What do you all drive?

You come close to elements of the truth when you find fault with socialism and the French. Yet all the points we covered about the French and their tech savvy nature still stand as correct.

Now that your debate is not going so well it is a further error on your part to suggest personal faults like handing the hydro bill to Mom while never using standby.

You forget that Techspot.com attracts technecally aware people. We are the most likelly to be energy concious and use standby on our computers. I have a big place and lots of electronics yet my [bi-monthly] energy bill is less than $40. I doubt you can match that as I have hot water on demand. [ No cycling hot water tank] I have two micro-wave ovens and never turn on the oven and rearely turn on a burner.

It just happens we are talking about the use of *standby* and getting rid of *Microsoft NET.Framework* [in add/remove pgms], when it gets in the way and blocks the use of standby.

See: TechSpot OpenBoards > OS & Software > Windows OS
NET.Framework V1..0.3705 bars Standby

It*s nothing to lose a debate. I do often if I winged it with no back-up. One gets more out of a lost debate anyway. = TG
 
Ok......

The fact that tech-savvy people are more likely to be environmentally responsible is not what I'm actually debating.

The fact that the French may have stumbled upon a way to reduce pollution is only secondary in my motivation to enter this discussion.
I'm old, at least by the standards of many, if not most of the people on this site, so I have actually waited in gas lines.In this regard you're preaching to the choir.

What I do aim to is issue a wakeup call to the idealists, that goes like this, so f******g what if you know a way to save energy. Paris Taxis may be a better way indeed of doing the task of transporting passengers that the gas guzzlers here in the colonies.

Intellectuals may be more energy responsible than the great unwashed masses, but they have you so badly outnumbered that whatever small gains you make are doubtless wiped out by the "others".

We would have a greener planet by every one taking small positive steps in conservation than everyone sitting behind his/her computer fantasizing about the next scientific breakthrough that will cure the ills of the last 200 years of industrial stupidity.

George Bush pulled out of Kyoto. How much pollution do you think we caused by riding all over Iraq looking for WMD in 5 mile a gallon armored Hummers.
The religious right elected a Texas oilman as president of the USA, where exactly does that leave the political influence of the technology crowd.

I could go on and on listing small things that each of us could do to improve to improve our quality of life and likelyhood of survival but if you're as enlightened as you think/say you are I'd be wasting your time.

I will close this rant with a smart remark or two, (simply because it's in my nature). Green taxis wow! Paris seems like the place to be! It's got everything! Cheap wine, women with hairy armpits, filthy streets, high unemployment, an a large and growing population of Muslim extremists. Send me a postcard if you go. I'm going to stay here with the stinky taxis and guys with gunracks in their pickups.
Oh, by the way all new New York City cabs must be hybrid.
Oh, by the way, my motorcycle gets 53MPG on the highway. I guess that means that every a*****e egomaniac in a 10MPH Hummer is stealing 43MPG of potential travel opportunity from me.
 
Capt.Cranky, Now yer talking! We are fantisizing in front of the computer while we fail to communicate the gains everyone could make by using our consumer power to demand clean modern cars from auto makers.

Part of the picture: [ **Oil man as president** ]

Exxon-Mobile raked in the highest muti-billion$ profits of any corporation
Exxon-Mobile manufactures the polymer membrane for Lithium-Ion battery

Chevron bought out ownership of large format Nickel Hibrid battery patents
Panasonic had to close N.A. plant and produce back in Japan

GM formed Cobasys battery Mfng with ties to Chevron battery patents
GM deal with new nano-battery tech from A123 battery firm for new *Volt car*.

Gm all ready owns *Cobasys Battery* are they going to buy A123 and sit on that too?

You would never suspect that common shareholders in Big Auto and Big Oil are working together... eh?

Did you rent the DVD; *Who Killed the Electric Car?*?

Items mentioned above can be found on :

TonyGuitar.blogspot.com

AutoblogGreen.com

BendGovernment.blogspot.com

Hybrids are just a string-along to keep us away from;

Plug-in Electric Vehicles, TDI - Biofuel diesel vehicles, and Compressed air transport. See the J.D. Power Post at AutoblogGreen.com

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/07/17/j-d-power-hybrids-losing-popularity-to-diesels/1#c6001252

This is a good post to copy and spread the idea to more sites, the least we can do... eh? = TG
 
Okay, so this side tracked, but I felt like adding mine in, I have the daily driver, a saturn, and my weekend warrior, the 84 fullsized ford bronco
 
My baby is a Ferrari red 1984 Toyota Supra! Bought it in 1990 and still has original paint, shocks and disks!! Some people ask me if it's new! I never winter drive it and drive it properly. Lasts forever!!
 
AlMcneil, Remarkable! 1984. It must have been driven easily. Nice going considering the Ontario winters and salt.

My Jeep has served me well too, but I want to be mobile when and if refineries get blown. That means anything but gas and diesel and most hybrids are grounded without Petroleum too.

This Canadian prefers not to be caught in a fossil fuel bind. Time to think ahead. = TG
 
I'm in the back of the room, but I'm raising my hand real hard...

I assume you have a steam, coal, or geothermal powered guitar tucked away somewhere as well?
 
Yes, Captn, It*s a 12 volt pignose amp and gelcell with a solar panel. I can busker anyplace the sun shines without pluggin* in. = TG
 
TonyGuitar said:
AlMcneil, Remarkable! 1984. It must have been driven easily. Nice going considering the Ontario winters and salt.
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If you don't winter drive a car, the body lasts forever! I still rust proofed it anyway every year. I know it's overkill but it preserves the body and look!

The only downside now are parts. They are very expensive and really, you have to go through used parts dealers or autowreckers to save money. But, she's my baby and it's worth it.
 
i actually have a bike :D haha

a 1999 Kawasaki Eliminator 125cc (blue :D)

i just passed my test though so i'm allowed bigger things now ;)
 
Since 18 year old white males have horrible insurance rates, I drive a four door 1994 Saturn SL. I bought it because A) Insurance is dirt cheap for this thing, and B) It's manual tranny, which is what I wanted to learn to drive. It's so much fun; I can never go back to automatic!
 
aveo.jpg

This is what I drove for a week when I went out to Colorado. Looks kinda funny, but in all honesty it was a pretty good car. I got slightly under 38mpg in the mountains of Colorado, and I didn't drive it like a grandma.
 
i drive a 1999 BMW 323I convertible selling it for a 2006 Infiniti G35 coupe or possibly the G37
 
I still remember my Dodge Dart and Ford Escort.

The Dart was a monster, and a guzzler.

The Escort was the one I really loved. It was sad parting with it when I left the USA.
 
can't you afford a car? I like the bmw 6 series,the convertable mercedes,ferrari f430,nissan 350z and toyota celica.audi r8/le mans.
They're good and nice cars eh?
 
I debated about sharing this information but I might as well.

Due to a mistake I made last night, my truck managed to total itself. I backed into my garage and apparently didn't put it in gear (standard trans) or put the parking break on. Left the garage door opened. A few minutes later I go out to the garage and no more truck, it rolled 478 feet down a hill and hit a big ditch with a vertical wall, probably hit at 25-30mph. Completely destroyed. I think thats about all I'll say on it until insurance claim goes through.

Needless to say, I'm in the market for a small car that gets good gas mileage and isn't a hatchback (Unless its a VW GTI, but those are out of my price range).
 
I'm a Chevy Corvette freak. Own a 91 ZR1
94 white coupe.
95 red coupe, supercharged
96 green coupe, very heavily modified
Except for the 94 white coupe the cars have 6 speed manual transmissions.
All cars deliver between 28-31 mpg at 65 mph cruising speeds. This was accomplished by retuning the computers on a chassis dynomometer to achieve minimum safe air-fuel ratios up to 2200 rpms and maximum power at full throttle.
 
RED CARS
1996 Corvette
1977 Corvette w/ 400 bhp 383 cid engine - 8 MPG, so not driven often
2003 Grand Am GT SC/T - Wife's Car

GOLD CAR
1995 Honda Accord LX V6 - Daily Driver

FORMULA CARS
Formerly: Virginia Tech Formula SAE car (1992)
Current: Designing an open spec Formula car with 1000cc engine & CVT
 
actually, since i last posted here i got insured on my mum's 1.1 saxo while i'm learning :)

the insurance runs out at the end of next month so it wasn't much ;)
 
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