tried to change the subject. A true Anti-American.
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,832
You say that, but you really shouldn't mean that. With respect to certain industries, notably musical instruments, especially guitars. The price disparity can be on the order of 5 to 1 in favor in favor of Asia built guitars, and the quality is absolutely there. Americans really don't grasp the fact they're spoiled with respect to pay scale, and the rest of the world is very, very hungry for work. This is an issue which has been on for decades, actually starting with foreign workers coming to the US and taking our jobs that way, instead of the work itself being exported
You seem to take what Trump has to say at face value. I unfortunately think that's a tad naive.
For example, "Trump has the Republicans under control". But yet, he took office with only two out of seven of his cabinet posts approved.
Trumps campaign platform in its majority, was actually a very conservative, established, right wing Republican manifesto. It seems that Trump was the only "celebrity" with enough force of personality to convince America to accept it.
It stands to reason most of his party affiliates would deny they stood for what he does, but I'd be willing to bet the were rooting for him in secret.
Trump's stock in trade is bluster, and inducing outrage, to establish a position of power from which to negotiate. No single president has been able to fulfill all his ambitions from the pulpit of the White House, and I expect Trump won't get everything he wants either. "I'm going to get all American jobs back", (IMHO) will quickly morph into I'm going to get some of our jobs back, and claim a win.
What nobody seems to understand is that all great economies in human history have been built on the backs of slaves and underpaid workers. The top tier economies then live off the fruits of those workers. Which is what we're doing now.
You should, (if you don't already), watch "Madam Secretary", CBS 9:00 PM EST and watch the difference between what is being said in public, versus what the realities are behind the scenes. You wouldn't be wasting an hour, it's very close to the best program on broadcast TV today. For its sheer gravity of content and insight, it kind of makes the actual top rated show, "NCIS", look like a cartoon.
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captaincranky
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Am I to understand you're trying to claim people who voted for Trump aren't Americans"?
You need to head to Washington DC and kick over a few trash cans, it will make you feel better.
This is truly nothing more than sore loser drivel you're publishing. And again, I implore you to spare us the lunacy of it. Putin's running our country now? right. See how silly that sounds when it's played back? Now run along and watch, "TMTV", that should be more along your line (*) of interests and understanding.
(*) Or perhaps I should have worded that, "up your alley"?
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I guess you didn't get the memo, tech industry will become great again. As well as all other industries. Factories will come back and China will pay for it. Everyone's paycheck will raise, millions of jobs will be created, infrastructure will be fixed, crime will fall, terrorism will be defeated, illegal immigration will stop, taxes will be lowered for everyone, affordable healthcare will be provided to everyone, education system fixed and national debt will be eliminated! It is going to be fantastic. Donald will fix it all, just wait for it.
CaptainTom
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Hahaha wow you are making me smile a lot. Stop trying to change the argument!
Now that we have the knowledge - It is Anti-American to minimize how bad it is if in fact a foreign power worked with a candidate to get him/her elected.
P.S. About your iPhone comment - did you see China might build factories in the US themselves? So the profits will still go to China. LOL airplanes and boats aren't going to disappear. This is a global world.
BadThad
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Business in the USA will surge across the board. This is what Trump has been doing his whole life!
I don't care if I have to pay more for USA made stuff. It's worth EVERY penny to support our country. Even if foreign goods increase in price, I'm willing to pay more too. Money is no object when it comes to saving our country, it's businesses and workers.
I don't care if I have to pay more for USA made stuff. It's worth EVERY penny to support our country. Even if foreign goods increase in price, I'm willing to pay more too. Money is no object when it comes to saving our country, it's businesses and workers.
How can't you understand, it cannot be anti-american when it is your favorite candidate who benefited from the foreign power influencing the election results. Their great candidate, who they connected with so well, who openly voiced what was bothering them for so long, and who promised to address all of their concerns, giving them their country back. It doesn't matter that his buddy Vladimir who helped him win presidency is one of the least pro-american foreign players, who'd love nothing more than to see America weakened and divided.
captaincranky
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Oh, cry me a river.
Do you really think Hillary Clinton was at Donald Trump's inaugural lunch to congratulate him. More likely to try and induce guilt in him. and keep her fat a** in full public view. Her being there, more than likely help energize some protesters.
Well, China has been buying property in the US for quite some time. They would still have to hire American workers. That is unless you think they'll bring in Chinese workers on a daily basis, then take them home for the weekend. Maybe they'll commute on, "the slow boat to China"...But then I forgot, Chinese workers don't get weekends. When they want "time off", they jump out the window of a Foxconn dormitory.
See if you can get these facts straight. (I doubt you'll be able to process them, but try and give it you "best" shot).
Apple doesn't build the "iPhone", Foxconn does.
Foxconn has an all Chinese work force in excess of 100.000.
Apple is allegedly an "American" company, yet they have tax shelters worldwide, most notably in Ireland, a country with a very low corporate tax rate.
Thus, Apple's profits do go to fund our lives, .they go into (most notably) Tim Cook's pockets.
From there, it's easy to establish that every shareholder of Apple stock is, as you cal it, "un-American". I will grant that American citizens do have to pay the IRS income tax on their stock profits. That said, they don't have enormous blocks of it as do Apple execs, and hedge fund, who use every trick of law to avoid paying taxes.
So, if China builds factories in the US, at least Americans will get jobs out of it, since Foxconn isn't hiring. Plus they would be sued to bankruptcy if they were in the US, for "Scrim-a- natin". So, were the Chinese or the Russians to build factories here, US citizens would more than likely be able to buy stock in them,. Which is more than you can say for our privately held hedge funds and the like.
If we delve deeper into your "global world" theory. Everybody's "tech darling" Elon Musk just sucked billions out of the Japanese to build a "giga-factory" here in the US. So should we turn those stock profits and tax monies away, because as you say, "they're un American"?
And now the downside: I do think it's fair to say that Musk has been living off US government contracts and federal tax breaks for most of his adult life. I think that could be considered, "un-American".
His companies almost never turn a profit, thus possibly pay no US taxes, yet the stocks prices on Tesla continue to rise. No there's a real paradox for ya.I think Russia already own a chain of gas stations in the US. Oh wait, they absolutely do....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukoil
And again, I humbly beseech you to take a trip to DC, kick over a few trashcans, and proudly proclaim, "Trump's not my president".
That would relieve your loser's anger, and simultaneously get you the heck out of my hair.
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JamesSWD
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Trump's official 'Make America Great Again' caps were made in America. The knockoffs were made in third world countries. Get your facts straight.
captaincranky
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T don't think I'd go that far....'jus sayin'.
Uncle Al
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The hats I received from the campaign after making my donation clearly had the "Made in Vietnam" stickers in them, so take off the blinders and do you research!
captaincranky
Posts: 19,690 +8,832
Don't you think it's right and just that the Vietnamese should get some work from the US? After all, we did blow up most of their country, right before we bailed out and abandoned them to North Vietnam. (Although it really was China who was arming the north. Nobody really likes to talk about our first lost war).
In any event, here's a way different slant than "The Donald's", on illegals from Mexico. I often wonder if Trump has food on his table gathered by those very same "criminals, drug runners, and rapists". Here's the best version of Woodie Guthrie's "Deportee" I could possibly find..
And Wiki's page on the actual crash: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Los_Gatos_DC-3_crash
I do support Trump, (at least for the next couple of years, we'll see how it goes), but I am keeping an extra pound or so of table salt around the house, to "help make the medicine go down".
(I should mention "Deportee" was written in the 1950's. That leaves open the possibility we have a different class of immigrant these day. And why not, everything else has gone downhill)...
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commanderasus
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Trump
Unacceptance
Resistance
Disorder
TURD is a pattern of pathologically dissociative and psychotic behavior, first observed in the late hours of November 8th 2016, and increasing in severity with passing time.Sufferers of TURD often exhibit pronounced cognitive dissonance, sudden bouts of rage, rioting, and uncontrollable crying.
People with TURD are characterized by a persistent unwillingness to accept that Donald Trump is going to Make America Great Again.
TURD Is caused by the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States of America. For many, both in America and worldwide, this was a shocking and unexpected outcome; their preferred news sources having failed to inform them that the alternative candidate was a criminal parasite.Research is ongoing, but TURD appears to correlate closely with some of the following environmental and behavioral factors:* Membership in the Democratic Party* Identifying as a Feminist* Currently enrolled in college, and/or Possession of a Liberal Arts college degree* Living in a densely populated metropolitan area* Massive student debt* Spotty or non-existent work history
Patients with TURD are very resistant to treatment, and dangerous in large groups. Any possibility of treatment requires that they be separated from their hive-mind support apparatus; they cannot begin the process of accepting reality in the presence of encouragement towards delusion and irrationality.
Separation may require the assistance of law enforcement.If you have a friend or loved one suffering from TURD, urge them to seek treatment. Together we can beat this scourge, and Make America Great Again.
Unacceptance
Resistance
Disorder
TURD is a pattern of pathologically dissociative and psychotic behavior, first observed in the late hours of November 8th 2016, and increasing in severity with passing time.Sufferers of TURD often exhibit pronounced cognitive dissonance, sudden bouts of rage, rioting, and uncontrollable crying.
People with TURD are characterized by a persistent unwillingness to accept that Donald Trump is going to Make America Great Again.
TURD Is caused by the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States of America. For many, both in America and worldwide, this was a shocking and unexpected outcome; their preferred news sources having failed to inform them that the alternative candidate was a criminal parasite.Research is ongoing, but TURD appears to correlate closely with some of the following environmental and behavioral factors:* Membership in the Democratic Party* Identifying as a Feminist* Currently enrolled in college, and/or Possession of a Liberal Arts college degree* Living in a densely populated metropolitan area* Massive student debt* Spotty or non-existent work history
Patients with TURD are very resistant to treatment, and dangerous in large groups. Any possibility of treatment requires that they be separated from their hive-mind support apparatus; they cannot begin the process of accepting reality in the presence of encouragement towards delusion and irrationality.
Separation may require the assistance of law enforcement.If you have a friend or loved one suffering from TURD, urge them to seek treatment. Together we can beat this scourge, and Make America Great Again.
VitalyT
Posts: 6,848 +8,139
Finally, newsworthy: https://www.impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/
BadThad
Posts: 1,368 +1,646
You are infected with TURD! LMAO
VitalyT
Posts: 6,848 +8,139
And you must be the turd infector...
JamesSWD
Posts: 331 +184
You didn't make a donation to the Trump campaign and you didn't receive an official cap that was made in Vietnam, so stop your BS'ing. The official caps are made in the USA and this is a well documented fact.
Uncle Al
Posts: 10,222 +9,692
HAHAHAHA .... you can only wish. Time to put on your big boy pants and admit you only know how to shoot from the hip!
JamesSWD
Posts: 331 +184
And my point about you is made. Only gibberish that doesn't make any sense.
Uncle Al
Posts: 10,222 +9,692
Must have got it off the top of your head! LOL
JamesSWD
Posts: 331 +184
Shouldn't you be buying a knockoff Trump cap and taking a pic of the 'Made in Vietnam' tag, so that you can post it and pretend you were right and humiliate yourself more in front of everyone? Go do that. Now.
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